Many of the Israelites contemporary groups such as Ammon, Moav, and Edom have patriarchs and origin myths in the bible. Did the authors of these passages (or perhaps when it was developed as folklore) take the actual patriarchs and origins of these peoples and integrate them into their narrative; that is to say, were figures like Lot, Ishmael, and Esav created by the Israelites or integrated?

If they were shared figures, perhaps an even more interesting question is would these nations have also considered a Yakov figure, presumable secondary in their stories, to be the patriarch of Israel?

Can someone give a general idea of what the stories were about or tell me where i can learn about them?

If I'm not mistaken, Job is considered the oldest book in the Bible, and from what I've heard, uses a different dialect compared to the rest of the Bible.

I was wondering, using that dialect as a reference, do all of the names of the patriarchs in Genesis sound right? Do the syllables of the names sound like Job-dialect Hebrew syllables?

Fundamentally, I want to know whether the names of the patriarchs in Genesis sound like Hebrew words or not, but I understand that those names probably became part of ancient Hebrew, so it might be difficult to tell without looking really close at the syllable structure and such.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also, if you feel this should be in a different sub, I apologize. Please feel free to direct me where you think this would be better suited.

Why is God considered male? If you set aside the Bible,what evidence suggests that he is indeed male?

for God being male,I have no idea. Personally I'm beginning to think God is gender fluid

Or concubines. From Abraham's concubine to Moses's second wife, to Jacobs wives to David's multiple wives.

If it was one man one woman, wouldn't there be just one woman for each patriarch?

I've heard the occasional rebuttal like Jacobs Descendents fought and so that's how he was punished. But if nearly every patriarch had multiple brides, you'd think God would specifically mention it? Especially with how fond he was of Moses and David?

This is an entirely hypothetical situation, either if you believe or not in Jesus, it's just a thought experiment like asking what would have happened if the nazis won the war or that kind of stuff. It's not thought to offense neither christians or non-christians, it's just an exeperiment.

I'm not a christian and not an expert, but I actually think that, if is all true and a second coming comes tomorrow, the church will not accept him as such. In the end, the jews were asking for a messiah and when Jesus, who is the messiah according to christians, came, the pharisees and high power of the jewish faith didn't accepted him, due to fear of losing power. I think the pope won't like to lose power and he will basically be Caiaphas and will try to eliminate him. Some cardinals and patriarchs however will recognize him, and maybe eventually all the church will accept him.

That's my opinion as a person who is not christian (But who was in the past); I want to hear yours.

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Preface: I understand that in terms of choice feminism, kink is feminist as it’s women being able to consent and express their sexuality.

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I really want to get more into kink but I feel incredibly guilty about it from a feminist perspective. Not because I believe that it’s “abusive” but rather that, because patriarchy influences all aspects of our lives (including sex lives) then it is influencing my desire to be submissive.

I don’t know how to put the radical feminist (patriarchy influences our lives constantly) part of my mind to the side so that I can enjoy playing. And ultimately it’s cause me stress because I want to enjoy it.

There’s a poem by Margret Atwood, talking about how women view themselves through a man’s eyes, and I can’t help but feel that this is the case. That I only enjoy what I do enjoy as a way to be a male fantasy.

Has anyone else experienced this? What did you do to get over it? Or any advice or thoughts would be much appreciated?

