The politicisation of the church is accelerating Poland's secularisation notesfrompoland.com/2021/…
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Progressive Viraat Hindu advocating secularisation of festivals like the progressive West does to keep it inclusive for minorities. Next year’s Diwali is officially renamed as β€œPOST-MONSOON LIGHTS FESTIVAL” to keep it inclusive for our Christians and Muslims
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B1069 - Secularisation (Repeal) Bill - Notice of Withdrawal

Secularisation (Repeal) Bill has been withdrawn on request of its author.

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B1069 - Secularisation (Repeal) Bill - 2nd Reading

#Secularisation (Repeal) Bill


A

BILL

TO

Repeal the Secularisation Act 2016 in its entirety.

BE IT ENACTED by the Queen’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:β€”

1. Repeals

(a) The Secularisation Act 2016 is repealed in its entirety.

2. Commencement, Short Title and Extent

(1) This Act shall extend to the whole United Kingdom.

(2) This Act shall come into force immediately upon Royal Assent.

(3) This Act may be cited as the Secularisation (Repeal) Bill 2020.

This bill was written and submitted by the Rt. Hon. /u/Greejatus MBE, MP for Leeds & Wakefield, as a Private Members' Bill.

Secularisation Act 2016


Opening Speech

Mr Deputy Speaker

We have tried and failed, the experiment of secularism.

As was predicted by the wise few who voted against it when it was first proposed in this chamber years ago, we have seen an increase in legislation targeting religions across the board, from the banning of faith schools in Northern Ireland to the banning of religious practices here in England.

Secularism has led to a wave of religious intolerance, and we must undo it.

I commend this bill to the House and commend the reformation of the national faith, the Church of England, likewise.


This reading shall end on Friday 4th September at 10PM BST.

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r/Secularisation Rules
  1. No harassment

  2. Be nice to each other

  3. Report bad behaviour to u/Potatiuminside

  4. Have fun!

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B1011 - Secularisation (Accession Declaration) Bill - Division

##Secularisation (Accession Declaration) Bill


#LINK TO BILL & DEBATE


This Bill was submitted by The Most Honourable Marquess of Oxford /u/Demon4372 GBE KCT PC FRS on behalf of the Liberal Democrats.

This division will end on the 9th of June.

Vote Aye, No, or Abstain only. Other votes will not be counted.

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B1011 - Secularisation (Accession Declaration) Bill - Second Reading

Secularisation (Accession Declaration) Bill

A

Bill

To

Alter the form of the Declaration and Oath required to be made by the Sovereign on Accession; and for connected purposes.

BE IT ENACTED by the Queen's Most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:β€”

Section 1: Repeal of Old Oaths

(1) The Coronation Oath Act 1688 shall be repealed in its entirety.

(2) The Declaration of Protestant faith as set out in the Bill of Rights [1688] and amended by the Accession Declaration Act 1910 shall no longer be required or taken by a new Sovereign upon taking the throne.

(3) The Accession Declaration Act 1910 shall be repealed

Section 2: Accession Oath

(1) In the presence of the Accession council, formed of all Privy Counsellors, Great Officers of State, Realm High Commissioners and senior civil servants, the new Sovereign shall take the following oath, with the Lord President of the Council administering the questions.

(2) If the Sovereign chooses to have a Coronation Ceremony, this shall be the Oath administered by the Archbishop, however the oath must be also administered during the Accession council.

(3) The Oath Shall be:

>President: Is your Majesty willing to take the Oath?
>
>Sovereign: I am willing.
>
>President: Will you solemnly promise and swear to govern the Peoples of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, your other Realms and Territories, and the Commonwealth, according to their respective laws and customs?
>
>Sovereign: I solemnly promise so to do.
>
>President: Will you to your power cause Law and Justice, in Mercy, to be executed in all your judgements?
>
>Sovereign: I will.
>
>President: Will you to the utmost of your power maintain and preserve the liberty and freedom of all peoples to exercise their faith and beliefs? Will you maintain and preserve the democratic right, and right of self determination, of all persons and realms you rule over? Will you respect and preserve the sovereignty of parliament and of the people, and not infringe or interfere in the democratic process?
>
>Sovereign: All this I promise to do.
>
>Sovereign: The things which I have here before promised, I will perform and keep

