CMV: Supposing that the "ticking time bomb" scenario is real, torturing terrorists is ethical

I will start off by saying that I don't actually believe the ticking time bomb scenario accurately describes the real situation.

However, I think that torture, used to gain vital information and save innocent lives, could be ethical, provided that there was no reasonable doubt of the person's guilt, and that torture in general had been proven to actually be effective. Once again, I don’t really think this is how real situation is, but I’m not necessarily talking about reality. I'm saying that we could consider torture to be ethical in a hypothetical situation which actually matched what supporters of torture believe exists.

I don't understand the logic some of the opponents use. People constantly talk about how using torture is "not who we are" and is something of which only our enemies should be capable. They fail to take situational ethics into consideration, acting like using torture against an evil person to achieve a moral purpose is the same as torturing some random person who hasn't committed any crime, and is not morally superior to blowing up a building to advance your religion. What if we applied the same logic to simply killing terrorists? To doing anything not normally considered ethical? In an extreme situation, extreme measures can ethically be taken.

Life does not ask what we want, it presents us with choices. We must choose the best option from among the ones which are presented to us, not hold on to principles that we have formed some kind of predetermined notion should never be compromised. How would torturing an incredibly evil person to save innocent lives make the world a worse place? How does that decrease the overall happiness of the human race? These are the questions we have to answer.

Usually, the ethical arguments I hear are essentially that causing pain for another human being is always wrong, regardless of the circumstances. It’s basically, β€œtorture is wrong because it’s torture”. Often, no one attempts to provide an actual valid argument that weighs the two options – potentially allowing innocent people to suffer a terrible fate, or torturing an evil person – and explain WHY the first one is superior to the latter one.

Once again, maybe you don’t think that torture is effective, etc. But what I want to know is, what if we presume certain factors to be true, creating the hypothetical situation where torture could most easily appear justified?

Basically, if you don’t think the ticking time bomb scenario could be real,

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Remember we have to torture because of the "ticking time bomb" scenario? 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times. "There better be a pretty damned long fuse on that ticking time bomb." emptywheel.firedoglake.co…
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ATOS (DD) Gamma Storm pt 2 - Ticking Time Bomb

Update

Hello folks. This is part 2 of my ATOS DD posted in May here. Go read that post for background on this play and why I’m confident in it. Pretty much everything is on track: as predicted, ATOS has been confirmed to be added to the R2K, the company gave an update on Endoxifen, and the open interest in calls fueled some MM buying.

Since the time of writing part 1 DD, ATOS has climbed from $2.9 to a close of $5.35 - an 85% increase. If you’d followed my suggestions (buying on dips, not going too far OTM on calls, etc.) you should be doing pretty well.

In this DD I will cover the major catalysts remaining and how I expect them to play out. I’ll also explain why I believe this is more interesting than any other R2K inclusion play out there. Finally, I’ll provide some suggestions for how to not lose your shirt and secure profits while maximising your upside.

TL:DR; ATOS is still on track to rocket. While some of the gains have been achieved already, the major gains are yet to come. I expect that over 20M shares will have to be bought indiscriminately between now and the end of July. Given that the total outstanding shares are 120M with about 12M held by institutions, this is a large position of the float for a pretty illiquid stock.

There is less than a week left before the massive share buying begins!

The rest of this DD will cover

  • 4 upcoming catalysts (R2K buying, MM buying, Short buying, and fundamentals)
  • Suggestions for how to invest
  • Thoughts on exit strategies

Disclaimer: I am long ATOS. I am sharing research and some thoughts on how I am thinking about trading. Trade your own way, do your own DD. I have no professional financial training and am not a financial advisor.

Catalyst 1: R2K buying (June through July)

ATOS has been confirmed as added to the R2K. This means that index funds, mutual funds, pension funds, index futures will all start to add ATOS this week in huge amounts. Currently, ATOS’s institutional holdings sit at about 10% which is incredibly low for an equity in the R2K. Peers have holdings in the 30-50% range, so at some point I expect 20-40% of ATOS shares to be bought by institutions.

