If you have your custom chapter as a bunch of Mary sues saving civilians and winning every battle whats the point of it being in 40k
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What are the common traits and tropes of mediocre/β€œMary Sue” Original Characters in your fandom? And what are wider tropes that appear in your fandom?

In PokΓ©mon O.Cs. Almost everyone has a Eevee or Eeveelation including my own O.C.(shiny Eevee look like my late first dog) And also a lucurio because cool.

All the My Little Pony O.Cs that are Alicorns or humans that showed up in equestria which is so common to have a Tag in Fimfiction

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POV: You were randomly teleported here, what do you do? (No OP or Mary Sue OCs)
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When they strat talking and scheming at age 1 plus points if they're a mary sue
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Mary sue tries to be a superhero on a horror setting

I'll try to keep this as brief as possible. It's a story i found funny and was encouraged to share it. Sorry if its too long.

In 2021 I started DMing a CoC inspired horror campaign with my friends. I kept it a little less brutal, like pulp cthulhu, because I wanted to create a story where my players investigated several paranormal phenomena while trying to unravel a bigger conspirancy plot.

First chapter was done, everyone enjoyed it and were looking forward to the next one.

At that time, I made a new friend, which i'll call Mary, that had never played TTRPG but she was interested, so I thought that was a good idea to introduce her to the game. I explained that it was not meant to be an action story, but a more investigative one.

Our story takes place in Japan (we're a pretty weeby group ourselves) but every character was a normal person, and the most weeby things were just the characters name. I dont know if this made Mary feel comfortable in making the most over the top character ever.

The character Mary created was just like herself, except for the name. Same appearance, same age, same hobbies, etc. The key differences are that her character had different colored eyes, was the next in line of a family of super powered exorcists that had a necklace with mysterious monster slaying powers that was passed through generations. I told her to tune it down about the super powered exorcists, and, although she was annoyed, they ended up being only normal investigators like the players.

In the next session, a new mystery is revealed and the players start investigating and interacting with the new protagonist. Everything went fine. Some days after the session was over Mary came to me on discord DM and said she was excited to see when her "different colored eyes will unleash their secret power". Again, I told her this was not the kind of story we were playing, and she argued with me that because the other players had more experience she should have something to counter balance it.

After some discussion, i proposed to her that maybe she should leave the group and wait until we played a high fantasy setting or something like that. She said she would like to keep playing and wouldnt make any troubles...until the next day.

Again, on discord dms, Mary told me she had a conversation with one of her friends about how she played her first dm session and really enjoyed it And then, without asking me, said that this friend of hers will come in the next session to pla

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Villain Sues are much easier to justify than Mary and Gary Sues

First of all, I think we still use the term Mary Sue to refer to overly perfect and/or OP characters. If we don't then too bad.

Of course there's a precedent for wankfests like Overlord where the protagonist is always prepared and gets away with everything, because it's nice to see someone OP once in a while but since that's become the norm it's time to restate the obvious: Watching a heroic character that has everything going for them is boring. Really, really boring. Because you have to follow this character and your expected to have to care about their struggles, can't do that if there are no struggles.

Villains on the other hand, are supposed to have the advantage. Think Thanos, he's one of the most powerful, smart and capable monsters in Marvel Comics. This translates to him being an overwhelming opponent who usually comes very close to succeeding in his endeavors. That's fine because he isn't the main character (Unless it's a Starlin book) he's the opponent whose keeping the good guys on their toes. It's okay that he's a magical supergenius that can blast energy out of his hands. It's okay that he's a caricature of the character that appeared in the 80s because he's a villain.

Another OP example is Muzan Kibutsuji, who has all kinds of insane powers that no one can stand against. That's okay because figuring out how to kill him in spite of those things is one of the biggest questions of the Demon Slayer series. You want him to lose, that is why it remains interesting to watch him in action.

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Cannon characters that have similar traits to Mary Sues and Edgy Deviantart OC’s but everyone loves them?

The Primarchs from Warhammer 40k are all super superhuman clone sons of the god Emperor who can murder armies by themselves and who most of the Horus Hersey is focused on.

Some of the traitors like Konrad Curze and Perturrabo are Coldsteel the hedgehog level Edgelords. Fulgrim is a white haired bishie anime boy in the Warhammer 40k setting.

They are all super special people that everyone one pays attention to. And the fan base mostly loves the Primarchs with a good deal of fanworks and discussion being entirely focused on them.

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Why people are faster at writting off female characters as Mary Sues, than male characters as Gary Stues?