**Section 3: De

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I'm running as an Indepdent for Dublin Rathdown. My policies include €900/month UBI, Secularisation , Combating Climate Change, Decriminalising/Legalisiing drugs and many more. Have a look and any questions let me know! patrick-noonan.com/
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Today Nordic countries are some of the least religious countries on the planet. Did the success of socialist /social democratic parties had anything to do with mass secularisation? Was there any conscious attempt on their part to promote it amongst their base and society at large?
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Secularisation of Islamic Supremacist Owaisi opindia.com/2020/02/aimim…
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Suicide by secularisation: how the churches are dying audioboom.com/posts/76121…
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"Boredom is an abstract crisis of desireβ€”one at home in a secularised world where attention has become a commodity" | Boredom isn’t a personal issue, it’s a symptom of the modern industrialised world. iai.tv/articles/the-histo…
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A thought to generate discussion on secularisation narratives and class

I suppose this comment is more targeted at the very shallow secularisation narratives you seen on places like reddit like "People are less religious because they are more educated and have access to more information nowadays."

Often this comes from Americans, who associate religiosity with rural and low-income populations in their country.

In Australia and the UK, I think you see a different picture: for decades, the people who are the least educated in places like Australia and the UK (i.e. white/Anglo-Celtic people on public housing estates) seem to be profoundly irreligious.

Wouldn't we expect these populations to be the last bastions of religious belief if it's the case that "People just need to be educated"?

I suppose this is merely a report of my own personal experience, rather than an elaborately developed case (I am not a sociologist, and can't produce any data).

I am putting forward this post to generate discussion.

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Historic shift in Italy as civil ceremonies surpass church weddings for first time - The historic shift represents the increasing secularisation of Italy, a once staunchly Catholic country where these days less than a quarter of the adult population regularly attends Mass. telegraph.co.uk/news/2019…
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I'm in Swedish 9th grade, this is one of my assignments, secularisation and criticism of religion. imgur.com/qoUfYvP
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What are your views on the secularisation of education i.e. separation of temple/mosque/church whatever from schools? Is it a pragmatic idea?

Bonus question: do you think the origins of religion and their teachings should be taught to students below the 10th class and such lessons must be taught to only those who specialise in such subjects ?

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B1011 - Secularisation (Accession Declaration) Bill - Amendments Division

Secularisation (Accession Declaration) Bill

A01

Insert after "democratic process?" in 2(3): "Will you uphold the United Kingdom's status as an indissoluble nation and eternal home of all British people?", to read:

>President: Will you to the utmost of your power maintain and preserve the liberty and freedom of all peoples to exercise their faith and beliefs? Will you maintain and preserve the democratic right, and right of self determination, of all persons and realms you rule over? Will you respect and preserve the sovereignty of parliament and of the people, and not infringe or interfere in the democratic process? Will you uphold the United Kingdom's status as an indissoluble nation and eternal home of all British people?

This amendment was submitted by /u/Duncs11

Please vote Aye/No/Abstain only.

This division shall end on Thursday 28th May at 10PM BST.

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Research measuring the importance of religion in 109 countries spanning the 20th century has reignited an age-old debate around the link between secularisation and economic growth. The study has shown that a decline in religion influences a country's future economic prosperity advances.sciencemag.org/c…
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Putting aside how great fundamentalism dominates current Islam......... Why is it so hard for modernized un-radical Religious clergy like Imams (Esp Westernized and Secularised ones) to control over Muslims and prevent human violations In fact even conservatives Grand Muftis,etc even get killed!

I pointed out in another post at /r/ExMuslim about a Catholic priest calming down a Salvadorian family who wanted to kill their daughter who just lost their virginity and even convincing them to welcome her back with open arms and understanding (thus preventing any further violence against the girl as she came back home).

Now I chat with a Palestinian atheist on Discord (from a Maoronite background and pretty Westernized that he even admits back at home they'd stone him to death with laughing emoticon and joking tone). He states a big problem in the Arab world is the feuds between families. I asked doesn't Islam prevent that and why can't Imams stop both side. He says that any Imam who tries to but in would be killed and not just Imams but even a Grand Mufti can be targeted for violence. I was sincerely confused, pointing out the power priests have over Latin America so much that a single priest has ended blood feuds and bishops even both prevent and ed wars in countries across the region because of their influence. In addition before Pablo Escobar, priests even convinced drug cartels and other crime groups to back off their activities temporarily or at least lessen the the extent of their crimes. Priests have protected females and children from reprisals by gangs and other organizations. And thats not counting how grdy businessmen ended up donating to charity and improving working conditions because of a talk with a local priest.