However, in particular on June 25th, primarily at close at the end of the trading day, passive funds will buy somewhere between 10M and 15M shares.

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The real-life ticking time bomb scenario... salon.com/comics/tomo/200…
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Ticking time bomb scenario - Wikipedia: "since the terrorist presumably knows that the timer is ticking, he has an excellent reason to lie [under torture]" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tic…
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People's support for torture in "ticking time bomb scenarios" is influenced by their desire for retribution digest.bps.org.uk/2014/12…
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Does Netflix feel like a ticking time bomb to anyone else?

So first off I want to preface this with I'm new to investing, so if I'm just horribly wrong in what I've thought through, please tell me and I'll be on my merry way, but to me Netflix feels like like a ticking time bomb.

It feels like a lot of articles about Netflix being either a steady stock or a stock that will increase pretty well in the next few years, practically taking it from other companies, mostly cable as people are "cutting the cord". I feel like that was the right way to think about it a few years ago, but not now.

Practically any company that has things to watch is making a streaming service, and thats where netflix fails. They don't own any of FOX, Disney, and streaming services like Amazon Prime has practically an infinite windfall behind them to keep them ahead, as we saw with their recent MGM purchase.

And now that everyone has a streaming service, Netflix is losing a lot of their shows it feels. They've lost their most popular one to Peacock, and their own originals don't seem to be blowing up consistently like they did in the Stranger Things era when they had The Office along with many other shows.

So with all this, is it a time bomb? Would it be good to short it in the near or somewhat near future? Or even would it be good to buy now and then sell before the it crashes if it will?

EDIT AS I WOKE UP AND READ COMMENTS: Yeah... shorting is probably not gonna be the road for me haha, but I've learned a lot and I'm extremely appreciative of every comment, even the ones where I'm called kinda dumb for asking about shorts πŸ˜…

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RRP Theory and Why The Time Bomb is Ticking Harder Than Ever.

Hey there all beautiful people. This post I'm going to be explaining a couple RRP theories that i've been thinking about and analyzing, along with why the the end is imminent.

To begin, we all know the RRP have been hitting all time highs, and have continued to be on an upward trend for around a month now. I think that's crazy, but I want to know why. Why reverse repos? Until last week they had a rate of 0%, until it was raised to 0.05%, which is still so utterly low. They're still losing whole percent's to inflation.

Theory 1:

So we know RRP's only have 0.05% rate, and that there are short terms bonds with even better rates.

https://preview.redd.it/cymeo2808g671.png?width=756&format=png&auto=webp&s=38c919025ecfb285567d8ddb34f71f8930927c45

See above,

So there are better rates, but yet they decide to continue to throw the money into RRP instead of locking it up into bonds or other assets. So the theory goes as this: there are no better assets or guarantees than 0.05%. Everything else in the market is complete and utter garbage. Or, they aren't entirely sure when they will need the cash and don't want it locked up in bonds that don't mature for years, either or, but continue to Theory two as to why they won't put it into bonds.

Theory 2:

Y'all remember Atobitts amazing string of DD's? To be more specific, remember the one where he proves that the treasury bond market is shorted to hell and back? You picking up what i'm putting down here? Those that participate in RRP know that they actually can't put it into bonds because it will start the short squeeze in the bond market. That they'll be even more fucked than just letting it stagnate in RRP. I really believe this to be a big factor in the huge uptick in RRP. and that they are only going to get higher and higher. Trillions potentially by end of month.

Theory 3:

I thought GME would be the catalyst that blows up the market, but the longer that they allow this to go on, we are realizing that the market was going to collapse without a "meme" stock assisting it. With all the potential pattern lining up to go off this week, I firmly believe that there will be so much buying and selling pressure, that the volatility could cause members to default. Another thing is the potential approval and implementation of 002, resulting in hourly margin calls and the requirement to meet them.. or else.