Ive seen this trend for a while, stories with female characters as heroines or main characters happens to be called out as Mary sues more often than a male one, to the point where people are extremely at the offensive everytime a female character happens to have the rol of a MC or a predominant role or simply happens to be strong/powerful, especially in adventure/action stories.

For example, a male character can have major wins consecutively in a row, and they wont be called a gary stue until it becomes VERY ridiculous, Like they wont be called out until they have atleast a record of 5 or 6 wins in a row.

But when is a female characters, just with having atleast 2 wins in a row they are instantly called Mary Sues. Is like there is some kind of unmercifulness and animosity when it comes towards them. Even tho ive seen male characters pulling bullshits much worse than some of the female ones but they arent called out as much as the former.

A lot of Vint Deasel, Jason Statham and Lian Nesson action characters barely gets any flack, despite pulling absolute bullshits and curstomping everything on their way. But people like to make noise about the likes of Wanda Vision, Black Widow or Korra.

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Nina got the want to flirt with Mary-Sue… the drama in this town
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For the New Year: Remember when there were no Mary-Sues on our TV shows.
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Teen Titans get together, by Sue Mary Rakocy
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Partners for Mary Sue post divorce?

She's about 8 days from being an elder and interested in dating again (good for her). I'm okay with townies. I was going to have her marry Cassandra but Cass had different plans and married Zach Wilson after divorcing Don so that ship has sailed πŸ˜‚ other unavailable townies are Benjamin Long, Komei Tellerman, and most of the female townies (I also might be forgetting someone but I'll edit it if I am πŸ˜‚)

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They boys are being seriously neglected while the girls are becoming borderline Mary Sues

Up until episode 5 the boys have:

  • Chopped some wood
  • Ran away from a tiny darkfriend girl
  • Gotten a dagger
  • Ran away from trollocs and a myrddraal
  • Complained and being generally mopey
  • killed his own wife

The girls have:

  • killed several trollocs singlehandedly
  • sustained moraine from death
  • revived 10+ people
  • overwhelmed Logain
  • rescued Perrin
  • learnt to use the source without any tutoring
  • tackled a Whitecloak and almost killed him

"I’m a feminist and it’s very important to me that the show is feminist in today’s context. So a lot of those things will be changing"

Rafe Judkins 2018.

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I just can’t wait for them to suddenly change their mind about this show just like they changed their mind about Cara Dune who was a feminist Mary Sue SJW woke Character
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Unpopular opinion but I think Ginny Weasley was a Mary Sue

I see a lot of love for Ginny all over but I can’t seem to like her because she’s such a Mary Sue.

β€œShe’s kind, brave, beautiful, compassionate, fierce, fiery” - like what were her faults??

She was rash and aggressive at times (see bat bogey hexes) but those can’t even be counted as faults because she was praised for those traits too.

β€œWonderful beautiful Ginny and her wonderful beautiful bat bogey hex”

She was extremely two dimensional and I feel like she only existed as a love interest for Harry.

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I took the Universal Mary Sue/Gary Stu Litmus Test for Che Diaz
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β€œUltramarines suck because they’re Mary Sues that never lose and have no flaws! Also, they suck because of all their flaws, screw-ups, and defeats”
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Any tips for intentionally writing a story with an Overpowered Mary Sue?

I'm trying to intentionally write a story with an Overpowered Mary Sue.

It's an OC from Earth reincarnated into a fictional world. Since birth, they're incredibly overpowered because of a certain powerset they have, which is an Outside-Context Problem in this world. And they only grow stronger. This is the "Overpowered" part.

This world values strength, so they're loved by everyone around them, and everyone believes they can do no wrong (this is all excluding the obvious exceptions like enemy factions). They're also absurdly beautiful. This is the "Mary Sue" part.

So far, I've thought of having them face struggles not in the fighting department, but in the emotional and mental department, like insecurities and trauma. And conflicts with other characters that aren't physical.

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Character development = combat feats UNLESS you're a Mary Sue
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When some people say they want better gay representation in media, what they mean is they want a cast of Mary Sues.

There’s a large contingent of media consumer that demands β€œbetter representation” (whatever that means) for gay characters and nonwhite characters, and on the surface it seems reasonable, but for plenty of these people it just means they want those characters to be perfect and without flaws because someone might be offended if a gay character does a bad thing 😱😱😱 and we can’t have that.

And I’m sorry but that’s so boring. Characters should make interesting decisions. They should have flaws. They should be allowed to be villains. They should be complicated. And unfortunately the vast majority of gay characters I’ve come across are boring, somewhat stereotypical, and add nothing to the story apart from ticking a diversity box.

Shoehorning gay characters into the boring box because you don’t want to offend Twitter is weak and somewhat homophobic itself.