He says the Imam is not seen in the same way as the priest is in strongly Catholic countries.

So I'd have t ask why? It seems even ultra radical fundamentalist conservative religious leaders have trouble trying to prevent feuds or or protect a teen boy who's being abused by a (hypocritically) drunk Arabic father. So much even far rightwing super conservative Grand Muftis have actually gotten killed for trying to set up peace talks at the cafe. And I don't even need to get into more Westernized and Secularized Imams who even get specifically targeted for Assassination by the PNA, Al Qaeda and other terrorists.

I thought these cultures esp Arabic nations are supposed to be fanatically devout? I get liberalised Muezzins and so on getting killed but how come even ultra conservative Mujtahids don't get followed and even get killed for **INFORMING local Muslims about verses from the Quran)?

I mean Latin America is very nasty, even reaching Arabic levels of oppression at times esp for the most conservative regions and ethnic groups

... keep reading on reddit ➑

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LB140 - Secularisation (Amendment) Bill - Closure Motion

My Lords,

The Right Honourable The Baron Downpatrick has moved that the question be asked for the Secularisation (Amendment) Bill.

The Question is that the question be put.

As many as are of that opinion say Content, to the contrary Not Content.

Clear the bar!

This division ends in 24 hours.

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B358 - Secularisation Bill

Order, order!

##Secularisation Bill

A bill to

BE IT ENACTED by the Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:β€”

###Part I: Definitions

#####Section 1: Definitions

  1. For the purposes of this act β€œState Schools” shall refer to all Maintained Schools, Academy Schools, Grammar Schools and any other State funded or organised school
  2. For the purposes of this act β€œFaith Schools” shall refer to any Maintained School, Academy School, Grammar School and any other State funded or organised school, which has the characteristics of a Faith School, including but not exclusive to religious admissions requirements, religious education bias towards one faith or denomination or an association with a local church or parish
  3. Religious Texts are specific holy books or scriptures that are central to a religion and are seen as such by said religion

###Part II: Disestablishment

#####Section 2: The State Churches

  1. The Church of England shall no longer be the State Church of England
  2. All connections between the Church of England and the British State shall be severed
  3. The Church of England has until the State Opening of Parliament following this act to implement any reforms to the Church of England that it deems necessary, after which the state shall take no responsibility of any involvement in the running of the Church of England
  4. The Church of Scotland shall no longer be the National Church of Scotland

###Part III: Governance

#####Section 3: Head of State

  1. The Head of State of the United Kingdom, the sitting British Monarch, shall no longer be required to be, and shall no longer be, the Supreme Governor of the Church of England

  2. It will no longer be a requirement for the monarch to be a member of the Church of England

  3. Any further restriction on the religion of the monarch or the royal family shall be abolished

  4. The Monarch shall not have any official role within any one specific religion

  5. The Royal Household shall create plans for a Secular Coronation that is representative of modern britain

  6. The Monarchs Style shall be:

    [Her/His] Majesty, … of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of [Her/His] other Realms and Territories [Queen/King], Head of the Commonwealth

    *… , Britanniarum Regnorumque Suorum Ceterorum [Regina/Rex], Consortionis Populorum Pri

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'Christmas has been hijacked' by Santa and reindeer, warns Irish Catholic priest: Father Desmond O'Donnell wants Catholics to take action before "secularisation continues to launder the Church". ibtimes.co.uk/christmas-h…
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B700 - Secularisation (Repeal) Bill 2018 - Second Reading

#Secularisation (Repeal) Bill 2018


A BILL TO

Repeal the Secularisation Act 2016 in its entirety.

BE IT ENACTED by the Queen’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:β€”

1. Repeals

(a) The Secularisation Act 2016 is repealed in its entirety.

2. Commencement, Short Title and Extent

(1) This Act shall extend to the whole United Kingdom.

(2) This Act shall come into force immediately upon Royal Assent.

(3) This Act may be cited as the Secularisation (Repeal) Bill 2018.


This bill was written and submitted by Sir Toastinrussian KG OM MVO MP PC, on behalf of the opposition.

