1. Can you believe in natural law and virtue ethics at the same time? Why or why not?

2. Does NL and VE both fall under deontology?

3. Any recommended books that give a good introduction/overview of traditional natural law? (Not the “new” natural law)

Will someone mansplain to me why rich coastal millennials are obsessing about natural wines? I’ve tried many and almost all tasted distractingly sour. They’re also fucking expensive. But the neolib food media (Times, New Yorker, Eater, etc.) is pushing this trend like crazy. What am I missing?

His sins, if there are such things as sins, are borrowed. He becomes an echo of some one else's music, an actor of a part that has not been written for him. The aim of life is self-development. To realize one's nature perfectly--that is what each of us is here for. People are afraid of themselves, nowadays. They have forgotten the highest of all duties, the duty that one owes to one's self. Of course, they are charitable. They feed the hungry and clothe the beggar. But their own souls starve, and are naked. Courage has gone out of our race. Perhaps we never really had it. The terror of society, which is the basis of morals, the terror of God, which is the secret of religion--these are the two things that govern us. - Lord Henry - The Picture of Dorian Gray (book)

Natural is an interesting quirk. It gives extra hp, healing, and speed if you have no trinkets equipped. It's great early game, and helpful for Lepers, Flagellants, etc.

Later on, with recovery charms and life crystals it becomes a little obsolete but I thought of a way to keep it useful--virtue chance. Now normally +virtue is REALLY situational. Other than the Highwaymans CC set you're not going to get much along with virtue chance on trinkets.

So what you do is take a hero with Natural and take Ancestors Tentacle Idol +Hero Ring. At the start of the mission you take them off and put them in inventory so Natural goes into effect. Who cares if this hero enters the dungeon fairly stressed out- when their stress gets high, you put the trinkets back on in the hopes you'll become virtuous. Then you take them back off again.

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On this sub we often run into problems with definitions of even the most basic terms. In this thread I want to present a couple of concepts and ask for your preferred terms for them.

• The first concept is what ought to be. The set of principles upon which you think the society ought to be organized. The reasoning behind you political opinions and activism. This can include any underlying principles that guide how things like political organization, property and justice systems are determined.

• The second concept is what makes a person good or bad. The set of rules, qualities or actions that determine whether a person is good/bad. This does not necessarily imply any punishments, rewards or privileges for being good/bad, although it can do so. This can just include some outstanding things that would make a person exceptionally good/bad, or a baseline standard of behaviour that makes a person not-bad.

Pick a term that you think fits these concepts best, such as Morality, Virtue, Natural law, Justice or one of your choosing.

Also, feel free to provide an alternative classification, split those concepts or introduce similar new ones.

A big part of Stoicism is recognizing the world for what it is. Many people suffer from the "just world fallacy," in which we believe that our societies are inherently fair and just. This fallacious thinking is reinforced as a child through the education systems, but it doesn't take long for cognitive dissonance to set in (especially among disadvantaged communities).

I think it's important for us to dispel ourselves of this notion by observing precisely how we have gone against nature and virtue, to allow us to better navigate it naturally and virtuously. Buckle up, you're in for a long ride.

Neediness

When your base needs are not met, your focus shifts from thriving to surviving. When in a survival state, virtue is not a conducive trait to our more primitive tendencies. We see this time and again across the thousands of years of human existence. Nearly all modern economic systems, be they capitalist, corporatist, socialist--whatever--are structured in such a way that a hierarchy will always exist. A select few are completely stable, and more capable of focusing on virtuous behavior (though they may not for several reasons). For most of us though, we live in some general state of unease about the stability of our access to base needs. Whether it's shaky job security, a dangerous debt to income ratio, or simply being too poor to afford common necessities, our instability makes it more difficult to practice virtue.

Those in profit-oriented fields largely understand this, and so employ deceptive marketing practices to give us an artificial sense of neediness. They attempt to trick us into believing that products unrelated to our base needs are actually necessities. They encourage us to spend our money on status symbols or on products with planned/perceived obsolescence built in. These consumerist practices ramp up our consumption because we have lost a sense of what we actually need versus what we want. When we think we need what we really don't, we artificially place ourselves in a survival state--less able to practice virtue and more likely to act selfishly. In Stoicism, we understand this to be an unhealthy attachment to preferred indifferents.

Our economic structures are built with this in mind, promoting a constant competition for resources; they encourage us to get jobs we don't like to buy products we don't need to impress people we don't care about. This artificial neediness must be understood before one can truly rise above it.

I have a paper on this..

Can anyone elaborate on the similarities on their emphasis of reason, telos, and what makes an act right? Thanks.

“Because to influence a person is to give him one's own soul. He does not think his natural thoughts, or burn with his natural passions. His virtues are not real to him. His sins, if there are such things as sins, are borrowed. He becomes an echo of someone else's music, an actor of a part that has not been written for him. The aim of life is self-development. To realize one's nature perfectly—that is what each of us is here for. People are afraid of themselves, nowadays. They have forgotten the highest of all duties, the duty that one owes to one's self. Of course they are charitable. They feed the hungry, and clothe the beggar. But their own souls starve, and are naked. Courage has gone out of our race. Perhaps we never really had it. The terror of society, which is the basis of morals, the terror of God, which is the secret of religion—these are the two things that govern us. And yet, I believe that if one man were to live out his life fully and completely, were to give form to every feeling, expression to every thought, reality to every dream—I believe that the world would gain such a fresh impulse of joy that we would forget all the maladies of medievalism, and return to the Hellenic ideal—to something finer, richer, than the Hellenic ideal, it may be. But the bravest man amongst us is afraid of himself. The mutilation of the savage has its tragic survival in the self-denial that mars our lives. We are punished for our refusals. Every impulse that we strive to strangle broods in the mind, and poisons us. The body sins once, and has done with its sin, for action is a mode of purification. Nothing remains then but the recollection of a pleasure, or the luxury of a regret. The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it. Resist it, and your soul grows sick with longing for the things it has forbidden to itself, with desire for what its monstrous laws have made monstrous and unlawful. It has been said that the great events of the world take place in the brain. It is in the brain, and the brain only, that the great sins of the world take place also.” ― Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray

Just came across this quote which sums up my beliefs at this point in my life --

Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men. -Francis Bacon

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Just came across this quote which sums up my beliefs at this point in my life --

Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men. -Francis Bacon

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Marcus Aurelius is teaching us here that when we spend our time on thoughts that don’t help us on our path to virtue, we are making ourselves unhappy. The stoics remind us over and over that we are in control of the thoughts we entertain and those thoughts lead to our choices, which lead to the outcomes of our lives.