Liz Shaw

What are peoples thoughts on Liz?

I’m disappointed she didn’t hang around for longer, despite Jo being excellent. I just thought Liz deserved much more and brought something really different, being a match to the doctor. Particularly in Inferno, she’s excellent!

So what do you think? Am I in the minority?

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Spearhead from Space was terrible! First of all, the autons are a dumb idea (mannequins that move?), and the Doctor does nothing for the entire first episode! Liz Shaw is completely boring and underdeveloped, and I feel like the Brigadier was only brought back for fan service! Retcon Pertwee!
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when someone says liz shaw was the best companion to travel with the third doctor
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Any reviews on my drawing of Liz Shaw?
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Remembering Caroline John, who played the Third Doctor's friend Liz Shaw, on her birthday
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Sex advice from Liz Lemon. Happy Anna Howard Shaw Day!
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The Third Doctor Adventures Vol. 5 is Announced - Featuring The Brigadier, Sgt. Benton and Liz Shaw! bigfinish.com/news/v/thir…
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Liz Taylor by Mark Shaw, October 1956
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Weekly Companion Thread: Doctor Elizabeth 'Liz' Shaw.

Yes, the ball is rolling now! We're well into a new Doctor, and he's now exiled to Earth, spending his time tinkering with gadgets and thingamajigs, itching after a way to gain his Time Traveling knowledge back. Enter Liz Shaw, a scientific advisor with a nose to rival the Doctor's.

Her stint in the show wasn't for long, but boy was she a great companion. She had the smarts, an impeccable taste in 70's fashion and an overall great presence. She seems to be a no nonsense character, not afraid to argue with the Doctor.

Now, what happened to Liz? She kind of just disappear in the show, replaced with a hamfisted bum vendor we're not going to address for another week or so.

What stories adds to the Liz lore? Be it comics, audio or novels. I feel like Third Doctor stuff almost always teams up Three and Jo, which is unfair, as Liz is just as much a Third Doctor exclusive companion (I believe she has appeared in Fourth and Fifth Doctor stories.

Show me what you got, as I love Liz, no matter how unprofessional that is of me as an objective Companion Thread writer.

Last weeks thread here

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Liz and Lynn Shaw - The Buckin' Mule youtube.com/watch?v=OO9fU…
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P.R.O.B.E - recent release from BBV: "When to Die", with a re-cast Liz Shaw (trailer and Amazon instant link in comments). galaxy4.co.uk/product.tht…
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RIP Caroline John (aka Liz Shaw) jeddkenobi.wordpress.com/…
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[1996] Bodyguards - Crime drama/action series focusing on the cases of a specialized bodyguard unit, the Close Protection Group, in service of the British government. The series stars Sean Pertwee and Louise Lombard as protagonists Ian Worrell and Liz Shaw. youtube.com/watch?v=WzYEE…
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Caroline John, who played Liz Shaw, dies aged 71 bbc.co.uk/news/entertainm…
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The Liz Shaw Appreciation Thread

I'm currently in the middle of "The Ambassadors of Death" and can't get over what a great character Liz is.

She reminds me a lot of the Doctor: she's disdainful of military authority, with all its security passes and salutes and tendency to resort to force; she's skeptical, but open to believing the extraordinary when presented with good reason to do so; she remains level-headed and even optimistic when faced with danger; and she often displays a peculiar combination of sarcasm and good-humoredness.

But she's also a bit more willing to pick her battles, and her self-confidence can be more understated than the Doctor. Indeed, I'm tempted to say she seems more mature than he does at times!

Anyway, I'd love to hear what others think of Liz! She's been easily one of my favorite parts of Season 7 so far--and there's quite a lot to like in this season.

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Scotland’s Missing Histories – Episode 2 – Mairi Mhor nan Oran (with Liz MacRae Shaw) michaelgreenwell.wordpres…
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If you could extend one companions time on the show by one season, who would it be?

I would pick either Martha or Donna for new who. For classic though, I'd pick Liz Shaw.

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What is the Doctor's favourite face?

McCoy and Hurt are probably their least favourites, McCoy for being the darkest Doctor yet and I'm sure a lot of their other incarnations would not agree with everything he did, and Hurt for obvious reasons.

Hartnell maybe for nostalgia, the Doctor rememberign growing up on Gallifrey, especially after they lost it... again. Although he did run away.