This reading shall end on the 18th of October


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LB140 - Secularisation (Amendment) Bill 2018 - 2nd Reading Division

#Secularisation (Amendment) Bill

A Bill to remove the strict prohibition on religious conventions in the Houses of Parliament, while maintaining a secular legislature and supporting religious freedom.

BE IT ENACTED by the Queen's most excellent majesty, by and with the advice of the Lords Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:β€”

1 Removing prohibition on prayers

In the Secularisation Act 2016, omit section 5.

2 Short title, commencement and extent

(1) This Act may be cited as the Secularisation (Amendment) Act 2018.

(2) This Act commences immediately upon royal assent.

(3) Any amendment or repeal made by this Act has the same extent as the provision amended or repealed.


This bill was written by His Grace The Duke of Belfast, /u/IndigoRolo, as a private members bill.

This division will end on 18th 2018.

Clear the Bar!

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B700 - Secularisation (Repeal) Bill 2018 - VOTE NOW!

#Secularisation (Repeal) Bill 2018


A BILL TO

Repeal the Secularisation Act 2016 in its entirety.

BE IT ENACTED by the Queen’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:β€”

1. Repeals

(a) The Secularisation Act 2016 is repealed in its entirety.

2. Commencement, Short Title and Extent

(1) This Act shall extend to the whole United Kingdom.

(2) This Act shall come into force immediately upon Royal Assent.

(3) This Act may be cited as the Secularisation (Repeal) Bill 2018.


This bill was written and submitted by Sir Toastinrussian KG OM MVO MP PC, on behalf of the opposition.


This division will end on 15th November at 10PM

Vote Aye, No or Abstain only.

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Putting aside how great fundamentalism dominates current Islam......... Why is it so hard for modernized un-radical Religious clergy like Imams (Esp Westernized and Secularised ones) to control over Muslims and prevent human violations In fact even conservatives Grand Muftis,etc even get killed!

I pointed out in another post at /r/ExMuslim about a Catholic priest calming down a Salvadorian family who wanted to kill their daughter who just lost their virginity and even convincing them to welcome her back with open arms and understanding (thus preventing any further violence against the girl as she came back home).

Now I chat with a Palestinian atheist on Discord (from a Maoronite background and pretty Westernized that he even admits back at home they'd stone him to death with laughing emoticon and joking tone). He states a big problem in the Arab world is the feuds between families. I asked doesn't Islam prevent that and why can't Imams stop both side. He says that any Imam who tries to but in would be killed and not just Imams but even a Grand Mufti can be targeted for violence. I was sincerely confused, pointing out the power priests have over Latin America so much that a single priest has ended blood feuds and bishops even both prevent and ed wars in countries across the region because of their influence. In addition before Pablo Escobar, priests even convinced drug cartels and other crime groups to back off their activities temporarily or at least lessen the the extent of their crimes. Priests have protected females and children from reprisals by gangs and other organizations. And thats not counting how grdy businessmen ended up donating to charity and improving working conditions because of a talk with a local priest.

He says the Imam is not seen in the same way as the priest is in strongly Catholic countries.

So I'd have t ask why? It seems even ultra radical fundamentalist conservative religious leaders have trouble trying to prevent feuds or or protect a teen boy who's being abused by a (hypocritically) drunk Arabic father. So much even far rightwing super conservative Grand Muftis have actually gotten killed for trying to set up peace talks at the cafe. And I don't even need to get into more Westernized and Secularized Imams who even get specifically targeted for Assassination by the PNA, Al Qaeda and other terrorists.

I thought these cultures esp Arabic nations are supposed to be fanatically devout? I get liberalised Muezzins and so on getting killed but how come even ultra conservative Mujtahids don't get followed and even get killed for **INFORMING local Muslims about verses from the Quran)?

I mean Latin America is very nasty, even reaching Arabic levels of oppression at times esp for the most conservative regions and ethnic gr

... keep reading on reddit ➑

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LB140 - Secularisation (Amendment) Bill 2018 - FINAL Division

#Secularisation (Amendment) Bill

A Bill to remove the strict prohibition on religious conventions in the Houses of Parliament, while maintaining a secular legislature and supporting religious freedom.

BE IT ENACTED by the Queen's most excellent majesty, by and with the advice of the Lords Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:β€”

1 Removing prohibition on prayers

In the Secularisation Act 2016, omit section 5.

2 Short title, commencement and extent

(1) This Act may be cited as the Secularisation (Amendment) Act 2018.

(2) This Act commences immediately upon royal assent.

