It's been here, and it's still here. Virtually everything in China is about face: saving it, not losing it, not making others lose it. It's learned from birth to the point that it's automatic.

But if it was dialed down massively, or even gone, what would the social impact be? Would China even be a better place without mianzi?

I'm wondering if it can be placed in some time period (e.g. Zhou? post-Confucian Han? post-Opium War or Boxing Rebellion defeat by imperialist Europe?), whether it was some native-born culture that came from a segment of the population (e.g. the aristocracy) that got adopted by the rest, or even a foreign-born culture that the rest of the Han later adopted (e.g. from the Manchu Qing).

Just to be clear, the concept of giving and saving face is definitely something that exists in many cultures. It's also something that... FWIW, people (both Chinese and foreign observers of Chinese culture) believe is a salient or unique part of (at least modern) Chinese culture). IF that's true (and that's a big if), I'm wondering if the origins for this culture (which I like to think of as a part of Chinese politeness etiquette) can be identified.

Preface

This DD is all about China and the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Apes have written a lot about US markets and western market structure, but have a blind spot for what's going on overseas. This DD aims to clean that up a bit. The connection to GME is through Evergrande and contagion. I will present a counter-SuperStonk narrative on Evergrande and back it up with the social data/information I have available. This will set off many Apes' snek senses, as apes are still learning how to handle new information that goes against the prevailing narrative. You've been warned! Read on with a skeptical eye and trust in the wrinkle brain system if you're unsure of the validity of my viewpoint. At the end of the day it's just my perspective, and might be totally wrong.

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Please note I'm just an enthusiast of Mandarin and Chinese culture. I'm some random American who learns about China for fun. I'm not a native speaker, don't have any Chinese heritage, and have never been to China. Salt grains are recommended.

Please be aware that we will be taking a critical look at the CCP. This by NO MEANS is a criticism of Chinese people or China in general. There are a lot of very harsh details in here, and some extremely harsh history. Please remember as you read these harsh realities are from the CCP and not innate qualities of Chinese people in any way. The Chinese people are a wonderful and vibrant group of diverse cultures with a rich history. They deserve the best lives the world can offer. However, the CCP warrants strong criticism, as we'll see written below.

We will first cover the context of pertinent Chinese history, key societal concepts such as "face", and build up an understanding how the Chinese real estate bubble was inevitable. We'll also dissect what the Evergrande situation looks like from our new perspective on Chinese culture and a new understanding of how the CCP works.

WTF is the Chinese Communist Party (CCP)?

The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is becoming more well known in the west, so hopefully you've heard of them by now. Still, most people (apes included) don't really know jack-shit about the CCP and it's a bit of a travesty in my opinion. Let me lay down a few quick bullet poi

I don't want to step on anybody's toes here, but the amount of non-dad jokes here in this subreddit really annoys me. First of all, dad jokes CAN be NSFW, it clearly says so in the sub rules. Secondly, it doesn't automatically make it a dad joke if it's from a conversation between you and your child. Most importantly, the jokes that your CHILDREN tell YOU are not dad jokes. The point of a dad joke is that it's so cheesy only a dad who's trying to be funny would make such a joke. That's it. They are stupid plays on words, lame puns and so on. There has to be a clever pun or wordplay for it to be considered a dad joke.

Again, to all the fellow dads, I apologise if I'm sounding too harsh. But I just needed to get it off my chest.

The doctor says it terminal.

The nurse asked the rabbit, “what is your blood type?”

“I am probably a type O” said the rabbit.

Alot of great jokes get posted here! However just because you have a joke, doesn't mean it's a dad joke.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT NSFW, THIS IS ABOUT LONG JOKES, BLONDE JOKES, SEXUAL JOKES, KNOCK KNOCK JOKES, POLITICAL JOKES, ETC BEING POSTED IN A DAD JOKE SUB

Try telling these sexual jokes that get posted here, to your kid and see how your spouse likes it.. if that goes well, Try telling one of your friends kid about your sex life being like Coca cola, first it was normal, than light and now zero , and see if the parents are OK with you telling their kid the "dad joke"

I'm not even referencing the NSFW, I'm saying Dad jokes are corny, and sometimes painful, not sexual

So check out r/jokes for all types of jokes

r/unclejokes for dirty jokes

r/3amjokes for real weird and alot of OC

r/cleandadjokes If your really sick of seeing not dad jokes in r/dadjokes

Punchline !

Edit: this is not a post about NSFW , This is about jokes, knock knock jokes, blonde jokes, political jokes etc being posted in a dad joke sub

Edit 2: don't touch the thermostat

Hello,

I'm really thinning out my collection this time! I have a lot of unique and grail pens available for sale. CONUS shipping is included in all of the prices. Please send a PM with any questions, best offers or trade offers. I'm mainly looking to sell, but I'll always at least listen to potential offers. There's a lot of grails and rare pens here, so enjoy browsing!

