Simple question. Did the writers of both narratives agree on the need for an expulsion and feel the one explanation was satisfactory? Was there more disagreement about creation than expulsion. Did one of the creation narratives not have the garden of eden?
I first encountered this as a brief aside in How God Became King by NT Wright, where he indicates that in the climax of the story God creates man when you would have expected a graven image to be erected. A little bit of searching yields a few blogs, articles, and books. It seems that the seven day creation is the crux of the thesis, but I haven't found any 7-day temple construction narratives, only seven-year construction narratives and some 7-day consecration stories, and nothing to corroborate this idea of the graven image.
Is this the primary paradigm in which scholars understand the creation narrative in Genesis 1? What are some comparable contemporary narratives? What theological claims can be inferred from this structural similarity?
For me, I have always thought of Genesis 1 as being a true, historical account of God creating the heavens and the earth and making the world fit for human beings. I have even been able to reconcile that for myself with the geologic, scientific history of the Earth. But I think there is a drift among younger generations of Christians from creationism (often Young Earth) to theistic evolution to agnostic evolution, and then to leaving the church. I wonder if this is because of a lack of good resources helping Christians to integrate science and faith, like I have been able to do for myself.
Should Genesis 1 be reconciled with geology, and if so, how? Or should it be regarded as non-scientific, non-historical literature? How do you deal with this? How important is this?
This is an impression I have from a couple of things: the archons are associated with planets, Yaldabaoth is a snake (like Atum), I'm pretty sure the tripartite tractate talks about the archons that the word (Sophia) produces being in conflict with one another, which sort of reminds me of the enuma elish.
But I'm not confident enough in my knowledge to say. So I'd like if someone else could confirm or deny this thesis and supplant it with proper reasons.
I have always been a faithful christian but I find that the genesis creation narrative in the bible is completely wrong! Darwin's theory of evolution conflicts with the one with God. I refuse to believe the bible on that one, but it affects my faith.
We know based of studying the genre and style of writing of Genesis 1 and 2 that these are creation myths that aren't meant to be taken literally. That's not a bad thing and doesn't undermine the validity of the narrative. If anything, as a Christian, I believe the fruits of historical criticism makes our understanding of the Genesis account much more interesting.
Modern Biblical scholarship recognizes that the Pentateuch and much of the Hebrew Bible has it's origins in the JEDP sources. J=Jawist source, E=Elohim source, D=Deuteronomist source, P=Priestly Source. Genesis 1 according to Biblical scholarship comes from the P source. It has the same authorship as the Book of Leviticus. That's important because many scholars(like Margaret Barker) argue that the Genesis account is using the analogy of a Temple. In Ancient times, when a Temple was being constructed for a god, there was a temple dedication ceremony(liturgy) after the construction that lasted for 7 days. After that time period the image of the God being honored was placed in the Temple. Genesis 1 is using that analogy to speak about creation. The Cosmos was seen as being analagous to the Temple, and the creation of the cosmos is seen as a liturgical event. Now this analogy of Temple and liturgy for creation fits well with how the Church Fathers saw humanity's role in creation. Church Fathers like Gregory of Nyssa and Maximus the Confessor saw man as a priest to creation.
Now, speaking as a Christian, that to me is a much more interesting read of the creation narrative in Genesis and is definitely more interesting than the creation-evolution debate that pretty much misses the point of the text entirely(I accept evolution by the way).
For those who believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis, how is it that you reconcile the fact that Chapters 1 and 2 are clearly different stories?
Chapter one talks of God speaking the world into existence, finishing by speaking man into existence from above.
Chapter two, on the other hand, talks about God creating Adam (translating literally to "Earth creature" or "Dirt creature") out of dirt and then raising up trees around the earth creature and creating animals and bringing them to the earth creature to name.
So which is it?
To me, these stories are clearly more meant to be a characterization of who God is to humans and who humans are to God. God is the creator, intelligent through the use of speech and we are made in God's image. But God is also a craftsman and demonstrates practices relatable to people at the time and humans are created to name animals (language setting them apart from animals as language was used to create in the first myth).
How do you reconcile these two stories into one story and still claim you're taking the Bible "literally" when you're clearly reconciling conflicting details?
24 x 24 x 24 x 24 x 24 x 24 x 24 = 4.58 billion, the official proposed age of the Earth!
Notice that the secular establishment merely multiplied 24 by itself 7 times. This corresponds to 7 intervals of 24 hour days of the Creation Week in Genesis.
Now take that number 4,586,471,424 (proposed age of the Earth) and multiply it by 3 for the esoteric Trinity, and you get 13.7 billion - the official proposed age of the Universe by the establishment!
We should all feel pain and deep pity for the immense number of lost souls deceived by their cunning lies. The establishment education system is a Masonic propaganda factory with victims rewarded with degrees and money for pride and greed. Question everything my brave friends!
I know that the general understanding is that the Torah was written down (allegedly by Moses) anywhere between 1200-500 AD.
However, my understanding is that the early Hebrew tribes had a very strong oral tradition. Is the idea that Genesis was an oral tradition long before it was actually scribed?
Much thanks!
S
What the creation narratives* of your worlds? How well do they align with how the world was actually created?
*I’m including pop science simplifications like the Big Bang narrative into this
I'm probably being dumb but I can't figure out if you can have multiple fire teams in your data slate for Space Marines.
For example, I make a kill team following the rules for choosing a kill team in the compendium, so I choose a Heavy Intercessor Fire Team. This is my kill team on my Data Slate, I got that.
However, can I later choose other fire teams, or can I only have Heavy Intercessors in my Data Slate? I saw the requisition for one Operative for one Requisition, but I can't figure out if I can buy a Tactical Marine to start a new Fire Team or if I can only choose Heavy Intercessors.
Sorry if this is hard to understand, im having trouble figuring out how to put my question in to words. Thanks for the help.
Anyone got a link to the, I think, Sunday strip where Calvin recreates the biblical creation. Maybe it's one of the one offs for the books. Just can't find it. Thanks in advance.
Anyone have a copy for sale? It was recommended to me to read before seminary at Jordanville. Currently way overpriced being out of print, and I'm not getting answers on when it'll be reprinted.
I do better with physical books vs kindle, so if anyone has a copy they're done with and wanted to pass on at a normal or slightly inflated cost I'd be very very grateful!
