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Is there an idea to take early game to work down to prevent the Dutch revolt?
The Dutch Revolt mechanic is pretty stupid, not the revolt just the mechanic, since:
- 90% Netherlands declares independence after 1-3 months
- The independence war doesnt allow to reclaim all the lowlands or vassalise them, despote defeating them 3 The mechanic og stopping the revolt by changing your capital is pretty silly, a better mechanic would be to check for primary culture instead
- The Netherlands auto-join the HRE which it shouldnt IMO
- Post independence the AE is insane which is pretty dumb seeing as the lowlands were part of your nation a month before
From what I gather it can't trigger past 1650. Am I safe to line up my annexation of Holland and Brabant to occur at that time?
As I mentioned, I can NOT avoid the disaster by moving my capitol.
Thank you!
I had a five of six games now where Austria inherited Burgundy whilst being their neighbour. And a couple of times I was waiting for the Dutch revolt to happen in order to take advantage of the situation. I do not think I have seen any Dutch revolt in the current patch, can anyone confirm if the Dutch revolt is still a thing that happens.
Austria doesn't move it's capital to the Low Lands, they do move their main trade port but that shouldn't change anything.
If the Dutch Rebels managed to also keep the revolting cities in Flanders like Antwerp and Brussels, how strong internationally would the Dutch republic have become? Would it also have changed the internal power dynamics of the Dutch republic significantly? Are there cultural consequences? Would Belgium even become independent?
In my current France game I've gotten Burgundy as a lesser partner of a Personal Union through the Burgundian Inheritance event, and im currently in the process of manually integrating them so I can continue my mission tree. I'm well aware of the Dutch Revolts that can trigger in 1550 and I'd like to avoid that headache.
What are my options for going around it? The Wiki article doesn't have any direct advice. For example, theres "has any provinces with the Dutch culture while not accepting it." (and an identical one for Frisian and Flemish). If I understood it correctly, Accepting their culture would make the revolts not trigger as there isnt anything to tick the disaster. Can anyone confirm that or has any other advice?
In a recent issue of The Economist (July 24th, page 65) I read: "In 1785 captives placed aboard the Dutch ship Neptunus rebelled and lit the gunpowder in its hold..."
Google returned few useful results. The existence of several British ships named Neptune did not help. I confirmed that the ship existed, sometimes referred to as "De Neptunus."
As of the revolt itself, I saw what might be references to the event in academic papers, but these are all behind a paywall of some sort.
Question time, I guess. Did it really happen? If it did, what exactly happened and/or where can I read more?
Thanks!
Title says it all, really not seeing the Dutch revolt happen at all during my games recently anyone else feel the same ?
I'm playing aus burgundy und the Dutch revolt has happened. I am winning the war, but the option to vassalize them can't be taken because gelre joined the Republik and now the war cost would be above 100% Does a white peacy make them rejoin my country as to reestablish status quo or do I lose those regions?
In the past I've just converted culture, but I wonder if there is a better way.
I am playing as Great Britain, got Burgundian Inheritance via the pu I got over France on the Surrender of The Maine Event. Duchess Of Burgundy dies, I inherit Burgundy, then the Dutch Revolt disaster starts.
So they revolt, I move my units there, and beat them right? The month hasn't finished. I clearly beat them, no rebels, but they declare independence after only 1 month!? This is getting on my nerves.
I'm playing as Netherlands and Castile has most of the Low Counties. I can take them with France and Great Britain as my allies but those provinces have high cost and incur some serious AE making it a multi war maneuver. Protestant Reformation has spread across Europe but I see no Dutch rebels which one would normally see in Austrian/Spanish Netherlands from reformation until 1648.
Do the Dutch Revolts happen only if Netherlands does not exist?
France is my favorite nation to play and in the past when the Ditch revolt trigger, I just crush them and take back all the land, withstanding some AE, usually 4 or so provinces. This time I managed to take a very decent amount of land before the disaster, so when it triggers, even when I get 100 warscore, I cannot take back all the land, nor vassalizing it because the Netherland is too big. The rest just went independent even when I crush them :( I always thought they would at least be my vassal if I dont lose. So how should I deal with this disaster? Moving capital is not an option.
Was having a pretty great game as Burgundy. I only play ironman. Just passed my 1000th hour in the game, the disaster fired. I had it happen before when I was Austria and I just had to keep putting down rebels for like twenty years. Thought it was no big deal.
Send my army up toward Holland. Rebels take ONE settlement and the next thing I know I lost the whole Netherlands as it declares independence. Allied France and England immediately. Thankfully just truced England so they couldn't do anything. My allies rallied. We absolutely crushed France. Took a province from them and lots of money and made them release Bourboinais.
Got to 100% war score with Netherland--no peace options except like a regular war. Worse still, I no longer had claims on any of their territory. I only took 3 provinces back, made them break their treaties and STILL got a small coalition forming against me. They also took my COR with them. My main trade port had been Amsterdam. F'd up my trade, too.
Now I'm waiting for like 15 years for this damn truce to expire so I can probably take back like ONE province without getting the whole HRE up my ass.