There are no coincidences. Everything is connected and in the end we can only hope that taxpay

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$PLTR is a ticking time bomb

Pre-statements: Yes I have $AMC shares and calls. No, I’m not a financial advisor so use this as you may :) Reasoning and DD is below***, but for people like me who sometimes don’t wanna read the whole post, I’m adding the summary first.***

Current $PLTR Holding: 492 shares, 5x $30 and 10x $28 weeklies and 2 x $30 calls expiring November 19th.

Summary

I’m heavily invested in $PLTR shares for the long term because this time next year we should be over $100. But weekly calls are the point of this post.

I got a few $30 and $28 weekly calls on Monday, but I’m going hard on the $28+ weekly calls tomorrow since they’re now so cheap (Also for security I’m buying a few calls for the same strikes expiring next week too). Why? Because one little push and we’re breaking the last resistance wall at $27.50 and when we do we will be gapping back up to $45ish fast. We are all on the edge of our seats awaiting the FDIC contract news which should be announced any day now, and I believe that can be the final catalyst that pushes us into a hugeeee run like $SPCE last week. If that happens by Friday the weekly calls I get tomorrow will make me so much money! After all, we are about gambling, and this reward heavily outweighs the risks.

Now the boring stuff, my reasoning and DD:

$Pltr one year chart:

The entire chart is bullish. And if you look at it you can see it’s ready to break out at any moment. Once it does, it has a huge gap up to $45ish to fill. The last resistance is at $27.50 right now which we tested the other day. Once we break that I see a huge rally coming in. Also, we closed at $26.66 yesterday, when we closed there in January it dipped the next day, then ran to its ATH around $45 during the next 2 days. So far 2 out 3 of those things have repeated themselves, will all 3!?

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The Trillion dollar evaluations

This is more debated in the MSM, but many say it will have a $1 trillion evaluation within the next 10 years. What sold me on it being probably true was when Seeking Alpha released an article saying there’s absolutely no way it’ll happen πŸ˜‰ Other analysts have written about why it is likely to happen, they lay it out plain and simple, and the ideas add up!

They continue to land huge contracts.

Left and right $PLTR is landing new partnerships and huge contracts. They’re one of the top companies

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A ticking time bomb: Canada’s tick seasons are getting worse, and they’re no longer just a rural menace theglobeandmail.com/canad…
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I love the way my car is starting to look. I hate reading cvt post making me regret spending money on a possible ticking time bomb.
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β€œHelp, I need to rehome my ESA ticking time bomb!” These people are so disturbing. reddit.com/gallery/oenz7y
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Author's caption: "How can we heal when they consider our bodies to be ticking time bombs?"
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Name that Law: "every attempt to justify torture inevitably returns to the mythical ticking time-bomb scenario, and we are now to the point that we need a sort of Godwin’s Law" balloon-juice.com/?p=1476…
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Bill Clinton proposes court-approved 'torture warrants' for ticking time-bomb scenarios latimes.com/news/opinion/…
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ATOS (DD) Gamma Storm pt 2 - Ticking Time Bomb reddit.com/r/pennystocks/…
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Is Wrecker a ticking time bomb?

Every episode of Bad Batch involves Wrecker getting hit in the head. I keep freaking out that his inhibitor chip will fire up and he turns on everyone.

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Judge Scalia defends torture, citing the fictional ticking time bomb scenario from 24 news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ameri…
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It's a ticking time bomb
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I yolo 15k into call options and Why I think Ocugen is a ticking time bomb for a mother of all squeeze. πŸ’‰πŸ’£πŸš€

Who the fuck is Ocugen?

- Ocugen was originally an gene therapy company focused to cure blindness

- Ocugen finalized deal to co-develop Covid-19 vaccine

Okay cool, we already have enough vaccines so what?

- Ocugen is clearly on Dr. Fauci's radar. Recently Fauci-led NIAID funded Covaxin's efficacy booster adjuvant.