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This planet deserves to know how a teenaged Jewess who grew up to be Mother Teresa used the BOOK OF JOB to convert his lowest hand of cards dealt to her by God, to the HIGHEST OF FOUR ACES.. I know the inside story of devil incarnate Mother Teresa from a couple of Kerala nurses who served her personally for decades in Calcutta Nirmal Hriday.. She had the BOOK OF JOB ( Ayyubinte Pustakam ) at her bedside, not the Binle..Evil Mother Teresa was converted to a saint by the Pope , she secured the Nobel Prize and Bharat Ratna. Teresa was among the top 10 women in the annual Gallup's most admired man and woman poll a record 18 times.. As a teenager young Teresa ( Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu ) born in current nation of Kosovo, weighed her options in life.. She was at rock bottom and could not sink any further.. Her Jew father died in 1919 AD when she was just eight leaving her mother and sister impoverished.. She would arrive in India when she was 18 years old as a nun .. As a teenager with height of four feet fuck all, she was bald with no hair.. Teresa dropped out of school unable to bear the taunts of her beautiful classmates, as she was hideously ugly, with razor thin lips , over sized Jewish nose, and a figure like a sack of rotten potatoes.. Her own mother and sister could not tolerate her mean disposition.. Teresa found the nun’s garb a great equalizer, like the Islamic Burqa which equalized the most beautiful woman and the ugliest woman.. Teresa would trump JOB and god. Teresa asked her mother to sell her to the Irish Catholic church for a sum of money.. When she arrived at the Loretto Abbey Ireland as a teenager she was treated with great contempt by the Irish/ Scottish nurses as she knew no English and treated this dishonest nun for what she was worth, making her clean toilets. They hated Teresa for her mean ness and made her eat separate . Teresa knew this would happen.. She complained and asked for a transfer to India, where she knew Bengalis worshipped the white skin , and she was white. Thus started her journey—excelsior—ever upwards.. Before she died she would be worth Billions of US Dollars. She would dine with the Pope, kings and presidents ..She received doctorate degrees from almost all prestigious Western

Not groundbreaking in this space, but I’m so sick of this ‘advice’ running through the back of my head all the time. Keep score!! Is he not pulling his weight, mentally, emotionally, physically in the home, etc.? YOU CAN FUCKING TELL HIM AND IT’S NOT A DETRIMENT TO YOU. It is to him. Let’s stop gaslighting ourselves into believing that having needs is ‘keeping score’.

“Do you think that God stays in heaven because he too lives in fear of what he has created?” – Spy Kids 2

In my time away from the organization I have had the opportunity to look at the Bible through a more honest, unbiased lens.

And it is clear to me that, in the Old Testament of the Bible, humanity is like a science experiment gone wrong.

Jehovah said, “Let’s make humans in our image,” and from that minute on the story is all about the series of negative repercussions of that decision. And God is afraid of humans and their potential to rival his own power.

Right after creating humans they disobey him by eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God quickly casts them out to prevent them from eating from the tree of life, because then they would become too powerful if they were free thinking AND immortal.

Then humans and angels mate leading to murderous Nephilim. God says he really regrets he ever made man, and he attempts to do a hard reset by flooding the Earth.

Shortly thereafter God commands humans to spread out and they just refuse by building the tower of Babel. Again God has to cast them out by confusing their languages, because he is afraid of their power if they band together and build a tower to the heavens.

Later God selects Abraham to be the patriarch of his nation. He hands them commands and expects exclusive devotion in exchange for blessings … and they literally cannot stay faithful to him. Moses leaves to talk to God on Mt. Sinai and returns to see them worshipping a golden calf. The 40 years in wilderness represents the struggle by God to control his nation. Even after their city is established, they repeatedly worship other Gods despite Jehovah’s threats until finally he abandons the nation entirely.

Despite all the cajoling and threatening, humanity just eludes Jehovah’s control, because it’s in human nature to be free thinking and independent. The characteristics that, ironically, Jehovah imbued into humans, and I think that's pretty interesting.

Disclaimer: I'm not arguing that we should just reform capitalism. Even if capitalism was able to subsist in a society without any of these other forms of oppression, it would still be unjust and I would still call for its abolition. I'm simply curious about how exactly capitalism intersects with these other hierarchies. I'm also not arguing for class reductionism.

I agree that capitalism benefits from racism, patriarchy, cisheteronormativity, ableism, etc., mainly because they divide the working class (by which I mean anyone who is not a capitalist or part of the state and therefore would be better off without capitalism), hindering their class consciousness and effective organizing. I guess they also provide some sort of ideological justification for capitalism and statism ("cis, hetero, white, abled people are superior, therefore they should be in charge of government and own the means of production").

However, I'm not convinced that capitalism needs these to actually exist, as some comrades seem to believe. I don't find it hard to imagine a future where there is an equal distribution of gender, sexual orientation, race/ethnicity, etc. between the capitalist and working class, this being the only hierarchy left. I don't see why that would be impossible. We've already seen capitalism adjust for example to feminism by allowing more women into the capitalist class (obviously not to the extent to abolish the patriarchy).