I don't think it would be Pertwee because of the exile (although he did grow to love it and in his regeneration call it home, which was an incredibly sweet moment.) I do think that Pertwee might have had a lot of the Doctor's favourite companions (In his fourth incarnation he called Sarah Jane his best friend, Jo Grant had amazing chemistry with the Third Doctor, and the Third Doctor I think respected Liz Shaw a lot and aside from maybe Romana, saw her as the closest companion to being his equal)

They were Matt Smith for the longest, but that might make them sick of it having the same face for 1100 years...

Don't think it would be Davison, because the Doctor probably still blames themself for Adric's death given even when 5 was regenerating he was thinking of Adric.

The Doctor might think of early Capaldi badly, as much as I love him, because I think they might not like some of the actions he did in Into the Dalek and Mummy on the Orient Express, as well as obviously Kill the Moon.

Eccleston spent most of his life just full of regret, I doubt they look back on that fondly.

Tennant was full of hubris and the whole Time Lord Victorious thing would probably sour him on that face.

Six/Colin Baker was... well six, if we are going by what was shown on TV.

IIRC the Doctor partially blames their fourth incarnation in Tom Baker for the Time War, because of Genesis of the Daleks being the instigstor of conflict between Daleks and Time Lords.

I think when the Doctor regenerates they won't like Whittaker for the whole morality thing and letting a bunch of the universe die

So I think the answer is probably 1, 2 or 11. I'd place my bets on 2.

What do you think?

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Why erasing the Doctor Who Expanded Universe would kill Doctor Who

Introduction – What is the Doctor Who EU and why is it different from other franchises

Doctor Who is far from the only franchise to have an expanded universe. There are many other franchises that share such a concept, Star Trek and Star Wars to name two.

But Doctor Who’s EU is very different from the EU’s of other franchises in a core way that makes a Star Wars Legends style erasure of the EU not only a bad idea, not only actively harmful to the franchise, but would likely entirely kill Doctor Who.

The first and most obvious reason why Doctor Who’s EU is different from others is that there is no defined canon in Doctor Who. In franchises like Star Trek and Star Wars, canon is defined such that the central seminal works override all supplementary ones, with other forms of media being entirely subservient to the main work.

Doctor Who is different, Doctor Who’s EU is not subservient to the show, to make this obvious I need only point to the Virgin New Adventures, which were considered at the time the undeniable official continuation of Classic Doctor Who. The VNAs were Doctor Who from 1990-1996, every single major fan or official body agreed such a thing.

Now, one might bring up the BBC’s policy that β€˜A TV Show must not require any supplementary material to be complete’ and argue that said policy qualifies as an indicator that the TV show is in some way superior or β€˜more valid’ but that restriction is not one borne from the creative team, merely a studio mandated accessibility clause. This is evidenced by the fact that, in spite of this, the TV Show still does reference the EU explicitly and undeniably in multiple instances. (See the bottom of this post for examples)

Now, some want to draw a line between the TV and non-TV content by virtue of medium and consider the TV content more valid for that reason. But there is no non-arbitrary justification for that. For instance, the idea that Zygon: When Being You Isn’t Enough is a piece of TV content and is therefore more valid than President Romana or Bernice Summerfield is completely nonsense.

And if you try to limit it to specifically β€˜The Doctor Who TV Show’ to exclude the BBV content, and thus also kicking out Torchwood, SJA and Class. Then what is your justification for considering both New and Classic Who canon? Since both New Who and Classic Who are entirely separate shows and Classic in no way references New Who in any way, whilst New frequently references both Classic and the EU. Making any re

