Annabelle, the shootout, the snow globe, Citizen Kane, Xanadu, Patricia Hearst and Linda Blair?

Warning: long post incoming and spoilers for episode 9

Alright, so now that I’ve had time to unpack everything that happened in episode 9, here’s how I think the Annabelle/Kate/Martin plot line will wrap next week. I’m basing this on a few things: what we’ve seen so far, what the episode 10 preview suggests, what connections I’ve drawn to real life and other media, and what makes sense as an earned, satisfying conclusion. They haven’t released the additional promo material for episode 10 yet, so things could change later today/tomorrow once I’ve seen those. Thus far, I’ve been able to predict the episodes pretty well once I have all the promos in front of me.

The big question that’s been on everyone’s mind is β€œwho is Annabelle?” and based on the fact that they’re saving it for the finale, the reveal is going to be big. But we also know that episode 10 has some serious work to do in order to wrap all of the current plot lines in a satisfactory way. It begs the question β€œdo we have time for a third party to be introduced to Martin and Kate’s bubble?” Whether that’s a new character or an existing character who’s revealed to be Annabelle, I can’t imagine the circumstances that would allow for them to get the screen time needed for a satisfying payoff. Especially when we need to see so many other plot lines conclude. It also competes with Kate’s quote saying β€œthe other person didn’t make it out alive”. That implies that a third party was not present.

We know there’s a shootout based on the news clip, and although it’s assumed police are involved, so far it hasn’t been explicitly stated that Martin was shot by them. We also know that trying to remember Annabelle sends Kate into a panic attack, which suggests Annabelle’s introduction was and still is traumatic to her.

Seemingly unrelated, the snow globe is introduced in this episode. So far, we know it links both Kate and Jeanette to Martin’s house on Christmas Eve. What’s really significant here is that Jeanette entered the house when she knew Martin was out. Knowing that Kate played with the snow globe while leaving the voicemail is huge - it tells Jeanette that Kate was freely walking around the house with telephone access while Martin was out. It removes her culpability completely. She did not see Kate, I’m fairly certain, but even if she had, Kate cannot make the argument that Jeanette had more responsibility than herself to get her out of that situation. Her therapist explains this perfectly when s

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The indescribably weird ending to "Xanadu", the Citizen Kane of rollerdisco movies. A shameless, failed attempt to cash in on the late 70's nostalgia craze, and the only movie Gene Kelly ever regretting making. It's got mimes, kung fu, new wave punks, and more. (1980) youtu.be/xXHl4H1xfiI
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TIL Taylor Swift shot her 2014 Blank Space music video at "Xanadu" from Citizen Kane onlocationvacations.com/2…
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Oheka, Citizen Kane's stand-in for Xanadu, and the second-largest house ever built in the United States (after Biltmore). Built for Otto Hermann Kahn. Delano and Aldrich, 1919. Source: abcnews.go.com [1600x1067]
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In The Emperor's New Groove (2000) the cut-away to the chimp with the bug, is a subtle reference to one of the opening shots of the film Citizen Kane (1941). During the opening montage of the Xanadu Estate, there is a similar shot of a pair of monkeys eating bugs. youtu.be/Fv-sKP17xTw
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TIL Bill Gates's 66,000-square-foot mansion is nicknamed "Xanadu 2.0" after the character estate in Citizen Kane. seattle.curbed.com/2017/2…
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Oheka, Citizen Kane's stand-in for Xanadu, and the second-largest house ever built in the United States (after Biltmore). Built for Otto Hermann Kahn. Delano and Aldrich, 1919. Source: abcnews.go.com [1600x1067]
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A question on Citizen Kane

Firstly this is going to have some spoilers but I wanted to ask the question as it seems like an interesting topic to theorize and discuss. Throughout the film, we are told about who Kane was through the eyes of different people, who all had different ideas of who he was: ex. Jedidiah Leland thought he was an idealist who became what he was against while Bernstein thought of him as a genius and was always loyal to him. Even though we are given all of these perspectives, there is something that I don’t believe is ever mentioned within the film. The question being what caused Charles Foster Kane to die? It is never mentioned within the film (whether the news of the March news real to any account by the butler or nurse), at least to my knowledge, about how he died, just that he did in his room at Xanadu and his last words were rosebud. So that leaves the question of how did he die and what might of caused him to be killed?(was it suicide or old age or anything else that could be thought of, just wanted to know what could be thought of why that may be)

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Americans of Reddit - except for the Godfather(s) and Citizen Kane, what's the first movie that comes to your mind when you think, "One of the greatest films of all time"?