I guess the practical implications of this would be that if I'm right then we can't get rid of capitalism just by dealing with these other oppressions (which I think everyone here already knows). But like I said the question is purely academic, I don't think it matters in terms of praxis.

Please educate me if there's something I'm not taking into account here!

So I'm grateful for this space because I've been wanting to tell this for years. This is one of 3 things that made me decided to peace out. {Real quick, this probably doesn't have the best grammar but I typed this up quickly}

I was like the best Mormon girl™ (except for uhh what's it called? The stupid assignments they make teen girls do? Personal progress? Ah, I hated that and never saw the point of it) but I was a very thorough Mormon, I believed (almost) everything, did my service, shoved my superior beliefs in people's faces and acted like that's what God wanted me to do, yada yada...

With that, the week before my blessing, I focused heavily on my scriptures, did a shit ton of journal writing, only listened to hymns,prayed over and about every tiny ass thing, and even had gotten a blessing to help prepare me for my blessing. Yeah, I was legit. So the day come sit my blessing and I was so excited. I get my blessing.

In my blessing I was told that when i see my husband (not spouse, specifically husband. Nice huh?) my heart would beat faster and I would know it's him via the HG. Then one of the last things I was told was that during the second coming, Jesus would call me by name and show me thanks in front of everyone for all the good I've done and so on so forth. I can't remember the specific wording but I promise it was ^^ this but I watered it down.

A young man in my ward had gotten his about give minutes before mine that day. He walked out, I walked right in, I mean like no time between our blessings. Within two weeks after getting our blessings, we had brought up patriarchal blessings in seminary and what part stood out the most to us, but we were told to not specifically quote anything, and wouldn't you know it- (we'll call him J) J said "I was told that when I see my wife for the first , my heart would beat faster and the HG would let me know it's her" Y'ALL I-- Do you know how confused, sick, annoyed and disappointed I felt? Someone else has the exact same wording in their blessing as mine. And all at once I realized why we don't share our blessing with other people. My perfect view of the church had cracked. It wasn't ever the same after that seminary class.

THEN, a month after that was stake conference, and this girl who was my age and had recently gotten her blessing, was asked to give a talk because she was important to someone in the stake presidency and just so superior because of that. She spoke about getting ready to graduate and how

Pretty nice!

I want to believe Islam is progressive as much as the next person but i think some things make it inherently patriarchal. Like the fact that its strictly patrilineal and the man is considered the "head" of the family (i know its more a responsibility than a privilege but still) or inheritance laws etc.

Like i get that men inherit more and they're responsible for the women in their life but giving men more money/property just gives them more power which hurts women in a patriarchal society.

And ill admit i haven't read the entire quran in english, but as far as I've seen women are mostly mentioned indirectly whereas men are seemed to be addressed directly? ("Tell your wives and believing women", and other quotes like that) How is the religion even for us if we aren't directly addressed ?

Even things like when the husband and wife pray together the husband must be in front even if its just by an inch or so. I know its an inconsequential thing but it almost feels like things like this are meant to symbolically show women their place.

Even Quran Verses like the one about hitting your wife, people have a lot of different interpretations that claim its not what its made to look like, and i want to believe that but how do we know that that is the correct interpretation? They sound like a stretch honestly.

And even if it doesn't actually mean hitting your wife, why was it framed in a way that was easy to misinterpret and used to abuse women? How can islam be perfect then?

I genuinely believe that my perception of these things is wrong and I'd love it if someone could correct me.

I’m an orthodox Christian in the Netherlands and am interested in the church in Traditionally orthodox countries. I would love to know what you think of the new patriarch of Serbia.

There was a tiktok on this sub the other day that explained this concept perfectly: patriarchy is like a narcissistic abuser, and so-called "manhating" is reactive abuse. (If someone could please find it and link it in the comments, that would be great)

The very concept of "manhating" is patriarchal propaganda. What men consider "manhating" is literally just... women being opposed to misogyny and fighting female oppression

Somehow, liberal pickme feminism fell for this concept hook, line, and sinker. The past couple decades have seen so-called "feminists" bending over backwards trying to prove that they don't hate men by debasing themselves and declawing feminism. "Sex work is empowering!" "Porn is awesome!" "Patriarchy hurts men too!" Blah blah blah, you know the drill.