(3) Any amendment or repeal made by this Act has the same extent as the provision amended or repealed.


This bill was written by His Grace The Duke of Belfast, /u/IndigoRolo, as a private members bill.

This reading shall end on 29th.

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B592.2 Secularisation (Repeal) Bill 2018 - Final Division - VOTE NOW

#B592.2 Secularisation (Repeal) Bill 2018


A BILL TO repeal the Secularisation Act 2016 in its entirety.

BE IT ENACTED by the Queen’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:β€”

1. Repeals

(a) The Secularisation Act 2016 is repealed in its entirety.

2. Commencement, Short Title and Extent

(1) This Act shall extend to the whole United Kingdom.

(2) This Act shall come into force immediately upon Royal Assent.

(2) This Act comes into force 1st March 2020.

(3) This Act may be cited as the Secularisation (Repeal) Act 2018.


This bill was written and submitted by /u/Mcr3257, the Home Secretary, on behalf of the 16th Government.


This Vote shall end on 23 June.

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B592 - Secularisation (Repeal) Bill - 3rd Reading - FINAL DIVISION

##Secularisation (Repeal) Bill 2018

A BILL TO repeal the Secularisation Act 2016 in its entirety.

BE IT ENACTED by the Queen’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:β€”

1. Repeals

(a) The Secularisation Act 2016 is repealed in its entirety.

2. Commencement, Short Title and Extent

(1) This Act shall extend to the whole United Kingdom.

(2) This Act shall come into force immediately upon Royal Assent.

(2) This Act comes into force 1st March 2020.

(3) This Act may be cited as the Secularisation (Repeal) Act 2018.


This bill was written and submitted by /u/Mcr3257, the Home Secretary, on behalf of the 16th Government.


This division ends on 9th April.

Division! Clear the bar.

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Putting aside how great fundamentalism dominates current Islam......... Why is it so hard for modernized un-radical Religious clergy like Imams (Esp Westernized and Secularised ones) to control over Muslims and prevent human violations In fact even conservatives Grand Muftis,etc even get killed!

I pointed out in another post at /r/ExMuslim about a Catholic priest calming down a Salvadorian family who wanted to kill their daughter who just lost their virginity and even convincing them to welcome her back with open arms and understanding (thus preventing any further violence against the girl as she came back home).

Now I chat with a Palestinian atheist on Discord (from a Maoronite background and pretty Westernized that he even admits back at home they'd stone him to death with laughing emoticon and joking tone). He states a big problem in the Arab world is the feuds between families. I asked doesn't Islam prevent that and why can't Imams stop both side. He says that any Imam who tries to but in would be killed and not just Imams but even a Grand Mufti can be targeted for violence. I was sincerely confused, pointing out the power priests have over Latin America so much that a single priest has ended blood feuds and bishops even both prevent and ed wars in countries across the region because of their influence. In addition before Pablo Escobar, priests even convinced drug cartels and other crime groups to back off their activities temporarily or at least lessen the the extent of their crimes. Priests have protected females and children from reprisals by gangs and other organizations. And thats not counting how grdy businessmen ended up donating to charity and improving working conditions because of a talk with a local priest.

He says the Imam is not seen in the same way as the priest is in strongly Catholic countries.

So I'd have t ask why? It seems even ultra radical fundamentalist conservative religious leaders have trouble trying to prevent feuds or or protect a teen boy who's being abused by a (hypocritically) drunk Arabic father. So much even far rightwing super conservative Grand Muftis have actually gotten killed for trying to set up peace talks at the cafe. And I don't even need to get into more Westernized and Secularized Imams who even get specifically targeted for Assassination by the PNA, Al Qaeda and other terrorists.

I thought these cultures esp Arabic nations are supposed to be fanatically devout? I get liberalised Muezzins and so on getting killed but how come even ultra conservative Mujtahids don't get followed and even get killed for **INFORMING local Muslims about verses from the Quran)?

I mean Latin America is very nasty, even reaching Arabic levels of oppression at times esp for the most conservative regions and ethnic gr

... keep reading on reddit ➑

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Putting aside how great fundamentalism dominates current Islam......... Why is it so hard for modernized un-radical Religious clergy like Imams (Esp Westernized and Secularised ones) to control over Muslims and prevent human violations In fact even conservatives Grand Muftis,etc even get killed!