Merry Christmas.

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If writing Mary Sue's is bad, what about a character who is a depressed wretch with no likable qualities? I mean, they say write what you know.

/uj all my characters have depression help I can't stop myself

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Akshan Deserves More Hate for Being a Mary Sue

There, I said it.

Imagine if Seraphine was actually relevant and in her very first appearance she defeated Urgot and Camille? That's basically Askhan.

If Akshan was a female character people would recognise him more for the Mary Sue he is and would have definitely complained about him more. He's a pretty hero who becomes friends with everyone immediately and after going through some OFF-SCREEN development he somehow learns some overarching lesson and "deserves" to help deal the final blow to the villain.

Akshan literally just appears out of nowhere in the story with some magic MacGuffin that was also introduced in the last second and saves the day in some nonsense way that is contradicted by its own lore - if Gwen was stabbed by Viego with his actual sword, which is what we canonically saw in the video they put out, why does shooting Isolde revive her??

Don't know why this dude dodges so much hate.

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Why are people calling Kate Bishop a Mary Sue?

I've been hearing this ever since the show started. Why do they choose to ignore she was inspired by Hawkeye in 2012 and took up archery that is to this? There is even a montage of her learning archery and winning competitions over the years. She didn't win fights when she >!briefly used the Ronin suit either!<.

So why is this happening?! Can we for once have a female character not go through this BS for a change?

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Started yesterday with Cobra Kai. Still don't know if Amanda LaRusso is a brilliant character or a Mary Sue.

Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan! She is one of only two characters in the show with basic common sense and thats standing out. The other one is of course the nerdy kid "Snitches get immunity" :)

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Found a channel that does William Afton harem stuff; and it recently did an au facts video with this being their first point. The link in the picture goes to Terrible Writing Advice's Mary Sue video for anyone wondering.
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Lore Ignored, Mary Sue NPC Inbound!

Hey, CC. Before I kick it off, I wanted to say you're awesome and thanks for being you. That being said, this story happened to me a few days ago. As a disclaimer, I will not be disclosing any ages or anything else aside from saying everyone but the 'former co-worker' is 18+. Roll post.

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I'm a beginner DM. I don't have very many books or anything that helps me out with this, so I have an experienced DM friend who helps me out.. I'm a pretty simple dude who loves when his players get creative. It really makes me happy when they ask for homebrew and whatnot so long as I approve and think it fits in my own homebrew world.

I have a full party of a Human Fighter, a Merman* Cleric, a Half-Elf Sorcerer, a Centaur Barbarian and a Merman* Rogue in the party. I'll explain a little about the asterisks at the end of the post.... At any rate, a former coworker of mine loves hearing about my tales as a beginner DM and my homebrew campaign called "Kingdoms of Eibon".

The setting is a sort of dark fantasy world setting around the mid to late 1400's where magic is absolutely vital to the world. The main goal of the story is for the Champions -- AKA, my Players -- to band together and stop the BBEG, The Slumbering King and his decay magic from destroying everything.

To make matters stranger, former coworker -- who I will call by their character name -- Delilah, messaged me the other day and asked if they could join the game. I told them that the party was already full and we couldn't have anymore people join in.. so she proposed that she could let me have her character to run as an NPC instead.

I told her: "Yeah, sure. Lemme see the sheet, send me the backstory and I'll see if I can't run them for you as a special NPC." I sent her a document with important bullet notes about Eibon and the world and legends and whatever else she needed so she could integrate this character in properly…

I should have said no. I REALLY should have said no... but I'm as my players put it... kiiind of a pushover.

Four days later, she sends me a sheet and her character's backstory which is only a page long. I think to myself, "Yeah. Okay. I can work with this." But then I open the documents. I see a WALL of text on the backstory, all in 10pt monotype cursovia to look 'fancy', and bright neon pink highlight over all the text which hurt my eyes. I had to copy and paste it into a different document just to fix it where I could see it properly. That... was Red Flag 1.

Red Flag

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'I am not an owl. Just a badly written Mary sue'- Movie HermioneπŸ™€
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What’s your definition of a β€˜β€™Mary sue” or β€œGary stu”

My definition is a character who is so unrealistically powerful that they say fuck all with logic or a character who is just ridiculously strong without any reason like they’re just strong with no explanation.

Edit: thanks for the responses, I’m currently writing my first fic and didn’t want to have naruto be a Rey from Star WarsπŸ’€

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They even ranked that Mary Sue higher than Rex and Qui Gon 🀣🀣🀣
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Ahhh true love. Mary me or I sue πŸ˜‚
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[WP] Mary Sue sighed in frustration. She wasn’t Ms. Perfect. She wasn’t unrealistically talented at everything. She simply had the superpower of plot armor.
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Discussion: If HogwartsMystery was a fan fiction instead of game; would you consider the main character to be a β€œMary Sue”? (or perhaps a borderline Mary sue)?

