I’m an INFJ married to an ENTP who continuously refers to MBTI in a fashion similar to the one quoted above. Hoping you guys can share some of your own experiences on how you got into MBTI to help give me some insight on how I can get him to be more open and understanding about the topic.
Edit: Thank you guys for all the comments! It’s been super fun reading them all to my ENTP. He says if indeed any of this crap is true, he is proud to be an ENTP because his people are awesome! 🤣❤️❤️
I am a student who is studying to be a chiropractor and I hear all the time about how chiropractic doesn’t work or that we aren’t “real” doctors. For starters, our education material is accredited and reviewed constantly to continue giving us an official doctorate degree that is nationally recognized. I get that I am going to be biased on this topic, but we have taken the educational steps to earn our doctorate degree and are trained in how to be a health care provider. Not that we replace a GP, but we can offer advice within our own field that can be advantageous for a patient’s health and well-being.
For anyone who doesn’t know, a chiropractor is a doctor who is trained to manipulate joints and use noninvasive methods for clearing occluded nerve pathways which then allow the body to properly communicate with itself. While I’m not a “chiropractic puritan” who believes that chiropractic can be used as a substitute for proper medical care and a cure all for everything, I do believe that it is beneficial for people who want to try and alleviate back pain, headaches, and other structural issues.
Another thing I’ve heard is many people throw out is the research disproving chiropractic care but never talk about the studies that have been done by board certified MDs that show it does work. There are plenty of studies, as with any other practice, that supports and doesn’t support chiropractic practice. Also, many people talk about how chiropractic puts stresses and twists the cervical arteries and how that’s dangerous. While we are completely aware of the anatomy and important structures in the neck, we are trained in safe adjusting techniques to avoid hazardous actions that could harm the arteries of the neck.
Added Edit: I’ve noticed that a lot of people are talking about comparing a DC (doctorate of chiropractic) to an MD (doctorate of medicine). I should have been clearer in this post that I am by no means saying that I am an MD. I recognize how this may be confusing for some, but by me saying “real doctor,” I’m not implying or claiming to be an MD. By “real doctor,” I am meaning that I have a legitimate doctorate degree in my profession and we are taught medical skills on how to detect certain issues involving cardiovascular, respiratory, digestive, dermatological pathology, and more so that we can refer patients to a professional who can treat them.
I (20F) am a neuroscience major. I have a friend (18F) who is a psychology major. The problem for me is that she keeps sharing posts about “psychology” that are not rooted in science at all. (Stuff about training your subconscious mind, Freudian stuff that has been debunked, and even things about astrology, connecting with your “divine feminine” and connecting to spirit guides and star families and things like that.)
I’ve been ignoring these posts for awhile and I want to be respectful- I understand that my friend considers herself to be spiritual and believes in dualistic consciousness. I have not argued with her that magic crystals, tarot cards, and other “magic” is unscientific because she considers that to be part of her spirituality and I don’t like to disrespect anybody’s religion or anything. But when a person whose bio shows that they are getting a BA in psychology starts sharing posts purporting to be about psychology that are utterly false, I feel like there is a danger of misinformation being spread and the integrity of the field being sullied in the name of “spiritual healing” or whatever.
I want to say something and send my friend some peer-reviewed articles and papers that will debunk everything she shares on social media. However, I also understand that my friend suffers from depression and OCD, and her spirituality and positive affirmations and that kind of thing are helping her to feel better. Because of that, I don’t want to tear apart something that is helping her mental well-being. But also if I saw someone spreading falsehoods about any other topic (biology, current events, etc) I would immediately inform them of the error, so I don’t want to make any exceptions here. Also it wouldn’t bother me if it happened once or twice, but this has been a very consistent occurrence which is what bothers me.
EDIT FOR INFO:
1)The reason I am so invested in this person is because we are pretty close (she isn’t just some girl I know). We were roommates this past semester so we spent a lot of time together and trust and respect each other. I always avoid conflict so I avoided addressing a lot of actual roommate conflicts these past few months, which I think affects my tone here.. I also care about her as a person, which is why I care about her beliefs.
