Polytonality Puns

Is it just that one is multiple tonal centers and one is multiple keys/modes/scales with the same tonal center?

so I was just playing around with my guitar and I liked the sound os a very simple chord progression, just 2 chords going back and forth. Dbmaj7 and Amaj7

the maj7 in Db is a C but the 3rd in Amaj7 is a C#, is this progression polytonal or is it like if I'm modulating with every chord?

Does anybody have and books/articles/videos that explain how to use polytonality or polychords? The only one i can find is 20th century harmony.

Happy August Everyone!

This month's composition challenge is to either write a piece that switches between three or more key signatures, or is polytonal. We've got some great info on the subjects from /u/reticulatedpython's official challenge post, where you can also submit your pieces and discuss the challenge.

You can also hear the original reddit compositions from last month's challenge: changing time signatures.

Hey everyone! I'm currently collecting pieces featuring polytonality in a Spotify playlist, mainly just because I enjoy listening to polytonal music, but possibly also as a resource for students. Do you have any more recommendations for pieces that should be included? Any genre is fine! :]

https://youtu.be/MqmyGx8Kavs?t=29

First of all, I don't know what scale it's in. The intro has some chromatic planing I think. The flute scale coming in at 29 seconds combined with the bass note reveals some sort of tonality. But... The chord playing on the left side... It makes me feel a certain way. Can this be analyzed with polychords? Or maybe chord extensions? I'd love to see an attempt at an in-depth analysis of this one bit. Cheers!

I found a transcription that might help? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAkVT9UAIOU .

It might be a C no 3 maj7/b9/#5. Or maybe a E major over C Phrygian?

I want to do some in depth research into polytonality and was wondering if anyone had any comprehensive resources I could use to learn more.

I was listening to bathtub and during the second pre-chorus becca is singing in D with the accompaniment and it sounded to me like jacob was harmonizing in in D flat before they change key to D flat a few bars before the chorus. Can anyone confirm that, or if i’m totally off, tell me what’s actually going on? here’s the song

I noticed that in the songs "Homecoming" and "POP" from Lil Uzi Vert's new album, some form of polytonality is implemented, whether this was intentional or not. In Homecoming, the beat has no real key (it could be e flat major or minor, but I'm not entirely sure as there are mostly just sounds without discernible pitches). However, the autotune is set to what I think is g major, with parts that sound like they were recorded for modulations between g major and c major. In POP, the beat is in d minor, while the lyrics sound like they were meant for a backing track in d major or b minor (most probably the latter). Any thoughts on this?

Look who got a challenge up on time, for once! And it's my cake day! Here are the challenges:

Main challenge 1: Write a piece that switches between at least three different key signatures.

Main challenge 2: Write a polytonal piece. That is, a piece that uses multiple keys simultaneously.

Do both challenges together if you like!

Text challenge: Annabel Lee by Edgar Allan Poe.

Like the shfiting metres of last challenge, polytonality is a practice that became more popular in the early 20th century. Probably the best-known example of polytonality is the Petrushka chord used by Stravinsky. While we’re at it, here’s a good video by Adam Neely about polytonality.

Check out submissions from last month: Changing Metres. Really, check them out, this was an especially good month in my opinion.

What are these challenges?

These challenges are for everyone who wants to practice composing. Each month, at the beginning of the month, we will post a main challenge, something for people to compose. We'll try to make it something that everyone can work with. Sometimes we also have an alternate challenge. We'll also have a text for people to set to music or compose around as they see fit. Pieces can be submitted as a score (musescore, noteflight, pdf), and/or as audio (soundcloud, youtube) linked in a comment on this thread. We encourage positive discussion about the pieces people submit. Feedback on the sub and the challenges is much appreciated, and you can give it in this thread, or by messaging the mods of /r/MonthlyComposition, there's also the Challenge Suggestion Form.

I've been studying the works of Schnittke, Wyschnegradsky, Messiaen, Penderecki, Stockhausen and other harmonic atonalists for a while now, and have been working on a new musical vocabulary that is detached from standard Western harmonic principles. I spend a lot of time at the piano creating "space chords" that are combinations of otherwise disparate chords (i.e. CM7 + DM7 + Ebm). I was wondering if anyone has any particularly interesting or useful sources on the subject? Or any personal discoveries you've made in the realm of harmonic atonality?

Please note that I'm referring specifically to harmonic atonality, not the traditional melodic one that gave rise to serialism, etc. My interest is not in serialistic concepts, but instead on just breaking down the walls of modality and tonality and moving in a new direction for me.

