Zabel Puns

WTF. That whole scene is such a cock up, like the minute they saw the cigarettes and the pipe going ape shit he should have drawn his gun. Also, bar guy just happens to be freaking quick draw mcgraw?!!!! Direct shot to the head!! I literally just finished the episode and am in a bit of a rage lol. I literally just thought "hmm I kind of like Zabel." Argh.

Voyager II’s Saturn flyby happened 40 years ago this week. Carl Sagan that night did a "live" TV program about it, and afterwards, then-TV-journalist turned 'Dark Skies' producer Bryce Zabel walked him out to his car and struck up a conversation ... about UFOs. I loved reading this one, a little snapshot of cultural history.

https://medium.com/on-the-trail-of-the-saucers/carl-sagan-ufo-voyager-91372c0c0553?sk=c9aeff118515d7084b6c914a0e180b85

Are we supposed to believe that a police officer that has consistently shown to skirt the rules doesn’t bring a personal firearm, regardless of her service weapon being taken away, to search for a potential killer?

You’ve already been taken off the case and told to steer clear but you have the gall to look at Zabel and say “no gun”?

That’s the one thing I couldn’t understand.

Round of applause to Evan Peters who did a phenomenal job portraying Colin Zabel. He had great chemistry with the cast and you could tell he had a lot of fun with the show. He'll be missed!

His story sounded suspect, however he said he solved the case from going over files and continually interviewing suspects and witnesses and seeing who’s stories have changed. So far I’ve noticed, and there are probably more….

1. Frank’s story has changed. First he barely knew Erin. Then he was giving her rides home and buying her stuff.

2. Dylan’s story changed before and after the video of the fight.

3. Deacon Mark said he didn’t see Erin but he had her bike so……

4. Erin’s father said he was home all effing night the night of the murder but the montage shows him coming home early that morning so…..

Like most of ya probably, I felt pretty bad for Zabel, and esp. his mom.

So it was a little disappointing to me that they ended that thread with his mom slapping Mare and still being unforgiving. It made sense of course, but I wish they could have come back to give her character a little closure.

I really expected there would be at least one more brief scene with one of the kidnapping victims, maybe at Zabel’s funeral, maybe with Kate Bailey, her mom or her daughter or the other victim, at least thanking Zabel’s mom and letting her know her son didn’t die for nothing but helped to save their lives.

Just my 2 cents.

Spoilers spoilers spoilers.

I've been thinking about Mare and Zabel and what might have happened between them if he had lived. I do think their story concluded in a really devastating but beautifully written way, but I also like to think about the what-ifs.

I have seen quite a few people refer to them as "perfect for each other," insist he was in love with her, etc., and as much as I enjoyed their dynamic and thought they ultimately made each other better people, I don't think I quite agree with that assessment.

As sweet as Zabel was and as much as most of us were rooting for him, I don't think that was love. It was more of an infatuation brought on by a big breakup and a major professional fumble. I think Mare, who in every way was a representation of the detective he wanted to be, would've brought some short-term comfort through a very casual relationship that someone like Zabel might have mistaken for love, but ultimately he would have to realize their lives don't quite fit together.

And for Mare, after he confided in her about not solving his case, something obviously shifted for her. But I think it was more about Zabel no longer trying to put on a show for her, and getting to see some of his flaws surface was what ultimately made her at least start to open herself up to the possibility. (Part of me almost thinks she knew he was lying about his case and was just waiting to see if he'd ever tell her – with his clear inexperience and evasiveness whenever she brought it up, I wouldn't be surprised if she'd come to that conclusion, or at least thought something was off.)

Anyway, I think the choice of including the VO of Kevin's tapes during the last minute or so of episode 5 was a pretty clear indication that, for Mare, her failures as the more experienced partner mirrored her failures (or what she considered failures) as a mother. I could see her giving Zabel a shot, but I think to her he'd always be, as I believe Vanity Fair put it, "a kid who needed to be protected."