- As an (upcoming) neuroscientist I have a LOT of very major frustrations with pop psychology in general. It’s a pet peeve of mine, and something I used to talk about a LOT more openly before I b
Articles that say things like "study finds people who enjoy black coffee are more likely to be psychopaths". Spreading misinformation can be dangerous. You can see this in the real world with the detox craze that happened around 5 years ago.
Yesterday I saw a video about black hole mentioned in the Quran and the video was uploaded by Channel 24. This is ridiculous! Zakir Naik's so called "Peace TV" was banned from Bangladesh for the same reason. I had a friend from Oman who understands Arabic and he was religious. He didn't believe any of these bullshit reinterpretation that shows the science of Quran. Because he knows Arabic.
So stop spreading misinformation and pseudoscience using the mainstream media. I'm feeling like Bangladesh is moving backwards.
UPDATE: I'm seeing many biased Muslims arguing in the comment section. Here is a video for them about every scientific mistakes of the Quran. Pakistani government banned this video from their country. https://youtu.be/8yMD99gyr14
This is as ridiculous as it gets. Blindfolded girl touches and smells objects and recognizes color and reads out number on currency notes. Her father promotes this as scientific method and sells it as a course. And the so called sharks commenting how amazing this is and debating whether how can be deployed into Ed tech and online business. Who the f approved to air this shit..
Edit : Adding relevant links
For something to be considered "scientific" it has to pass the scientific method,
In other words, your hypothesis/system of rules must have some predictive utility otherwise its pseudoscience.
Let's put this to test, let's take astrology for example, astrology clearly has no predictive power so it's complete bullshit.
Can anyone here think of a scenario where you can prove mbti has predictive utility? If not mbti is useless and I'd like to think it's not.
EDIT: basically everyone in this post so far has with sheer confidence stated mbti is a pseudoscience hence has no predictive utility,
Now I'll explain my scenario for proving mbti has predictive power in predicting human behaviour.
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Make a +95% accurate mbti test
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Test x amount of people (1000 will do)
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Put all these people into a one place and force each individual to talk to another one for atleast 15 minutes, repeat a good few times,
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At the end of all the 1x1 interactions let each individual pair up with whoever they want to pair up with.
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RESULTS, this is where the predictive evidence is clear, at the end of the test when random participants are paired up with another, you should see a rather high amount of types that paired up with another type with flipped functions e.g. infp x enfj.
In reading Wikipedia's entry on History of Astrology I found it quite biased and offensive in asserting that astrology is a pseudoscience with no scientific basis.
My own feelings are that it has made genuine contributions to science and should at least be allowed the dignity of being considered proto-science.
Many scientific discoveries likely would never have occurred without astrology raising questions that science eventually answered. And mathematical empirical analysis owes itself in part to astrological observations of cycles.
In short, pseudoscience is a pejorative term that needs to be done away with.
I'm dealing with a family member who is impressionable to a lot of things, many Q related, and RH negative claims are starting to come up more frequently in conversations
Some of the claims I'm hearing include "People with RH- blood types:
- Can cause electronics to go haywire (Anything from watches to Ipads to lights and appliances)
- Are descendents from aliens
- Can't get the covid vaccine because of increased risk of adverse effects..."
That last really motivated me to go looking for help...
But as usual, in conversation I'm met with the expected "I've done a lot of reasearch"... Well, I have a basic understanding of how the circulatory system works, as well as what conspiracy theories smell like, and I think it's time to nip this in the ass...
Anyway, I've done some googling, even looking for some conspiracy claims, but all I seem to find is related to blood transfusions and complications with pregnancy...
Has anyone else dealt with this, and does anyone have any tips for shutting it down? Does anyone know of somewhere I can acquaint myself with the claims of this pseudoscience as well as the actual science I can use to combat it?
Please and thank you for any and all help!
For the matter of context, there are some pseudosciences that uses mysticism (or plain magical thinking) like Reiki, the usual stuff from the Traditional Chinese Medicine, Theta healing... I dunno how it is the discussion in U.S. or U.K., but in Brazil some pseudosciences got federal funding and integrated on Brazilian public health care (yep, that bad). And since then, there were a lot of criticisms of these pseudosciences being funded by tax money.