I pointed out in my other post about a Catholic priest calming down a Salvadorian family who wanted to kill their daughter who just lost their virginity and even convincing them to welcome her back with open arms and understanding (thus preventing any further violence against the girl as she came back home).

Now I chat with a Palestinian atheist on Discord (from a Maoronite background and pretty Westernized that he even admits back at home they'd stone him to death with laughing emoticon and joking tone). He states a big problem in the Arab world is the feuds between families. I asked doesn't Islam prevent that and why can't Imams stop both side. He says that any Imam who tries to but in would be killed and not just Imams but even a Grand Mufti can be targeted for violence. I was sincerely confused, pointing out the power priests have over Latin America so much that a single priest has ended blood feuds and bishops even both prevent and ed wars in countries across the region because of their influence. In addition before Pablo Escobar, priests even convinced drug cartels and other crime groups to back off their activities temporarily or at least lessen the the extent of their crimes. Priests have protected females and children from reprisals by gangs and other organizations. And thats not counting how grdy businessmen ended up donating to charity and improving working conditions because of a talk with a local priest.

He says the Imam is not seen in the same way as the priest is in strongly Catholic countries.

So I'd have t ask why? It seems even ultra radical fundamentalist conservative religious leaders have trouble trying to prevent feuds or or protect a teen boy who's being abused by a (hypocritically) drunk Arabic father. So much even far rightwing super conservative Grand Muftis have actually gotten killed for trying to set up peace talks at the cafe. And I don't even need to get into more Westernized and Secularized Imams who even get specifically targeted for Assassination by the PNA, Al Qaeda and other terrorists.

I thought these cultures esp Arabic nations are supposed to be fanatically devout? I get liberalised Muezzins and so on getting killed but how come even ultra conservative Mujtahids don't get followed and even get killed for **INFORMING local Muslims about verses from the Quran)?

I mean Latin America is very nasty, even reaching Arabic levels of oppression at times esp for the most conservative regions and ethnic groups such as Pe

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B420.C - Secularisation (Accession Declaration) Bill

##Secularisation (Accession Declaration) Bill

A bill to alter the form of the Declaration and Oath required to be made by the Sovereign on Accession; and for connected purposes.

BE IT ENACTED by the Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:β€”

###Part I: Repeal of Old Oaths

#####Section 1: Coronation Oath

  1. The Coronation Oath Act 1688 shall be repealed

#####Section 2: Declaration of Protestant Faith

  1. The Declaration of Protestant faith as set out in the Bill of Rights [1688] and amended by the Accession Declaration Act 1910 shall no longer be required or taken by a new Sovereign upon taking the throne.
  2. The Accession Declaration Act 1910 shall be repealed

###Part II: Accession Oaths and Declarations

#####Section 2: Accession Oath

  1. In the presence of the Accession council, formed of all Privy Counsellors, Great Officers of State, Realm High Commissioners and senior civil servants, the new Sovereign shall take the following oath, with the Lord President of the Council administering the questions.

    1. If the Sovereign chooses to have a Coronation Ceremony, this shall be the Oath administered by the Archbishop, however the oath must be also administered during the Accession council.
  2. The Oath Shall be:

    President: Is your Majesty willing to take the Oath?
    Sovereign: I am willing.

    President: Will you solemnly promise and swear to govern the Peoples of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, your other Realms and Territories, and the Commonwealth, according to their respective laws and customs?
    Sovereign: I solemnly promise so to do.

    President: Will you to your power cause Law and Justice, in Mercy, to be executed in all your judgements?
    Sovereign: I will.

    President: Will you to the utmost of your power maintain and preserve the liberty and freedom of all peoples to exercise their faith and beliefs? Will you maintain and preserve the democratic right, and right of self determination, of all persons and realms you rule over? Will you respect and preserve the sovereignty of parliament and of the people, and not infringe or interfere in the democratic process?
    Sovereign: All this I promise to do.

    Sovereign: *The things which I have here before promised, I

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Putting aside how great fundamentalism dominates current Islam......... Why is it so hard for modernized un-radical Religious clergy like Imams (Esp Westernized and Secularised ones) to control over Muslims and prevent human violations In fact even conservatives Grand Muftis,etc even get killed!

I pointed out in another post at /r/ExMuslim about a Catholic priest calming down a Salvadorian family who wanted to kill their daughter who just lost their virginity and even convincing them to welcome her back with open arms and understanding (thus preventing any further violence against the girl as she came back home).

