History of dental treatments Puns

Dentist here. Just read the newest IDA journal. Have some bad news.

So we all know that dental treatments are VAT exempt right? Yes. But it's not so simple anymore.

Apparently, Revenue Commission is planning to introduce VAT for dental associate - principal work relationship.

What does it mean? Well, essentially that an employer / practice owner / principal dentist will need to pay VAT for any income he / she receives from associates. Like me.

What does it mean for you as a patient?

• Higher prices, up to standard 23% to bear the extra cost for associates

• Or lower fee for associates, which can mean: associates dumping their practices to start their own practices / emigrating for work / reducing treatment quality / etc

Nothing great about this ridiculous Revenue decision or VAT bs.

The only thing you can do would be to complain to local TDs. Or get tx elsewhere. Or accept higher cost.

I don't know when such change would take place. Assuming it is not opposed.

(I may add source later, but I learnt it from Dec 2021 / Jan 2022 issue of Irish Dental Association journal.)

Source: https://imgur.com/a/stCopoc (Thanks getName)

Title

Title: "Three-dimensional evaluation of skeletal and dental effects of treatment with maxillary skeletal expansion"

Journal: American Journal of Orthodontics and Dentofacial Orthopedics

DOI: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ajodo.2020.12.026

Both my wife and I got very aggressive and expensive treatment plans from Dentists. They told us that both of us needed nearly $10K in Fillings, Crowns, Veneers, and Root Canals. Our Dental Insurance only covered up to $2000 in work, so the rest would be out of pocket.

My wife and I went to different Dentists (based on how close they were to our employers) but one thing was common- They had fancy offices and spent a lot of money on advertising, real estate, and marketing. The front office staff was really fancy looking and the Dentists staff the same.

We decided to get a second opinion and went to a blue-collar style Dentist. He worked out of a 1960s era office and had a small staff of frumpy older women. Nothing slick about his practice.

The "Blue Collar" Dentist told us he took pride in his honesty and would only recommend what was actually needed. After an extensive exam, he told both of us we did not need all those services recommended by the fancy Dental Office down the road. We left with just a few fillings. (No Crowns, Veneers, or Root Canals)

What does this community think about the potential of high overhead Dentists pushing for unneeded work?

Hey, could use any insight from anyone who has found themselves in my shoes.

Im going to my periodontist today for an appointment that will require 4 units of scaling. I called Canada Life to see the status of my coverage and was told I used up my scaling units and that I would need to get a predetermination approved before any further units are covered. I called my periodontist to see if there was anything they do in these situations and said that there was nothing they could do and if I was to push my appointment a couple weeks until I get approval I would have to pay a missed appointment fee.

I find the situation annoying as, for one, periodontist appointments are expensive. And two, I find the requirement for pre-approval kind of pointless. A periodontist is performing the services, of course it’s a legit case of periodontitis. But non-the-less, rules are the rules.

Does anyone know if there is anything I can do in this situation other than pay up? I know there’s a process to appeal to a board by submitting my documentation, but I imagine when the rules are clear (well, clear that you need pre-approval, not clear in the slightest on what pre-approval actually means), there isn’t much hope there.

Thanks for any insight :)

Update: I went to my periodontist appointment and will just have to use it as a lesson for next time! Although I would’ve saved money by cancelling and paying the fee, I would’ve felt too guilty.

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Hi I booked a dental check up appointment in one of the dental surgery in sneinton in September, the dentist checked my teeth, didn’t do anything useful in my opinion but he said he could tell I need a crown for night because I grind my teeth when I am sleeping, I never had any teeth treatment done in my life so I had no idea what was it, and he never mentioned how much it cost or how should I pay for it! And guess what I received a PCN from NHS asking me £282 and £100 penalty charge and £50 surcharge! I was so shocked! Nobody in the surgery told me this was a paid service! I didn’t sign FP 17 saying I could get it free from NHS! Called the number on the letter, I’ve been told that the best I am get is got the £150 off if I didn’t sign the FP 17 ! I still have to pay the £282! I swore I’ve never used it because it’s absolutely useless! I don’t need it at all! I really think the dentist gave me that because he thought I can get free from NHS! I could 3 years ago but not now! The point is he never mentioned how much is that!!! This is ridiculous! Has anyone has the same experience? Or any suggestion? I am gutted!!!

