Protagoras Puns

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There are two sides to every question.

--- Protagoras

I am highly interested in the works of the Sophists, and find them more interesting than those that are usually praised, such as Plato or Aristotle. All of Protagoras's works have been lost, although as I know it has occurred that some of the Sophists' lost works have been found, such as one by Antiphon. Does anyone know anything about this?

(From around 357b-359a)

My question: Can somebody be willfully ignorant when making an unwise decision regarding a specific pleasure (let's use smoking as an example)

Socrates says these unwise choices in the area of pleasure are made due to a lack of foresight for their remote effects (in other words, lack of knowledge) and only a focus on the immediate.

If one were to weigh out the positive (pleasure) with the later negatives (pains) they would do the 'right' thing - because of their knowledge.

But lets assume a smoker knows full well the consequences of smoking but disregards it for the five minute pleasure, is this the smoker turning a blind eye and CHOOSING to forget about or ignore their knowledge of the full scale of effects and pains?

Earlier in the dialogue (or it could be in Gorgias), Socrates does admit that the wise man can become unwise again, is this what could be happening here?

Thanks.

Do you think that Aristotle's "even subjects that are known are known only to a few" corresponds to Plato's Protagoras is "that no one does wrong willingly, but only out of ignorance"?

I think this is first spoken about in Plato’s Protagoras dialogue. Is Protagoras right or wrong? How would we prove or show if he is right or wrong?

> Plagued by memories of his previous narrative, Akecheta returns to the outskirts of the park to search for Logan. He stumbles upon the Protagoras construction site William once showed Dolores, realizing that this must be “a passage to another world. A door.” source

So maybe the ‘controversy’ started by editing the audio of the BTS: The Delos Experiment video was less ‘nefarious’ than some of us thought. It could be that the term was partially misused for Lab 12.

It's been floating around here for a little while now that the logo we've started seeing at the secret labs and inside Abernathy's brain is related to a project called "Protagoras" (the most abundant discussion is here: https://old.reddit.com/r/westworld/comments/8i7u7x/someone_found_this_a_month_ago_seems_like_this/?st=jh6u2dk1&sh=78d9b910).

Now, Protagoras was a 5th century thinker (essentially a philosopher but more commonly now called a sophist; the generally artificial distinction was made by Plato to make Socrates look better). So far, what focus there has been on the force of this allusion is to Protagoras' most famous statement: "Man is the measure of all things: of the things that are, that they are, of the things that are not, that they are not." I do not doubt that this is significant, but I think there's another level that hasn't yet been investigated.

We owe the bulk of our knowledge about Protagoras to Plato, who wrote a dialogue named after and heavily featuring our friend. What is interesting about this, especially given what we saw in S2E4 with James Delos, is that in this dialogue Protagoras tells a story about Prometheus in which the trickster-god creates the human race (which gave Mary Shelley the subtitle for Frankenstein: "The Modern Prometheus.") Here's the story in full, from the fairly standard translation in the Loeb Classical Library (it's long, but worth reading; skip ahead for the tl;dr):

"There was once a time when there were gods, but no mortal creatures. And when to these also came their destined time to be created, the gods moulded their forms within the earth, of a mixture made of earth and fire and all substances that are compounded with fire and earth. When they were about to bring these creatures to light, they charged Prometheus and Epimetheus to deal to each the equipment of his proper faculty. Epimetheus besought Prometheus that he might do the dealing himself; “And when I have dealt,” he said, “you shall examine.” Having thus persuaded him he dealt; and in dealing he attached strength without speed to some, while the weaker he equipped with speed; and some he armed, while devising for others, along with an unarmed condition, some different faculty for preservation. To those which he invested with smallness he dealt a winged escape or an underground habitation; those which he increased in largeness he preserved by this very means; and he dealt all the other properties on this plan of compensation.

In con

This happened first, reported by u/Slypgun:

>They changed the character names on that IMDB page to “Drone Host Lab Tech” btw

And then this reported by u/MisquotedSource:

>They have re-uped the video minus Shannon Woodword saying Protagoros.

I mean, what is going on? Are they trying to distract us? I've also tried to look for more metadata in the latest log files that appeared in Delos restricted web, but I couldn't find anything relevant.

Edit: my guess is that they don't want Protagoras to look like anything to most of us. Maybe they're trying to draw a parallel between the hosts and us, differentiating between those people who are constantly looking for clues, wanting to know the truth, and those who just wanna live and enjoy the show one episode at a time, waiting for the truth to be revealed.

In the S2E4 behind the scenes video the actress who portrays Elsie refers to the site where she and Bernard find James Delos v. 149 as “Protagoras.” Her exact quote was: "Behind a locked door in Protagoras, we start to hear strange noises."

That video has since been taken down from both HBO and YouTube and replaced with “Behind a locked door we start to hear strange noises." With the word “Protagoras” removed.

Old video: here Current video: here

Who was Protagoras?

So I hit up Wikipedia and found out he was a pre-Socratic Greek philosopher famous for the following:

>Protagoras is credited with the philosophy of relativism, which he discusses in his work, Truth (also known as Refutations). Although knowledge of his work is limited, discussion of Protagoras' relativism is based on one of his most famous statements: "Man is the measure of all things: of the things that are, that they are, of the things that are not, that they are not." By this, Protagoras meant that each individual is the measure of how things are perceived by that individual. Therefore, things are, or are not, true according to how the individual perceives them. For example, Person X may believe that the weather is cold, whereas Person Y may believe that the weather is hot. According to the philosophy of Protagoras, there is no absolute evaluation of the nature of a temperature because the evaluation will be relative to who is perceiving it. Therefore, to Person X, the weather is cold, whereas to Person Y, the weather is hot. This philosophy implies that there are no absolute "truths". The truth, according to Protagoras, is relative, and differs according to each individual.

What does that mean?

So it seems like Protagoras was basically the first guy to say “If you can't tell, does it matter?" A question asked by both Angela and William in the series. If a host has all of James Delos’ memories, thoughts and feelings, and you don’t know that he isn’t James Delos... does it matter that he isn’t?

So does it matter?

Not if you can’t tell. It’s the knowing that there is something different that makes the difference matter.

What does all of this mean for the plot?

That’s the tougher part. I think what we should take away from this is two important ideas:

**1.) Each individual is the measure of how things are perceived by that individual. Therefore, things are, or are not, true according to how t

Does anyone have any sources that say what Protagoras looked like? The more specific the better, obviously finding a bust or something similar would be ideal as it captures every detail in an easy to see format, though I haven't had any luck with that. When you simply type his name into google you'll find a lot of pictures of this bust, but a reverse search revealed that to be of another person from around the same time. I haven't been able to find anything else reliable. I know this is a fairly specific question but if anyone could help it'd be awesome, thanks.

So recently I've been trying to understand greek democracy, and how protagoras viewed it, and the future pact hobbes and rousseau bring to the table. Any ideas on how to start, what to read or just your thoughs on the subject?

I got an exam coming up on Protagoras, I've read all the teacher has given just looking to be sure I have the right idea. Can anyone give me a breakdown of what's important to remember from this chapter?

I think this is first spoken about in Plato’s Protagoras dialogue. Is Protagoras right or wrong? How would we prove or show if he is right or wrong?

I checked, and this is the first mention of "Protagoras" in any of the official episode synopses to date.

https://www.hbo.com/westworld/season-2/8-kiksuya/synopsis