I stumbled across this song while digging through soudcloud and was wondering if that is an example of polytonality

Song: https://soundcloud.com/tea/1254am

When a music object superimposes materials from two (edit: or more) different scales, is there a good, broadly applicable method to categorize it as either borrowing or polytonality, or is that up to free interpretation?

Essentially I am creating a graphic design for the name of an art project of mine, and I want the letter design to portray an aesthetically intelligentsia/birthplace of democracy look without looking like it was the most "greek" looking font in Microsoft Word.

I suppose I'm looking for latin-esque and not exactly greek fonts, but to better detail my idea I'll fill you in on the word I wish to use. Phaneron, ie φανερός. I wanted to try and find the word actually written and scanned or carved and photographed but have had no luck. So far all of Charles S. Pierce's books/PDFs I have found were all computer typeface. Perhaps I might even be interested in the early scholar's printing techniques that gave way to this aesthetic in the first place to try and imitate it?

I hope my idea got across, any advice is appreciated.

I'm wondering, if I ever wanted to write in Modern Greek, is there any reason for me to (or rather, to not) write in polytonic? Other than because people will just think I'm conservative when they see it. I'm the person that preserves diacritics in English (mainly ones with some sort of function) because it's cool to me. My main thought is it'd be impossible to tell what diacritic I'm supposed to write in some situations without specifically learning which. The tónos/oxeîa and dialytika are easy enough, they pretty much work the same way as in Spanish and French, respectively. You could easily tell which you need to put. However, I don't know if I can say the same about the others. Breathing and pitch accent that don't phonemically exist anymore and such. Maybe these would be easier to memorise than I thought though. My only incentive is to look fancy haha.

As a side note: I presume you'd use an oxeîa instead of a tónos when writing/typing polytonic? It only makes sense. I know they look the same on most fonts but still.

Hey everybody, the last couple years I've been getting into jazz and want a super clean and super loud solid state amp. I've been recommended polytone minibrute, it has a pretty revered status among some jazz guitarists. I've looked online and found various used ones that are pretty affordable, it doesn't seem like they get made new anymore. I'm just concerned a used one will just fall apart after awhile. I've never been huge into the tech side of things, so I'm not sure if they are maintenanceable or what. Anybody have experience with this?

I was watching Leonard Bernstein's last Harvard Lecture and he started talking about the polytonality of Stravinksy, saying that he saved tonality by "keeping it fresh." However, when listening to it, atonality and polytonality can sound very much alike. So I was wondering what really makes these methods different.

I am using the 1988 Barron's "Mastering Greek" textbook (found it at a used book store!) along with the accompanying audio, supplemented with Duolingo, to learn Greek. Essentially, it is the same as the FSI materials (found online here). I think this book is amazing, but it uses polytonic diacritics, which I understand to be a bit archaic today. I don't want to stop using this book, but I would like to understand how best to write the words in this book in the modern style.

How should I write down the passages in this textbook?

If someone experienced could even take a few sentences from Unit 2 and write them out in the modern way so I could compare the two, as an example, that would probably be really helpful.

If anyone responds, thank you!

Kimbra is a jazz/pop singer so she experiment with some different harmony but i dont know what kind of dissonance is that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGnEiAqFIU4 The string have this "friction" sound agaisnt the vocal melody and the piano. I dont know if it is really polytonality or just glissando notes. I just want to understant what kind hamorny she use to achive this dark mood.

I have owned both and my Polytone was one of the few pieces of gear that I actually flipped for a profit. (Bought for 75 bucks and sold for 150...whoo hoo!!!) I presently own a JC40, which I love.

I only have Android tablet.

χαίρετε, ὠ ἑταῖροι;

I've recently switched my OS to Kubuntu and, while I have installed the Polytonic Greek keyboard, that layout doesn't allow to combine accents and spirits (as you might have observed in my initial greeting). So... any suggestions on how to do it? I had Ubuntu before and its Polytonic layout did allow those combinations. I don't know how to fix this and I haven't found any answers on the internet.

Thanks in advance!

Happy August Everyone!

This month's composition challenge is to either write a piece that switches between three or more key signatures, or is polytonal. We've got some great info on the subjects from /u/reticulatedpython's official challenge post, where you can also submit your pieces and discuss the challenge.

You can also hear the original reddit compositions from last month's challenge: changing time signatures.