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Leonardo MZG - Brooks Warm Tones GT (First Release), 14K Gold EF [B] $525

• This is a beautiful Momento Zero Grande made from Brooks Warm Tones material. This one has gold trim. This is from the first release. It features a piston filling mechanism and a 14K gold extra-fine nib. I filled it once, wrote a few sentences with it, cleaned it out, and it has been sitting in my display case since. So it is in like new condition. It is an absolutely beautiful pen but I have a few other Leonardo MZG that I prefer more.
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SOLD! Leonardo MZ - Endless Pens LE, Red Marble, No Nib [D/B] $125

• This is a limited edition Momento Zero that was released by Endless Pens years ago. I believe it was their first exclusive. It is a beautiful red marbled body with gold trim. Only 100 pens were made. I originally bought this with a 14K 1.3mm stub nib but had a lot of issues with it and Endless Pens' customer service sucked. So long story short, the pen no longer has a nib unit, hence the D rating. It would need a new nib unit, which would be a Bock #6. Otherwise, the pen is in great condition. Comes with the original box, papers, and converter. A chance to grab a rare edition, if you're willing to source a new nib unit for it.
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SOLD! Leonardo MZ - Pen Chalet Exclusive Brooks PM4, Broad Steel Nib [B] $250

• This was a limited edition pen released by Pen Chalet earlier in the year (if I remember correctly). The barrel is made with Brooks PM4 material and the cap, blind cap, and section are made of black plastic. The trims are rose gold and the nib is a steel broad. It truly is a striking combo. The Brooks material is really nice on this one. Only 13 of these were made and they went fast! I tried to show it in a video clip (please pardon the shaky hand

Do your worst!

How the hell am I suppose to know when it’s raining in Sweden?

Mathematical puns makes me number

We told her she can lean on us for support. Although, we are going to have to change her driver's license, her height is going down by a foot. I don't want to go too far out on a limb here but it better not be a hack job.

Ants don’t even have the concept fathers, let alone a good dad joke. Keep r/ants out of my r/dadjokes.

But no, seriously. I understand rule 7 is great to have intelligent discussion, but sometimes it feels like 1 in 10 posts here is someone getting upset about the jokes on this sub. Let the mods deal with it, they regulate the sub.

They were cooked in Greece.

I'm surprised it hasn't decade.

He lost May

Now that I listen to albums, I hardly ever leave the house.

Don't you know a good pun is its own reword?

Two muffins are in an oven, one muffin looks at the other and says "is it just me, or is it hot in here?"

Then the other muffin says "AHH, TALKING MUFFIN!!!"

For context I'm a Refuse Driver (Garbage man) & today I was on food waste. After I'd tipped I was checking the wagon for any defects when I spotted a lone pea balanced on the lifts.

I said "hey look, an escaPEA"

No one near me but it didn't half make me laugh for a good hour or so!

Edit: I can't believe how much this has blown up. Thank you everyone I've had a blast reading through the replies 😂

It really does, I swear!

And now I’m cannelloni

Because she wanted to see the task manager.

And boy are my arms legs.

But that’s comparing apples to oranges

Put it on my bill

Heard they've been doing some shady business.

but then I remembered it was ground this morning.

Edit: Thank you guys for the awards, they're much nicer than the cardboard sleeve I've been using and reassures me that my jokes aren't stale

Edit 2: I have already been made aware that Men In Black 3 has told a version of this joke before. If the joke is not new to you, please enjoy any of the single origin puns in the comments

Amy

They’re on standbi

BamBOO!

A play on words.

Calcium, nickel, neon

My daughter, Chewbecca, not so much.

Pilot on me!!

Hello,

I'm continuing to thin out my collection. CONUS shipping is included in all of the prices. Please send a PM with any questions or trade offers. I'm mainly looking to sell, but I'll always at least listen to potential offers. There's a lot of grails and rare pens here, so enjoy browsing!

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Leonardo MZG - Brooks Warm Tones GT (First Release), 14K Gold EF [B] $515

• This is a beautiful Momento Zero Grande made from Brooks Warm Tones material. This one has gold trim. This is from the first release. It features a piston filling mechanism and a 14K gold extra-fine nib. I filled it once, wrote a few sentences with it, cleaned it out, and it has been sitting in my display case since. So it is in like new condition. It is an absolutely beautiful pen but I have a few other Leonardo MZG that I prefer more.
• Gallery: https://photos.app.goo.gl/smSHtBhwPkF1zU6KA

Diplomat A2 Excellence - Red, 14K Fine [B] $185

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• Gallery: https://imgur.com/a/zB2Finv

Diplomat A2 Excellence - Brown, Steel Fine [A1] $150

• This is a beautiful pen by Diplomat. It features a brown lacquer with a subtle sparkle to it. It has a satisfying and convenient snap cap and the nib is a two-tone steel fine. The pen was never inked , only temporarily taken out of the box and then returned to it. It comes with the box and original converter. MSRP is $250, tends to retail for around $200.
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Stipula Etruria - Ambrosia, 18K Gold Medium Nib [B] $575

• Here is a grail for you all. It is a Stipula Etruria in the rare and sought after Ambrosia finish. It features plain celluloid with red specks throughout. It is quite a unique and interesting celluloid. It is a piston filler with a two-tone 18K gold medium nib. The trims are all sterling silver. Over