Later, some influencers criticize some pseudosciences in general, either using mysticism or not (but let's focus on mysticism). And those criticisms are quite valid, and using the tradition stuff from the logic and the epistemology of science, such as the classic Double-blind Study, and other arguments you probably know, in order to educate people to science and not fall for pseudosciences.
The thing is, when you try to expand this on mysticism in general, you would suffer some backlash. Like you shouldn't do this like the meme from Sakurai. It quite seems that it is "valid" to do that on pseudosciences but not mysticism on general for... morality?
It seems wrong.
And not just seems wrong, but it falls (IMO) on some crazy twist: if you can apply this on plain pseudosciences, but not on mysticism in general, how can you be so sure that this only applies on pseudosciences but not on mysticism in general? Well, they don't. They just want to appeal nicely to the general public while sacrificing your intellectual honesty.
I just started in PP this year after transitioning from case management. I started learning a lot about IFS, and Trauma. That lead me towards research in Somatic Experiencing and Neuropsychology. I've seen people in these communities also talking about polyvagal theory, and I have seen a lot of criticism around it too. I recently came across Rick Hansen and Arnold Mindell. Really intrigued by their work and at the same time, I see some practitioners overlapping some of these ideas to things like "Quantum Touch" and "Reiki." I don't know much about these things but have previously never considered them to have any validity. I had a client (vague to respect HIPPA) heal a physical manifestation of their autoimmune disorder through hypnosis after a nurses recommendation when nothing else was working. Recent research in metabolic dysfunction and the ATP response combined with all of these experiences has me re-evaluating my skepticism in some areas.
I guess I just wanted to gauge what other professionals out there think of what is emerging in the field, and if you've some across any particular dangerous pseudo-sciency interventions.
Transphobia is still transphobia and all transphobes have flat asses and get no bitches
There are some posts on this sub that are filled with pseudoscience and complete garbage opinions and this really takes away the fact that some supplements are working and to get more research in to these things we need to scientifically look at everything. I always see completely unrelated supplements that have never even been talked about for a certain problem. Or check your testosterone for nothing pointing towards low testosterone.
I've been seeing a lot of claims lately about women "destroying their ability to pair bond"- typically attributed to sleeping around or feminism or whatever. As a biology student, I want to set the record straight. There are a few scientists who claim to be studying if humans have a comparable trait, but there is no conclusive proof, and human behavior throughout the millennia clearly does not fit the definition of true pair bonding.
Firstly, pair bonding is a trait some bird species have. Rarely mammals, and not primates. The pair bonding does not mean they are sexually monogamous. They prefer a certain partner. Their lack of monogamy doesn’t destroy their pair bond. So the claim that “a female who has any previous partners at all can’t pair bond” doesn’t even apply to animals that do pair bond.
Secondly, in species that do pair bond, you can't "destroy" it. It's their natural instinct. They don't have to be told to do it, or threatened with consequences for not doing so. It's like saying frogs destroyed their ability to fly. It just isn't something they do.
Thirdly, in species that pair bond, it's not exclusive to one gender. It's called PAIR bonding because both partners do it. If these guys sincerely believed humans did this and the ability could be lost, they would be just as adamant about men not sleeping around. This is just another attempt to scare and manipulate women into buying into their "only obedient virgin women will ever be loved!" tripe.
If you see this nonsense, now you know exactly why they're wrong.
Edit: correction as per ornithologists. Apologies for the mistake, I’m still learning.
A lot of people die and a lot of progress is gone because of fear/prejudices instilled by misinformation.
As a healthy society, we should monitor and actively fight hoaxers.
Any "muh freedom of speech" by hoax spreaders should be ignored. It would just add responsibility for spreading dangerous falsehoods.
Preferably, each case of should be judged in the presence of committee of specialists in a given field.
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Friends, I went down a rabbit hole today. I came out with an entirely different view on lie detector testing, and its use by law enforcement. When Don and Candus told us that they've both passed a polygraph, several folks here were adamant that lie detectors are wackery. I wanted to update my own opinion.