Now I chat with a Palestinian atheist on Discord (from a Maoronite background and pretty Westernized that he even admits back at home they'd stone him to death with laughing emoticon and joking tone). He states a big problem in the Arab world is the feuds between families. I asked doesn't Islam prevent that and why can't Imams stop both side. He says that any Imam who tries to but in would be killed and not just Imams but even a Grand Mufti can be targeted for violence. I was sincerely confused, pointing out the power priests have over Latin America so much that a single priest has ended blood feuds and bishops even both prevent and ed wars in countries across the region because of their influence. In addition before Pablo Escobar, priests even convinced drug cartels and other crime groups to back off their activities temporarily or at least lessen the the extent of their crimes. Priests have protected females and children from reprisals by gangs and other organizations. And thats not counting how grdy businessmen ended up donating to charity and improving working conditions because of a talk with a local priest.

He says the Imam is not seen in the same way as the priest is in strongly Catholic countries.

So I'd have t ask why? It seems even ultra radical fundamentalist conservative religious leaders have trouble trying to prevent feuds or or protect a teen boy who's being abused by a (hypocritically) drunk Arabic father. So much even far rightwing super conservative Grand Muftis have actually gotten killed for trying to set up peace talks at the cafe. And I don't even need to get into more Westernized and Secularized Imams who even get specifically targeted for Assassination by the PNA, Al Qaeda and other terrorists.

I thought these cultures esp Arabic nations are supposed to be fanatically devout? I get liberalised Muezzins and so on getting killed but how come even ultra conservative Mujtahids don't get followed and even get killed for **INFORMING local Muslims about verses from the Quran)?

I mean Latin America is very nasty, even reaching Arabic levels of oppression at times esp for the most conservative regions and ethnic gr

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LB140 - Secularisation (Amendment) Bill 2018 - 2nd Reading

#Secularisation (Amendment) Bill

A Bill to remove the strict prohibition on religious conventions in the Houses of Parliament, while maintaining a secular legislature and supporting religious freedom.

BE IT ENACTED by the Queen's most excellent majesty, by and with the advice of the Lords Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:β€”

1 Removing prohibition on prayers

In the Secularisation Act 2016, omit section 5.

2 Short title, commencement and extent

(1) This Act may be cited as the Secularisation (Amendment) Act 2018.

(2) This Act commences immediately upon royal assent.

(3) Any amendment or repeal made by this Act has the same extent as the provision amended or repealed.


This bill was written by His Grace The Duke of Belfast, /u/IndigoRolo, as a private members bill.

This reading shall end on the 17th.

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B149 - Secularisation Bill - Second Reading

Order, order.

###Secularisation Bill

A Bill to

Separate church and state, secularise all parts of the British State, sever any connection between the head of state or government and any particular faith and secularise state education

BE IT ENACTED by The Queen’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Commons in this present Parliament assembled, in accordance with the provisions of the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, and by the authority of the same, as follows:β€”

#Part I

##Definitions

Section 1: Definitions

  1. For the purposes of this act β€œState Schools” shall refer to all Maintained Schools, Academy Schools, Grammar Schools and any other State funded or organised school, with the exception of designated Faith Schools
  2. Faith Schools are exempt from the provisions referring to State Schools, and the only provisions that apply to Faith Schools are ones that explicitly refer to Faith Schools
  3. Religious Texts are specific holy books or scriptures that are central to a religion and are seen as such by said religion

#Part II

##Disestablishment

Section 2: The State Churches

  1. The Church of England shall no longer be the State Church of England
  2. All connections between the Church of England and the British State shall be severed
  3. The Church of England has until the State Opening of Parliament following this act to implement any reforms to the Church of England that it deems necessary, after which the state shall take no responsibility of any involvement in the running of the Church of England
  4. The Church of Scotland shall no longer be the National Church of Scotland

#Part III

##Governance

Section 3: Head of State

  1. It shall no longer be a requirement for the Head of State of the United Kingdom, the sitting British Monarch, to be Supreme Governor of the Church of England
  2. The Monarch shall no longer be the Defender of the Faith
  3. It will no longer be a requirement for the monarch to be a member of the Church of England
  4. Any further restriction on the religion of the monarch or the royal family shall be abolished
  5. The Monarch shall not have any official role within any one specific religion
  6. The Royal Household shall create plans for a Secular Coronation that is representative of modern britain There will be no requirement for the coronation to be a religious ceremony, and shall be the ultimate decision of the Heir Apparent
  7. [**The M
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Putting aside how great fundamentalism dominates current Islam......... Why is it so hard for modernized un-radical Religious clergy like Imams (Esp Westernized and Secularised ones) to control over Muslims and prevent human violations In fact even conservatives Grand Muftis,etc even get killed!