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Citizen Kane on 4K UHD: The upgrade marks a turning point for the format. slate.com/culture/2022/01…
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I had a little bit too much time on my hands to make my Citizen Kane Blu Ray Proof of Destruction v.redd.it/7270ts02nv981
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If a movie were to replace Citizen Kane as the β€˜Greatest Film’, what would it be?

Looking over AFI’s list of the top 100 movies you should see, it’s crazy to think Citizen Kane has been number 1 for as long as it has. The movie certainly was ground breaking, but there has been a lot of improvement in film-making over the last 80 years. It seems like Citizen Kane is still just number 1 because it always has been.

If you were to redo AFI’s list, what movie would you put at number 1 and why?

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I just wanted to give some credit to Geico, some of their commercials seem like β€œCitizen Kane” compared to all other insurance company ads. I know it’s old, but I genuinely enjoy this caveman one with the Royksopp song.
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TIL William Randolph Hearst's attempts to stifle Citizen Kane included banning any advertising, reviewing, or mentioning it in his papers, having theaters ban the film, accusing Welles of being a communist, and a Hearst underling allegedly hid a 14 year old girl in Welles' hotel room closet. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cit…
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Films with Citizen Kane like endings?

What I mean by that is the final shot of the film revealing the answer to a mystery within the plot of the story (or the whole story itself).

There must be other instances of this being used in film, I just don't remember any.

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What do you consider the β€œCitizen Kane” of Bollywood?

So I’m new to Indian cinema, and I’m looking for a strong start to Bollywood. The first Baahubali was a good way to start with Tollywood/Kollywood (Netflix US has the Tamil but not Telugu version), don’t get me wrong, but I’m looking for something more. I would like to know what you consider the β€œCitizen Kane” of Bollywood.

For reference, here in the US, film nerds basically consider Citizen Kane the greatest movie of all time. Despite being a box office failure, it won massive success from critics, who spread the word, and since then, it’s reputation speaks for itself. It pioneered several techniques that are still used in this day and age among what other movies had at the time. Not to mention the strong writing that served as a commentary about news media of the time. It’s bound to get to the top 5 of lists of the greatest movies of all time. I did not do as good of a job explaining it as others.

My request of you is simple on paper: what movies can claim that title for Bollywood? (I’ll ask the question for Tollywood, Kollywood and Mollywood next morning my time)

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Greetings from Tokyo, and happy new year. I hope that you all have a prosperous and happy 2022. We leave 2021 behind with so many Criterion events, one of which being the return of Citizen Kane to the collection. Please let me share a photo of some past CC laserdisc releases of that title. Cheers.
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Jerry's girlfriend claims to be a movie buff but has not seen Forrest Gump, The Godfather, or Citizen Kane. George's girlfriend moans in bed at everything, making him question whether his pleasuring her is real. Kramer collects modern beer cans in hopes they will someday be antiques and worth money
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Do you think it's fair to say 2001 is the greatest film in history and a landmark of filmmaking, ahead of Citizen Kane, the Godfather, Casablanca and Gone with the Wind? Perhaps level with Vertigo?

Do you think it's fair to say 2001 is the greatest film in history and a landmark of filmmaking, ahead of Citizen Kane, the Godfather, Casablanca and Gone with the Wind? Perhaps level with Vertigo?

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Favorite post Citizen Kane Orson Welles movie?

Recently have been going through all his movies and I love so much of what he did. A shame he mostly gets remembered for Kane only, even though he had a very versatile and interesting career and made many great movies.

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Hello dear Redditors. It is I, Orson Welles, director of Citizen Kane. With great pleasure, I am doing an AMA. Let the questions begin.
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Citizen Kane - 4K UltraHD Collector's Edition (2021) from Zavvi reddit.com/gallery/s0hfgf
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Criterion's response to the Citizen Kane Blu-ray issue:
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The Truth Behind The Blackbird; Scientology meets Citizen Kane *Another long theory

So we have a little piece of new information and I've been speculating the meaning. Every detail has a meaning, and this is no exception. The first pre order for The Phantom Tomorrow comic book dropped and it has revealed some plot details. We learn that the Blackbird was once a scientist named Dennis Kane, an intellect with a massive ego who causes the collapse of society. This leads to the birth of the Blackbird, a mysterious figure caught between life and death.we don't know what exactly caused this, but there are a few things to note about this.

Dennis is Andy's middle name, so we might assume that this character is written from Andy’s point of view as someone caught in between two worlds. We have another theme of death and rebirth. The Blackbird is caught in between, however. Unable to return to the world of the living, which is what Scientologists believe would happen, and unable to die and achieve closure like Andy wants. He has to stand by and watch the way that his creation has damaged the world. This could be compared to how Andy has had negative feelings about his band and potentially a guilt for passively promoting Scientology and turning a blind eye.