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Rory Gilmore's Book Reading Challenge - All 408 Books Referenced in Gilmore Girls. I don't think i can read every single book, it would take me years πŸ˜‚
  1. 1984 by George Orwell
  2. Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
  3. Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
  4. Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll
  5. All the President’s Men by Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward
  6. The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay by Michael Chabon
  7. An American Tragedy by Theodore Dreiser
  8. And Then There Were None by Agatha Christie
  9. Angela’s Ashes by Frank McCourt
  10. Anna Karenina by Leo Tolstoy
  11. The Archidamian War by Donald Kagan
  12. The Armies of the Night: History as a Novel, the Novel as a History by Norman Mailer
  13. The Art of Fiction by Henry James
  14. The Art of Living by Epictetus
  15. The Art of War by Sun Tzu
  16. As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
  17. Atonement by Ian McEwan
  18. Autobiography of a Face by Lucy Grealy
  19. The Awakening by Kate Chopin
  20. Babe by Dick King-Smith
  21. Backlash: The Undeclared War Against American Women by Susan Faludi
  22. Balzac and the Little Chinese Seamstress by Dai Sijie
  23. Bambi: A Life in the Woods by Felix Salten
  24. Bel Canto by Ann Patchett
  25. The Bell Jar by Sylvia Plath
  26. Beloved by Toni Morrison
  27. Beowulf by Anonymous
  28. The Bhagavad Gita by Anonymous
  29. The Bielski Brothers: The True Story of Three Men Who Defied the Nazis, Built a Village in the Forest, and Saved 1200 Jews by Peter Duffy
  30. Bitch: In Praise of Difficult Women by Elizabeth Wurtzel
  31. A Bolt from the Blue and Other Essays by Mary McCarthy
  32. Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
  33. Brick Lane by Monica Ali
  34. Brigadoon by Alan Jay Lerner
  35. [Candide](https://amzn.to/34jc
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Liz Elting is trying to unravel the sale of her shares in TransPerfect to bitter rival Phil Shawe, as the case moves into (perhaps) its final stages. Get ready for some fireworks at Wednesday's hearing twitter.com/TMcParlandTLI…
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Doctor Who Extended Universe Releases - February 2022

Doctor Who EU Releases - February 2022

BIG FINISH AUDIO DRAMAS

RANGE TITLE INDIVIDUAL TITLES (if Applicable) WRITERS DETAILS
The Third Doctor Adventures The Annihilators - Nicholas Briggs There's something in the water at Lewgate Docks. The local police are trying to hide everything about this to the Brigadier and UNIT. Soon, The Doctor and Liz Shaw gets involved. The planet Earth is at threat, and it make take more than UNIT to save the world. In the background, The Second Doctor and Jamie are here. Looking rather worse for wear.
The Ninth Doctor Adventures 1.4 Old Friends Fond Farewell; Way of the Burryman; The Forth Generation David K. Barnes; Roy Gill In the first story, The Doctor arrives at a rather bizarre funeral home. A funeral home where you can watch your own funeral! And then at the Forth Bridge, ghosts seem to be coming out. The retired Brigadier comes out to investigate. As does the Doctor. And a young Sam Bishop, trying to find himself and patch issues with his girlfriend, Fiona. Has UNIT learned from its previous mistakes? Vinyl link.
Short Trips Short Trips Vol. 11 Rearguard; Messages From the Dead; The Threshold; Death Will Not Part Us; Fear of Flying; Inside Story Alfie Shaw; Rochana Patel; Felicia Barker; Paul F Verhoeven; Ben Tedds A anthology of Short Trips, featuring a Sontaran who has no one to fight, an Adric who just wants the Doctor's trust in him, The Master trapped in the Vortex with only the Doctor to turn to for rescue, a planet doomed to die and then to never have existed trapped in the middle of the Time War, a terrified passenger, and an entirely fictional story featuring time travellers that bears no resemblance to any real stories because that'd be silly! Read by Sophie Aldred, Adele Andersen, Ayesha Antoine, Matthew Waterhouse, Dan Starkey, Jacob Dudman and Jon Culshaw.
Companion Spin-Offs 2. The Lone Centurion: Camelot The Once and Future Nurse; The Glowing Warr
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Liz helped me through a dentist appointment

One word. Oral. Two words. Oral Surgery

I had to make an emergency dentist appointment due to a broken tooth and I have a phobia and major anxiety around the dentist. Normally I am able to due full sedation but not this time. The whole time I just kept thinking of Liz, and it helped me stay calm. Maybe I will meet my Wesley Snipes, or go home and put a waffle in the DVD player and talk about how Nicole Kidman deserves an Oscar for it. If Liz can do it, I can do it.

I know it’s early but Happy Anna Howard Shaw Day to us all! Season 4, Episode 13 Anna Howard Shaw Day

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A classic Who fans opinion of the new Flux episode.

So I’m really much more of a Troughton or Pertwee guy. But I sat down and watched the new episode yesterday. And I have to say I was very impressed.

