I’ve seen people say both so was just curious, the Old High Church party with people like William Laud and Lancelot Andrewes fascinates me. I heard from someone that “English Arminianism” isnt what actual Arminianism is and instead just meant not Calvinist.
My Grandma and i can't remember where we saw a scene where a woman is talking to elder males ( i think they were russians or arminians) and is telling a story about a guy (I think is her dad) who used to walk long distance with a box of candys trying to sell them until one day he finds a military base and realized that he didn't have to walk too much to sell his candys if he only shows to the base right after lunch to sell all his candys to soldiers craving a desert. Thanks to everyone for taking the time to read this and i hope i described the scene enough.
Hey everyone, I normally ferment Boston pickling cucumbers but have a plethora of Arminian cucumbers right now. I am considering brining both in a crock but would love to know what you guys think of Arminian fermented cucumbers sliced and spears and the results. Texture, taste, ex. Thanks for the help!
Majority of us here are reformed or at least Calvinistic. It’ll be natural for us to read and/or listen to a lot of Calvinist theologians/preachers/authors. However, I can name some Arminian authors from whom I profited from. I’m curious if you guys have that too.
I’ll start. Maybe this is too mainstream but C.S. Lewis all the way. He is not even evangelical but some of his thoughts are so compelling that maybe apart from the Bible, he’s the most influential for me. (On a second thought, I dunno if they are in the same level as John Piper for me, though John Piper heavily quotes him anyway.)
As someone who is undecided on the Calvinist/Arminian debate, and who has been reading the works of Calvin, Edwards, and Augustine, I thought it would only be fair if I aquatinted myself with the best arguments from the other side, but I don’t know what to read, any suggestions?
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I get that this is a reformed subreddit, and I'm a calvinist myself, but I always like to hear from the other side. In my circles soteriology isn't often debated that much, so I'm not that big on other interpretations of this widely talked about chapter.
This AI allows laymen to access the hidden secrets of the Bible. I shall now reveal my findings.
I input this line from Jesus Paid It All – not technically scripture, but hey, it’s close enough.
> Jesus paid it all, all to Him I owe. Son has left a crimson stain, but He washed it white as snow.
> “Son”
I’m sure that typo won’t come back to bite us later.
Without further ado, here’s what the (rankly heretical) GTP-2 neural network says about Jesus:
> Jesus paid it all, all to Him I owe. Son has left a crimson stain, but He washed it white as snow. (Romans 4:19)
> The New Testament is silent on why Jesus left his inheritance, his sins, his blood and his body to be given to a good nation. The New Testament makes it clear that the world hates the blood of Christ, that it would not accept him as king (Matthew 22:33; Acts 17:33). In Acts, Christ is seen as an idol. Yet, when His sins are forgiven, we are told,
> You are the new birth of all righteousness; And the Lord hath put you out of the world to be glorified. (Galatians 2:11-12) Christ as king gave this nation all righteousness by His death and resurrection. Jesus was then and is again a King of Israel, an ideal and model for all believers, of the Israelite, that are not the Pharisees (Acts 16:37-44).
> Christ came into this world believing that every man can choose faith or disbelieve, because, "every one that seeth me knoweth me, and every one that is left of my people knoweth me. (John 20:10) "He was in the form of King, God of Israel, to give to his people the hope of God; and this was not to bring glory unto his people, but to give to every one. By the grace of God, if any man shall believe in him, the kingdom of heaven is with him, and he shall have it again (Matthew 19:8-9). Christ, as a true prophet, has revealed that true belief is possible if one who has faith is given the faith that will come into him, which, through the Holy Spirit, is to find satisfaction for all that are without (Luke 2:31). I will have none for my sins; but I will forgive you your trespasses: for when I forgive you your trespasses, I will also forgive you your sins (Matthew 11:17).
Read this great quote from John Newton, writing to a young Baptist pastor, about his attitude toward Arminians - and thought I would share:
>You say, ‘I have aimed to displease the Arminians’, I had rather you had aimed to be useful to them, than to displease them. There are many Arminians who are so only for want of clearer light. They fear the Lord, and walk humbly before him. And as they go on by an increasing acquaintance with their own hearts and the word of God, their objections and difficulties gradually subside. And in the Lord’s time (for he is the only effectual teacher) they receive the doctrines of grace which they were once afraid of.
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>Now these should not be displeased, by our endeavoring to declare the truth in terms the most offensive to them which we can find, but we should rather seek out the softest and most winning way of encountering their prejudices. Otherwise we make a parade, and grow big with a sense of our own wisdom and importance, but we shall do little good. Our Lord you know taught his disciples as they were able to bear it, he did not aim to displease them though it is pretty plain they had a good deal of the Arminian spirit in them for some time after they began to follow him.
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>You will perhaps say, 'An humble Arminian! Surely that is impossible.' I believe it not more impossible to find a humble Arminian, than a proud and self-sufficient Calvinist. The doctrines of grace are humbling, that is in their power and experience, but a man may hold them all in the notion, and be very proud. He certainly is so, if he thinks his assenting to them is a proof of his humility, and despises others as proud and ignorant in comparison of himself.
Lord, keep us humble!
This argument is more logical then biblical.
The doctrine states that though the death of Jesus Christ is sufficient to atone for the sins of the whole world, it was the intention of God the Father that the atonement of Christ's death would work itself out in the elect only, thereby leading them without fail to salvation.
God knows the future. He knows the perfect number of all those that will be saved. Unless you are an open theist, we can all agree on this. Jesus's atoning death was only meant to be for all those who will be saved, all those who will recieve eternal life.
If you say no Jesus died for someone who will go to hell, who will recieve the second death, then that is to say not even God could save them since God died for them and they still went to hell. And since God is almighty, that doesnt make any sense. God can save anyone he wants. Paul on the road to damascus would make a believer out of anyone. And my testimony, which is pinned in my profile, is living proof that God still uses miraculous supernatural events to save people. So God can save anyone he wants, so it doesnt make sense to say that someone went to hell despite God dying for them.
So limited atonement works for even arminians, but it is definitely more powerful and more fulfilling in reformed theology. Hebrews 7, Romans 8 & 9, Ephesians 1 & 2, Revelation 13, John 6, etc. Jesus is able to save all that the father gives him to the uttermost predestined before the world began because man is changed and born again by the holy spirit, irresistible grace, to repent and believe in Jesus.
I belong to a church where there is a presence of Calvinism among the preacher as well as some of the elders and deacons. but then there are also many that identify as Arminian and then some that probably have no idea what the difference is. Everyone gets along great, I’ve never heard anyone argue soteriology, and Calvinism is never really preached aside from a few things I don’t think most people would pick up on (penal substitution, etc). Does anyone else belong to a church like this and has there ever been division among the members?
Has anyone fermented sliced and spears of Arminian cucumber? I typically prefer pickling cucumbers but I have a plethora of Arminian cucumbers. Let me know what your thoughts were on texture and flavor profile. Thanks!
As someone who is undecided on the Calvinist/Arminian debate, and who has been reading the works of Calvin, Edwards, and Augustine, I thought it would only be fair if I aquatinted myself with the best arguments from the other side, but I don’t know what to read, any suggestions?