Our lead character is a scientist with a big ego. This could be a reference to L Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology who was a Science fiction author with an ego so large he started a religion that he believed would save humanity. His followers believe that he never died, just simply dropped his body and is traveling the universe to find new technology. They are constantly awaiting his return.

In my opinion, this story line seems to compare Andy’s experience to Hubbard. Through his band, he built up a level of loyalty from a dedicated fanbase. Considering a lot of current fans found them after W&D came out, a lot of the songs that gained him fans were passively promoting Scientology, with the truth staying hidden from the public. Now Andy has to deal with the consequence of his involvement. I was theorizing that the Blackbird might exist as a vessel for Andy to gain redemption, so I can’t say any of this surprises me. I just hope that what we hear about through TPT is reflective of real life.

Something else I find interesting is that they chose the last name Kane. I believe that this is a reference to the film Citizen Kane. The film follows the character of Charles Foster Kane, a cold and detached newspaper mogul and explores the themes of a childhood lost and the consequences of hi

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Is Criterion still doing that thing where if you break one of your discs and send them a pic they'll replace it? I saw someone do it with Citizen Kane a week ago
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Mega64 Podcast 631 - Is The Mega64 Movie as Good Or Better Than Citizen Kane? youtu.be/0OEBW_-oT40
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just got done watching this great transfer of β€˜Citizen Kane’ by Criterion. Not so great packaging, though…
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At the beginning of 2021 I had around 5-6 criterion’s MAX… the collection has grown a ton. Only one not pictured is Citizen Kane because I’m doing the disc replacement.
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Update from Barnes and Noble about the Citizen Kane Blu-ray disc
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Question about Citizen Kane 4k

Does anyone know if this version of Citizen Kane is the same as Criterion used, or if it's worth picking up?

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And just like that….the films look like Citizen Kane

Okay, first off, where do these asshole writers get the temerity to think anyone wants to see SJP attempting actual human drama and emotions? This is a show about fashion, stupid cocktails and sassy one liners about uncircumcised dicks. This is not a show about character depth or a mediation on grief. These jerk offs are acting like it’s the Three Colours trilogy. GTFO with that shit.

Miranda….Jesus wept…. I’ll bet the house that by episode 4 Miranda is a functional alcoholic experimenting with lesbianism, which is totally okay because they’ve rewritten Steve to be Mr Magoo. It’s unreal how bad they’ve screwed this up.

And now she’s meant to be a goofy-ass Karen as well?? Please. This woman was getting her back blown out by Blair Underwood in the early aughts.

well Carrie still dresses like Stevie Wonder is her personal stylist, so thank God there’s a little consistency.

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A big heads-up on the upcoming Citizen Kane release

According to DVD Beaver's review on the Criterion release there's an error on the Blu-ray Disc in which the brightness on the transfer goes very dark nearly 30 minutes into the film and it remains that way for the entire film (see the screenshots on the review for proof). However the error DOES NOT reappear on the 4K disc, so if you're watching the film on 4K you should be good. If you want a replacement disc for the Blu-ray Disc with the correct brightness I'd advise you go email mulvaney@criterion.com for that request.

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How to Get Your Citizen Kane Blu⁠-⁠ray Disc 1 Replaced - No Return Necessary
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My Simpsons inspired Citizen Kane proof of destruction reddit.com/gallery/ryd2uf
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Heads Up… Citizen Kane

Got the 4K Dolby Vision bump recently. I was pleasantly surprised to see it show up in my 4K list, and after double checking everything, it’s legit.

There was a lot of doubt about it since Criterion was putting out the 4K disc, but Apple got it for us.

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Citizen Kane Packaging is Live on Criterion Website (I know a lot of people were wondering about it, not sure if this has already been posted)
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In Season 11, Episode 3, Lisa says there's no cane in Citizen Kane, when one is CLEARLY visible in the party scene. Are we to believe this is some kind of magic cane? Boy, I really hope someone got fired for that blunder!
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In response to a tweet about the Citizen Kane blu-ray issue. Lol.
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Was there a deadline for destroying the Citizen Kane disc and have people received their replacements yet?
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There'll be no Citizen Kane then. I'll tell William Randolph Hearst.
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The Criterion Collection Just Entered a New Era: Citizen Kane on 4K UHD marks a turning point for the format. slate.com/culture/2022/01…
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Citizen Kane is culturally insignificant because I personally cannot quote a single line of dialogue of it
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My cat, Orson, inspecting the new edition of Citizen Kane.
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