- Covaxin effectively neutralises delta variant

- Delta variant is increasing becoming a concern in the united states. White house is ready to deploy a response team to combat the delta variant.

- Ocugen recently took a major hit as they were recommended by the FDA to pursue full approval instead.

- Ever since June 10th shorties has been having their day making bank off shorting Ocugen.

https://preview.redd.it/sp5jkaefot871.png?width=1116&format=png&auto=webp&s=1c97a8c9082fca733d850776d9941cbf53620a88

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- Ocugen secures manufacturing partner for US and Canada. They are serious about bringing Covaxin to the states as well as neighboring countries.

- Bharat Biotech, Ocugen's partner has pre meeting with WHO already. Sources has. stated that WHO will have a decision for Covaxin to be [WHO approved by 2nd week of August.](https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/decision-on-covaxin-approval-by-2nd-week-of-august-who-chief-scientist-24

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National's Two-Year Ticking Time Bomb newsroom.co.nz/nationals-…
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JSFV cast β€˜refused to film’ with Ronnie. He made them uncomfortable; a ticking time bomb the-sun.com/entertainment…
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[Maximilien Robespierre] The Next Brexit Ticking Time Bomb - Certifications! youtube.com/watch?v=acpxX…
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China’s $18 Trillion Ticking Time Bomb Threatens β€˜V-Shaped’ Boom. forbes.com/sites/williamp…
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The paper to Silver ratio (187 to 1) which is the most important data point in the financial world meaning that their is physically not enough Silver to meet paper contracts demand on silver. This is a massive ticking time bomb waiting to explode.
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Why yes, Motley Fool, GME is indeed a ticking time bomb. Tick tock, tick tock, tick .......
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Ticking Time Bomb Tuesday 😎 (Riley AK74) reddit.com/gallery/o0jrlf
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Are there any ticking time-bombs in the setting?

By ticking time bombs, I mean is there something the leader of the Order alliance may or may not know about, but regardless are not focused on it as a immediate threat.

As an example, the Outsider C’tan of Warhammer 40,000 is stated to bring the end times when it returns to the galaxy. The Imperium may or may not know about save a few Inquisitors, but regardless it’s not the center of their campaign.

Are there similar things waiting or sleeping that when they wake up will turn the setting on it’s head?

To further clarify, Archaon trying to break the Gates of Azyr isn’t a time bomb, since the forces of Order are actively aware of his plot and are actively fighting it. Im talking about something that is at most at the back of everyone’s mind.

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I feel like I’m hovering my head over a ticking time bomb reddit.com/gallery/nhv5cx
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I was told by my doctor that I'm a literal ticking time bomb. I want to live a long life and have kids.

So I've been dealing with the average bowel disease symptoms since 2017. Well about a year ago my mom made me go and see a GI because her cousin passed away from bowel cancer that spread to the rest of her body, all the symptoms she told my mom are the exact ones I was experiencing. Anyways so I did a CT scan and what my GI told me is that the very end of my large intestine is super inflamed along with the beginning of my appendix. He said if I would of waited 1 more year to come in then either it would of turned into serious cancer or my bowel/appendix would of bursted on me and it would of been fatal. Anyways he told me that with my bowel and appendix being both severely inflamed I'm basically a ticking time bomb, he told me if I were to pass stool and it hurts then I have to go to an ER right away as fast as possible. It's also causing my fallopian tubes to be swelled as well (I also might have an ovarian cyst gone bad) which makes me really sad because I've always wanted to have a big family. He had also mentioned that it will mosy likely turn into cancer when I'm either 40 or 50. Idk I just wanted to let somebody know. I'm super depressed.

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Roast my overpriced, ticking time bomb transmission, useless bed Ram Rebel that I absolutely love.
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Taking a shower while baby naps is like showering with a ticking time bomb. πŸ˜‚

You’re always listening out and waiting for her to wake up screaming whilst you’re wet and covered in shampoo/conditioner. Wondering if you could shave your legs or will that be the moment that she wakes up. But oh how good it feels to actually be clean.