I pointed out in another post at /r/ExMuslim about a Catholic priest calming down a Salvadorian family who wanted to kill their daughter who just lost their virginity and even convincing them to welcome her back with open arms and understanding (thus preventing any further violence against the girl as she came back home).

Now I chat with a Palestinian atheist on Discord (from a Maoronite background and pretty Westernized that he even admits back at home they'd stone him to death with laughing emoticon and joking tone). He states a big problem in the Arab world is the feuds between families. I asked doesn't Islam prevent that and why can't Imams stop both side. He says that any Imam who tries to but in would be killed and not just Imams but even a Grand Mufti can be targeted for violence. I was sincerely confused, pointing out the power priests have over Latin America so much that a single priest has ended blood feuds and bishops even both prevent and ed wars in countries across the region because of their influence. In addition before Pablo Escobar, priests even convinced drug cartels and other crime groups to back off their activities temporarily or at least lessen the the extent of their crimes. Priests have protected females and children from reprisals by gangs and other organizations. And thats not counting how grdy businessmen ended up donating to charity and improving working conditions because of a talk with a local priest.

He says the Imam is not seen in the same way as the priest is in strongly Catholic countries.

So I'd have t ask why? It seems even ultra radical fundamentalist conservative religious leaders have trouble trying to prevent feuds or or protect a teen boy who's being abused by a (hypocritically) drunk Arabic father. So much even far rightwing super conservative Grand Muftis have actually gotten killed for trying to set up peace talks at the cafe. And I don't even need to get into more Westernized and Secularized Imams who even get specifically targeted for Assassination by the PNA, Al Qaeda and other terrorists.

I thought these cultures esp Arabic nations are supposed to be fanatically devout? I get liberalised Muezzins and so on getting killed but how come even ultra conservative Mujtahids don't get followed and even get killed for **INFORMING local Muslims about verses from the Quran)?

I mean Latin America is very nasty, even reaching Arabic levels of oppression at times esp for the most conservative regions and ethnic groups

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B420 - Secularisation (Accession Declaration) Bill - VOTE NOW

Order, order!

Link to commons debate


##Secularisation (Accession Declaration) Bill

A bill to alter the form of the Declaration and Oath required to be made by the Sovereign on Accession; and for connected purposes.

BE IT ENACTED by the Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:β€”

###Part I: Repeal of Old Oaths

#####Section 1: Coronation Oath

  1. The Coronation Oath Act 1688 shall be repealed

#####Section 2: Declaration of Protestant Faith

  1. The Declaration of Protestant faith as set out in the Bill of Rights [1688] and amended by the Accession Declaration Act 1910 shall no longer be required or taken by a new Sovereign upon taking the throne.
  2. The Accession Declaration Act 1910 shall be repealed

###Part II: Accession Oaths and Declarations

#####Section 2: Accession Oath

  1. In the presence of the Accession council, formed of all Privy Counsellors, Great Officers of State, Realm High Commissioners and senior civil servants, the new Sovereign shall take the following oath, with the Lord President of the Council administering the questions.

    1. If the Sovereign chooses to have a Coronation Ceremony, this shall be the Oath administered by the Archbishop, however the oath must be also administered during the Accession council.
  2. The Oath Shall be:

    President: Is your Majesty willing to take the Oath?
    Sovereign: I am willing.

    President: Will you solemnly promise and swear to govern the Peoples of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, your other Realms and Territories, and the Commonwealth, according to their respective laws and customs?
    Sovereign: I solemnly promise so to do.

    President: Will you to your power cause Law and Justice, in Mercy, to be executed in all your judgements?
    Sovereign: I will.

    President: *Will you to the utmost of your power maintain and preserve the liberty and freedom of all peoples to exercise their faith and beliefs? Will you maintain and preserve the democratic right, and right of self determination, of all persons and realms you rule over? Will you respect and preserve the sovereignty of parliament and of the people, and not infringe or interfere in

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