FYI: I personally consider to the term β€œMary sue” to be gender neutral.

I really do LOVE so many things about the character I get play but sometimes I find myself rolling my eyes at how great she is at everything with minimal practice, how no one ever really calls her out for kinda peer pressuring her friends to get involved in shit they aren’t sure they want part in (my MC is cunning slytherin so it makes sense but it’s still weird no one expresses dissatisfaction with it) and how EVERYONE who isn’t particularly fond of her is a person who is an evil sociopath and/or a total jerk and/or extremely misguided.

Edit: Another thing; losing her only sibling before she was pre-teen, seeing her parents suffer constantly because of it and being negatively pre-judged by association HAS to be emotionally scarring (if not out right traumatic) but I’ve yet to see her be vulnerable about the tragedy or have even one inappropriate emotional outburst because of it (even when provoked by Merula or Snape speaking badly about him). She mentions that it saddens/bothers her but she keeps herself so calm, cool and collected about it instead of being vulnerable or emotionally detached. That’s so odd for someone in their preteens/early-teens who suffered through that.

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Is Sam a Mary Sue or simply very healthy and confident?

Sam is Riley's wife.

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PSA: You probably don't hate progressivism, you probably hate Mary Sues and bad writing.

Edit: The comments seem to suggest that this was the wrong sub to post this to, but /r/StarTrek/ is locked down tighter than a gnat's ass, and /r/StarTrekMemes/ and /r/Risa/ get grumpy with me when I post things that aren't pictures, they all said "Go post to /r/ShittyDaystrom/!," so I believed them and came here.
Sorry, everybody.
I suck.
:(


Was in another thread on another sub, responding to a guy who said he hated the progressivism of DISCO.... except what he was describing was a dislike of bad writing and Mary Sues, it wasn't related to progressivism at all.

Here's one simple trick you can use to determine if your problem is with progressivism, or with the writing: If you ask yourself "Would this character irritate me just as much if they were played by a straight White CIS male?" and the answer is yes, that character would definitely still irritate me, then your problem isn't with progressivism, it's with bad writing.

"I hate Sonequa Martin Green" = I hate progressivism.
"I hate Michael Burnham" = I hate bad writing.

Know the difference. This has been a public service announcement.

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Remember Mary Sue Coleman knew about the allegations against Martin Philbert and did nothing! michiganradio.org/news/20…
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It’s funny that people often hate this scene because of Rey’s β€œMary Sue” abilities, when she did nothing that tech-savvy. It was a light-hearted moment where by β€œbypassing” it she just yanked it out like a feral scavenger would.
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Mary Sue MANGA VS ANIME
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I feel like Alex kind of sabotaged Teiko by making her a braniac Mary Sue who gets invited to teach at foreign Universities. She could've just been a normal, but very smart schoolgirl.
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Has anyone reliazed, as much as a Mary sue, Bloom always been, there were some interesting conflicts she deal with in earlier seasons, but now in later seasons she doesn’t even do anything worthwhile nor can’t even root for her at all from that point.
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Man, what a bunch of Mary Sues

8 Tusken Raiders go from never riding anything faster than a bantha to hijacking a speeder train with only like, 5 minutes of training.

Smh my head

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An Allwing hybrid I made, I'm trying a little challenge where I try to make this character likeable and not Mary-sue (colours were taken from a generator) some basic info about this OC in the replies reddit.com/gallery/ro65dn
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Crackfic Idea: Naruto and the team meet up with a Mary Sue

Naruto basically meets up with the team and somehow meets a Mary Sue along the way and she tries to join Naruto’s team and wacky shenanigans play. It could also be that Team 7 are grouped up with her because of a mission.

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"I don't like the thought of it". Well no one asked you Mary Sue (aka Taylor; Kenny's daughter).

These 'kids' are ridiculous.

Edit: Random thought but I have never seen Corey as happy when he met up with Jenny. πŸ€·πŸ»β€β™€οΈπŸ€·πŸ»β€β™€οΈ Just my two cents.

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[WP] A self aware Mary Sue has broken out of their own fanfic and has gone on to derail and destroy the plots of other fic. You are an author hired to write a fanfic that will be a trap for the rogue Mary Sue, but keep in mind you've only got one shot to do this right.
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How close is Michiru to a Mary Sue?
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What TV character is such a Mary Sue/Gary Stu?
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