This post may be most relevant to those in the US or Canada but I imagine this information might be relevant in other countries as well. Not only will getting dental care at a dental school save you money, it also provides dental students with experience in the field.

So I'm in my early 30s and have bad teeth, the result of an eating disorder when I was a teenager. Most people can't notice it aesthetically, but at some point over the next few years my teeth will reach a point where I'll really need to fund expensive aesthetic dental treatment- probably composites as I can't afford porcelain veneers.

Obviously whether I get composites or veneers, they only last a few years before they have to be replaced- for the rest of my life. So I just wondered how other people managed to budget for these ongoing aesthetic costs? It would probably average out at £2500 every five years (assuming composites on about 8 teeth), but obviously I'd never know exactly when my composite veneers would break and need replacing.

Does anyone have any tips for saving for such expensive yet unpredictable ongoing costs? I only earn around the £30k mark so quite anxious about needing this treatment in a few years.

Since childhood I've had numerous dental problems. I knocked out a front tooth when I was 9 y/o and I only have half the other one, and so far I've had 4 root canals. Since my family was below the poverty line, dental treatment was always a last resort which led to even further dental problems that needed to be fixed. I've always been self conscious of my smile and I've been a heavy financial burden on my family for most of my life.

This week, two of teeth that had root canals have turned brown and I feel one of them starting to get sore. I'm currently unemployed and unsure if I will even be able to pay rent next month. I don't have dental insurance and I don't have money for treatment. What do I do? I'm tired of having teeth pain and having to be conscious about smiling.

I am 22, male and I live in Illinois. I don't know what treatments are immediately necessary yet (for my tooth soreness and turning brown), but it's probably gonna cost a lot. I finally got my braces off a few months ago and have been going for free consultations at different dentists for cosmetic work to fix my smile, but all of them have quoted me $10k+, which feels impossible to finance in my current situation.

I need two dental implants after my Invisalign treatment is over. Was wondering if anyone had implant experience they could share?

Hi, I got offered a treatment plan from a new private dentist, they gave me the treatment plan and costs, would this be the total costs? Zirconia crown prep, does that include the cost of the crown? I'm not going to be able to talk to the dentist untill the day, it states that this treatment plan is to achieve dental fitness. Would there be other costs on a second appointment for this root canal? It was kinda rushed so I wanna make sure thanks. I included a picture of the costs.

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Apologies in advance but I'm cranky as shit because of this. I've been waiting 3 god dam years to be assigned a dental practice with the NHS, I was told I was top of the list in 2020. I contact them every 6 months to be palmed off with the same claim that that I'm top of the list. It seems the practices are just rejecting everyone on the waiting list full stop. I tried contacting the local practices across the entire county to be told I'd have to wait another 2 years to even be seen privately FFS! I've been up all night with constant discomfort, theres some weird shit going on in my mouth along with obvious tooth pain. I've tried to access emergency treatment only to find out that it's basically a lottery where you go up against 5,000 others at 8.30am for a chance to win one of 20 appointments with a dental nurse. Why aren't people more pissed off about this? Now considering travelling abroad to an actual developed country where basic healthcare may be available. Any advice? Has anyone found a way around this? I'd travel nationally if need be.

I just came back from a Western Dental appointment. After poking all my gums (mild bleeding), the doctor gave me all 1-3 and a couple 4's (gum scoring). They recommended I buy the periodontal medicament carriers (1 for the top and 1 for the bottom set of teeth), along with a GumX Starter kit. These along with the Gingival Irrigation cost me $1,214.50. Does anyone have experience with this, and is this worth it? I'm hoping I didn't get scammed.