The "manhating" label is intended to put women on the defensive, and puts the onus on women to "prove" that they don't actually hate men. This tactic is so insidious because the "manhating" label is knee-jerkingly slapped onto anything that men don't like, even if it is not actually hateful. Being opposed to misogyny? Manhating. Critiquing the sex industry? Manhating. Talking about the abuse you've received at the hands of men? Manhating.

In recent years, the "manhating" label has taken on a new meaning as governments, companies, and organizations try to crack down on hate speech. Misogynists are attempting to hijack the anti-hate-speech movement by labeling any and all feminist activitism as "manhating" and therefore hate speech. They are trying to spin the narrative that "misandry" is just as bad as misogyny and needs to be stamped out. At the same time, they define misandry as "noticing and opposing misogyny". Very sneaky.

Ladies, don't fall for it. Let them be mad. Let them scream and cry and call us manhaters all they want. I don't care. Don't allow yourself to be baited into cutting out your own tongue in a futile attempt to "prove" that you're not a manhater.

Men as a class seem to think that women having any kind of boundaries or standards is inherently hostile to men. If that is the case, then I'm a proud manhater 😘

Own it. Don't apologize for it. If anything, "man hater" should be considered a compliment! LVM are going to hate us no matter what. Instead of toning it down, we should be dialing it up.

So, this is murky water for a straight cis man to wade into, but this has been bothering me, so I'm just gonna put it out there, and hope that I am not taking up space belonging to the groups I'm trying to be an ally of. But if I am taking up space that I shouldn't, please let me know!

Also, while I'm here, and using this space, I also want you guys to look at this excellent post about feminist fantasy by u/Arette. I love talking about this stuff with my friends and thinking about it on my own, and I still had a lot to learn from it, and took a lot of recommendations from it.

Last thing before we get started: please don't play a drinking game where you take a shot every time I use the word "patriarchy."

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I am finding that I am gaining an increasing distaste for patriarchal fantasy stories. To be clear, I am not speaking of stories like The Calculating Stars or The Once and Future Witches which have patriarchal societies but directly challenge them—these are feminist stories, and feminist SFF is one of my favorite subgenres out there. Nor am I speaking of stories like The Sword of Kaigen which have patriarchal societies and don't challenge them, but focus very much on the experience of someone living under the thumb of the patriarchy.

I'm speaking here of patriarchies that go unchallenged, or aren't challenged in particularly revolutionary ways, or aren't focused on the experiences of those oppressed by patriarchies. In other words, I'm talking about stories where patriarchy is nothing more than set dressing, and stories which reinforce patriarchal ideas. And this bothers me, because patriarchy fucking sucks. Not only because there are ways that straight cis men are negatively affected by the patriarchy (i.e. it's harder for us to show our feelings, have close friendships with other men, etc.), but because I do not like seeing the perpetuation of a system that has hurt more than 50% of the population (not just women, but anyone who isn't a straight cis man), which includes loads of my friends and family.

This is all obvious, of course. Most men that I've met will claim to be feminists and repeat the same ideas, and yet will continue uncritically reading stories that overtly or covertly perpetuate the patriarchy anyway, like The Wheel of Time (yes I'm going to die on this hill) and Mistborn and The Dresden Files and more. And look,

Using the oldest version of Ancient Hebrew as a reference, do all of the names given to people in Genesis before the Tower of Babel sound like Hebrew words? Do the syllables of the names sound like Ancient Hebrew syllables?

"Chateau" might use the same alphabet as English but it's clearly not an English word by the look of it. In the same way, do any of the pre-Babel names stand out as unusual compared to ordinary ancient Hebrew words?

I'm defining the Tower of Babel event as occurring before Peleg but after his father. I don't know whether *all* of the sons listed in Genesis 10 would be considered pre-Babel, but likely at least most.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also, if you feel this should be in a different sub, I apologize. Please feel free to direct me where you think this would be better suited.