Why is their no option to make them give up their independence in an independence war?????
Is this a bug? A horribly annoying historical flair? What the actual hell.
I was playing as France and inherited some of the low countries from Burgundy and then conquered the reset of the low countries. However, in 1590's I got the Dutch revolt which popped out the Netherlands. The game said it was an independence war so I thought that I would get them as a vassal if I win which wasn't a problem as I have cores on all it's land. But nothing happens after war ends except for an independent Netherlands. Even if I try to reconquer all the provinces I still get 150 ae for cored land by the way. By the way I'm playing iron man so I can't just cheat, trust I would.
If anyone knows what I can do to get all my land back without getting a lot of AE please tell me.
I’m paying burgundy and the Netherlands spawned, is there a way to get those provinces back without slowly eating them and pissing off all of Europe? An event after I occupy them, a decision etc?
I got the BI with all the low countries as France rather late, and they are now experiencing the dutch revolt i think (there are so many rebels I have to put down)
Is it stille possible to inherit Burgundy now, even if they are in the middle of a disaster?
It's 1488, as a Protestant Brandenburg I've inherited Burgundy... Yea this is a weird game. And right away Dutch Revolt started ticking, I have one year before it starts. What do I do? I don't mind releasing Netherlands as a vassal, I even would like it this way, but there's no such outcome in event chain. Also would be great if they could be Protestant.
Also whole Burgundian land is such a mess now, because I can't even state it as I don't have gov cap, I can't upgrade to Kingdom because I have low prestige after converting to Protestantism. But in the long run I'd like to stay everything there and to convert to Prussian culture.
Wow, I destroyed most of the forts but they still take quite a lot of ducats, and I don't really get anything from that great land since it's in territories and another culture group.
Is revolting to SA as Dutch a viable strategy in TR 40? For those that do not know, you can make 30 courier des bois after sending a card. You can also get a 3rd factory. The best part is you can send a card infinite times that gives your units 5% more health. The longer the game, the more powerful SA gets.
With an 80 vill economy, 7 upgraded banks, 3 factories, and an infinite hp card makes this revolt tempting instead of going to imperial age. The only thing im missing is 2 extra banks, the capitol food card, and imperial unit upgrades.
Playing as France, and from what I can tell, after the initial two 20-24k stacks that spawn, the rebels that spawn afterwards are only 8k and are easily dealt with. I mean there are there ending conditions and one of them is just to have had the disaster for 20 years and make sure your stab is 1 with no rebel controlled provinces. Sure 20 years is a lot and the stab cost modifier is super annoying, but honestly it isn’t too bad (at least for me). It fired super early and I could end the event before the 1550s meaning that I have a large window of time to feed my vassals and just chill out and recover whatever manpower problems I have and get colonialism, and my ideas and techs.
Edit: I almost forgot to mention it also has another near benefit, it completely prevents the Wars of religion disaster from firing, which means that I have this free time to convert my newly inherited provinces to Protestant, making me even more money
I'm playing a game as Burgundy right now and just had the Dutch revolt end after 20 years. I didn't realize that the Netherlands would declare independence if I had 5 provinces with 90% autonomy with Dutch culture, so I expelled Dutch minorities to my colonies in NA and the second my fifth colony began the event popped. So now, the Netherlands are free (even though my colonies aren't lol). I've easily crushed them in a war because they didn't get any allies, but the war doesn't have any special option to re-annex the Netherlands. Now I have to retake the provinces manually which I can't even do in one war and the AE is going to be insane.
Am I just fucked? Am I going to have to deal with recoring everything and dealing with separatists in some of my most developed, core land because of the way this dumb event works? I guess I was an idiot for expelling the minorities but it's not like there's anything in-game that tells you anything about this before it happens. Is there some hidden event or peace deal or something that isn't on the wiki? This really seems like an oversight and bad design for this event chain.
Hi! So, I was playing as Burgundy, and in 1550, the dutch revolt disaster begins ticking. Alright, that's fine, I can handle it.
Wait 1 year- Cue the Dutch Revolt disaster firing. Alright, no big deal. I prepare to move my armies in place to deal with the stacks before I accept the event
Here's where things get weird though: Within 1 day, before I've even accepted the "dutch revolt begins" event, the "dutch revolt ends" event fires (mind you, before a single rebel stack even appears), and then within the same day, the Netherlands forms & declares independence against me!
Obviously, this isn't how it's supposed to go. You're supposed to have a chance to deal with the rebels, like any other separatist movement. Has anybody else had this problem?
So can you just avoid the Dutch Revolt event by accepting Dutch culture now? It's 1510 and the revolt isn't happening. I'm playing as Burgundy and accepted Dutch culture after taking the Great Privilege during the succession crisis event. Just wondering for future games.
I managed to inherit Burgundy in 1510s and due to being at a truce with Austria, I couldn’t remove the provinces from the HRE to move my capital there to prevent the Dutch Revolt. All I really have to do is wait, but the sound of spending 600+ diplo points to convert the 4 provinces I need to get It to 5 to stop the Dutch revolt doesn’t sound very appealing ha. Is there any other way to just end the disaster altogether?