Before I began the research I was neutral about their use. Because polygraph results have been inadmissible in the courtroom, I concluded that experts know better than I do. Basically a polygraph tests for stress NOT TRUTH and works on the assumption that most people are more stressed when they lie. Stress is tricky as a measurement because stress affects everyone differently, right? I'd be so stressed to take a lie detector!
I didn't dive into 'how to beat a lie detector test'. There are many pages devoted to 'How To' and a great resource is antipolygraph.com Can you beat a test? Yes. But.....if you're being tested by an EXPERT administrator of the polygraph....not so fast.
There's apparently an argument to be made by LE experts that polygraphs CAN BE accurate when a skilled tester is administering them. They have data and results so there's that. Polygraphs are considered within LE to be a useful investigator's tool, and according to the experts, the intimidation factor of taking the test often helps the investigator determine more about the way a person reacts to direct questioning. Also, if someone is unwilling to take one, that's a signal to the investigator.
In the case of Don and Candus, they've both said they passed the lie detector test. If the test was given to intimidate them, to see how they responded to direct questioning, then the question would be - what did the investigators learn from that testing?
P.S. Here's something interesting I learned:
Polygraphy is big business. In 2019, Wired Magazine reported that in the U.S., an estimated 2.5 million polygraph tests are given each year, with the majority given to police officers, firemen, paramedics, and state troopers. The average cost of each test is over $700, thus making the polygraph business a $2 billion a year industry.
Not a total beginner to the subject, but my only experience with philosophy is one low-level college course. Still, I found Karl Popper's writing of demarcation really inyeresting. It seems obviously flawed but opens up a lot of discussion about what demarcation criterion should be. I feel like pseudoscience and it's definition is also really relevant to discussions today about, like, misinformation/"" censorship"" in climate change/vaccines/etc. I'd love to know what philosophers think of the issue and how it's been refined since Popper.
What are some important books or articles on the Topic? Thanks!!
https://www.wired.com/story/youtube-body-language/
I saw many of these YouTube videos a long time ago and they always smelled of BS. Especially the Chris Watts analysis they linked, which has so many assumptions about things that seemed very ambiguous to me, and yet the guy narrating states matter of factly what it is.
Internet sleuths are the worst.
Back in April, there was a thread suggesting that there should be a list of untrustworthy ADHD resources on the sub. A mod (nerdshark) commented a list of some pseudoscientific and unreliable resources, and listed ADDitude Magazine as one of them and linked the Auto Moderator's comment as to why (which I'm sure is going to pop up on this thread):
>Links to and mentions of ADDitude are not allowed on r/adhd because we feel they have demonstrated themselves to be untrustworthy and that they, despite soliciting donations from people with ADHD to fund their operation, prioritize profit and advertising dollars over our best interests. Their website is full of articles promoting the use of homeopathy, reiki, and other unscientific quack practices. They also have had articles for Vayarin (a medical food that is now no longer sold in the US because its research was bunk) that suspiciously looked like stealth advertisements (which is highly unethical and illegal in the US).
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>We also find it problematic that their medical review panel includes not only legitimate doctors and psychologists, but also (at the time of writing) one practitioner of integrative medicine, which combines legit medical practice with pseudoscience and alternative medicine. They have previously had other quacks on the panel as well.
(It also has relevant links if you want to check that out)
I was surprised by this because I thought they were a good source for information and ADHD tips, and I remember feeling betrayed when I found that out. What especially surprised me, though, was the fact that ADDitude had a pro-science rating on Media Bias Fact Check. This was concerning to me considering that it seems to have a lot of pseudoscientific content, and I trust Media Bias Fact Check a lot.
Cut to a few days ago when I was changing some of the passwords on my account, and decided to do it for ADDitude as well. While I was on the website, I got a bit curious about some of the articles and started looking through the site a bit. I did end up witnessing the pseudoscience first hand on their products page: https://imgur.com/a/H2WX72c
One of the products listed under "Products for Parents" is "Coromega O
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