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Ticking time bomb: Retirement at 72 years, a not too distant nightmare? today.rtl.lu/news/luxembo…
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$GME is a ticking time bomb... β°πŸ’£πŸ’₯

Look at today’s pathetic volume... Imagine if 1,000,000 shares were bought at once. The price would rocket past $250+ immediately! It’s only a matter of time until shorts are forced to buy millions of shares at prices we’ve set. There’s no way they’re off the hook inexpensively. It’s a free money glitch! First to sell is a b*tch and permits you into the PHPC, Paper Handed Pussy Club.

Become someone’s wife’s boyfriend or don’t. πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

JUST HOLD, DON’T PRE-SELL LIKE A VIRGIN!

The funny thing is, 95% of you reading this or lack of, will hold no matter what cause that’s what you do. I’m just a player who likes the stock too.

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Benzos are β€˜little ticking time bombs’ on the streets of Cork irishexaminer.com/news/sp…
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(And at that time, the ticking time bomb was on) I am still upset that they turned Lane's wedding into this drama, our girl couldn't have her moment! It could have been a drunken discussion with Christopher or Sookie on the table, but nooo it had to be a humiliation in front of the whole town...
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Line 5 pipeline a β€˜ticking time bomb,’ must be shut down by next week, Michigan governor’s office says theglobeandmail.com/polit…
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An alternative to the ticking time-bomb scenario soulcast.com/post/show/32…
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There’s a ticking climate time bomb in West Texas: Biden faces a critical decision about the Permian Basin and its methane emissions from oil and gas. vox.com/22407581/gas-texa…
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Sports betting skyrocketed in pandemic. Experts warn of a β€˜ticking time bomb’ nbcnews.com/news/us-news/…
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ATOS (DD) Gamma Storm pt 2 - Ticking Time Bomb

Update

Hello folks. This is part 2 of my ATOS DD posted in May here. Go read that post for background on this play and why I’m confident in it. Pretty much everything is on track: as predicted, ATOS has been confirmed to be added to the R2K, the company gave an update on Endoxifen, and the open interest in calls fueled some MM buying.

Since the time of writing part 1 DD, ATOS has climbed from $2.9 to a close of $5.35 - an 85% increase. If you’d followed my suggestions (buying on dips, not going too far OTM on calls, etc.) you should be doing pretty well.

In this DD I will cover the major catalysts remaining and how I expect them to play out. I’ll also explain why I believe this is more interesting than any other R2K inclusion play out there. Finally, I’ll provide some suggestions for how to not lose your shirt and secure profits while maximising your upside.

TL:DR; ATOS is still on track to rocket. While some of the gains have been achieved already, the major gains are yet to come. I expect that over 20M shares will have to be bought indiscriminately between now and the end of July. Given that the total outstanding shares are 120M with about 12M held by institutions, this is a large position of the float for a pretty illiquid stock.

There is less than a week left before the massive share buying begins!

The rest of this DD will cover

  • 4 upcoming catalysts (R2K buying, MM buying, Short buying, and fundamentals)
  • Suggestions for how to invest
  • Thoughts on exit strategies

Disclaimer: I am long ATOS. I am sharing research and some thoughts on how I am thinking about trading. Trade your own way, do your own DD. I have no professional financial training and am not a financial advisor.

Catalyst 1: R2K buying (June through July)

ATOS has been confirmed as added to the R2K. This means that index funds, mutual funds, pension funds, index futures will all start to add ATOS this week in huge amounts. Currently, ATOS’s institutional holdings sit at about 10% which is incredibly low for an equity in the R2K. Peers have holdings in the 30-50% range, so at some point I expect 20-40% of ATOS shares to be bought by institutions.

However, in particular on June 25th, primarily at close at the end of the trading day, passive funds will buy somewhere between 10M and 15M shares. The actual a

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