If we saw more of their relationship, I think in the end they'd have mutual respect and affection for each other but ultimately leave it at that after some unsuccessful attempts at testing out their compatibility. I am pretty anti-season 2 because I do think everything ended perfectly, but in this what-could-have-been scenario, it would have been fun to see them navigate that and watch how their professional relationship developed as a result.

Anyway, thanks for coming to my TE

According to the preview at the end of episode 4, we see Zabel and Mare enter a house together where there are many Winston cigarette butts (supposedly the kind the kidnapper smokes according to the girl in the same preview), and Zabel has his gun in his holster. We know Mare turned hers in to the Chief when she was put on leave, so she would supposedly be unarmed in that situation. The scene cuts to Mare (presumably in the same house) with a bloody left hand and a gun in her right hand. Where is Zabel and why does she have a gun? Wild speculation on my part, but if they kill him off I will be soooooo upset.

Something hit me with Zabel’s bit about the drunk PI finding a suspect with a bad alibi. I think this is going to be the exact way Mare solves Erin’s murder - re-examining those alibis.

Whose is weak? Who but John Ross, who if I remember correctly simply showed Mare a (non-time stamped from the look of it) photo of Frank passed out claiming they were drunk at the time. I think Ryan is holding onto a secret about something more than his dad’s infidelity (also the weird scenes with Ryan staring too long at the news story about Erin, and looking anxious when John/Lori talk about adopting DJ).

Mare’s gonna get her drunk washed up PI on and hear something from Lori, Frank or Ryan that makes her remember Zabel’s words and re-examine those alibis.

So, from the ending of episode 5, we are made to assume that Zabel is dead. But IMBd lists him for 6 episodes… and he wasn’t even in episode 1. So that would mean we see more of him in the future, whether he is (somehow???) alive, or overpass in the form of flashbacks… right???

it really was his fault ! Hear me out -

>!When they are in the guys house, he's extremely suspicious to begin with, and then start hearing the pipes clanking, and it keeps on increasing, its pretty obvious its because of some other person - you can see it in Mare's face. At this point any cop would draw their gun. Esp after Mare points out she's unarmed. I think its Zabel's fault - he's just not a good cop and his has been shown many times. All he had to do was get his gun out on the guy as soon as he came back into the room.!<

I feel like we will learn something about him down the road. Or who knows. He could just be a lost young man.

The writer dude definitely seems sketch, tho. He keeps asking Mare about her daughter in law.

Despite the fact that she saved two kids, has to deal with a suicide and separation... I never really rooted for mare. Her obsession with the case, reluctance to share it with county, arrogance to continue working even when she was technically on leave, the way she went on a non sensical “date” with zabel to talk about work... I can't really like her..

I was relieved when she got slapped by labels mother.

Why was she going door to door for a case she was supposed to be on leave for

Why didn't she cover him? Why didn't they call for backup before entering? It would of made more sense for a house that large (dual sides). You are looking for a kidnapper and except it to be peaceful entry?

Even her relationship with Richard was so flaky/noncomittal at first.

Does this chick have feelings? She has no soul sometimes

I was pissed when she convicted Ryan cause sometimes family is all you have. They already had a false confession from the other Ross.

Why couldn't she let the last Ross slide under the radar and keep things a secret. It pisses me off .

Bear with me. I've been thinking of Mare of Easttown as a fundamentally femanist narrative (I think Mare is like French "mere", Mother of Easttown - not my idea, see a previous post of mine).

I think Zabel represents men taking credit for women's work, given that the sister of the PI handed Zabel the solution to the previous case.

Reasonable? Thoughts?

Voyager II’s Saturn flyby happened 40 years ago this week. Carl Sagan that night did a "live" TV program about it, and afterwards, then-TV-journalist turned 'Dark Skies' producer Bryce Zabel walked him out to his car and struck up a conversation ... about UFOs. I loved reading this one, a little snapshot of cultural history.

https://medium.com/on-the-trail-of-the-saucers/carl-sagan-ufo-voyager-91372c0c0553?sk=c9aeff118515d7084b6c914a0e180b85