I enjoyed Jodie Whitaker’s incarnation. It was different yet just familiar enough. JUST

Yas is a decent, bold enough companion. Less… β€œdamsel in distress” plot point and more in line with a Liz Shaw figure to me - I.e. bold enough to challenge the Doctor, and knows a bit about the situation.

John Bishop injects a nice amount of humour into it, I’m not a fan of his comedy routines normally but it was enough to be pleasant.

I think they did a good job of building the tension of β€œthe universe goes bang” deal and the doors flinging open at the end to reveal the doom and then the hard cut to the credits was a great ending. And I love having the Sontarans in it.

My biggest issue was the reliance on the screwdriver to advance the plot, to provide exposition, then bang next scene.

Overall, very enjoyable. Will enjoy the next episode I’m sure.

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SERIOUS: This subreddit needs to understand what a "dad joke" really means.

I don't want to step on anybody's toes here, but the amount of non-dad jokes here in this subreddit really annoys me. First of all, dad jokes CAN be NSFW, it clearly says so in the sub rules. Secondly, it doesn't automatically make it a dad joke if it's from a conversation between you and your child. Most importantly, the jokes that your CHILDREN tell YOU are not dad jokes. The point of a dad joke is that it's so cheesy only a dad who's trying to be funny would make such a joke. That's it. They are stupid plays on words, lame puns and so on. There has to be a clever pun or wordplay for it to be considered a dad joke.

Again, to all the fellow dads, I apologise if I'm sounding too harsh. But I just needed to get it off my chest.

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How can the Minister D tape be sincere and credible if this key detail is to be accounted for from the same period in time, and can be verified through cross checking of early episodes? A perfect example of the early mythology contradicting the later mythology, an INTENTIONAL move I believe

Three major developments occurred in the Fall of 1990 with Katarina and Raymond. Two of them surround and take place after the main event of Masha being taken from the Summer Palace in Canada by Raymond. What is both irrational and perplexing is that these two other developments clearly contradict one another. How is it that Katarina had no problem framing Raymond for a crime he did not commit as was allegedly revealed in the Minister D tape, and yet within that same time period according to Red in 3.14, Katarina, at some point after the kidnapping in the Fall of 1990 was also fighting for her and Raymond to be a family and wanted him back? She wanted him back and for them to be a family, but at the same time had no problem with the idea of framing him in which by default would force him to be a criminal on the run forced away from Katarina and Masha?Β Something is obviously not right with this picture.

Red: Your parents loved each other very much…

Your mother, despite what he’d done,Β she wanted him back.Β She wanted them to be a family

I would also like to mention that I believe this detail has been forgotten about over time since it was last discussed five seasons ago. And because of this it has been neglected and many analyses since when debating the true nature of the relationship between Raymond (the real/original) and Katarina. Especially following the Minister D episode from season 6 and the recorded call between Katarina and Fitch.

So here is the simple question. How would Katarina’s β€œbetter way” approach by framing him help themΒ be a family?

β€œAnd I’m telling you there’s a better way”

How was this the best way when she also was fighting for her family that included Raymond?

Red: Your parents loved each other very much…

Your mother, despite what he’d done,Β she wanted him back.Β She wanted them to be a family

In fact it would only serve to hurt and destroy her cause she was fighting for because there was no way they could be a family if Raymond was a criminal on the run. He would be forced away from Katarina and Masha. Completely the opposite result of what Red told Liz her mother wanted and was fighting for. She would have been responsible for killing her own aspirations. Putting so much of her energy into fighting for her family and yet in absolutely perplexing fashion a

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A priest, a pastor, and a rabbit walk into a blood donation clinic.

The nurse asked the rabbit, β€œwhat is your blood type?”

β€œI am probably a type O” said the rabbit.

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I’ve got this disease where I can’t stop making airport puns.

The doctor says it terminal.

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Just because it's a joke, doesn't mean it's a dad joke

Alot of great jokes get posted here! However just because you have a joke, doesn't mean it's a dad joke.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT NSFW, THIS IS ABOUT LONG JOKES, BLONDE JOKES, SEXUAL JOKES, KNOCK KNOCK JOKES, POLITICAL JOKES, ETC BEING POSTED IN A DAD JOKE SUB

Try telling these sexual jokes that get posted here, to your kid and see how your spouse likes it.. if that goes well, Try telling one of your friends kid about your sex life being like Coca cola, first it was normal, than light and now zero , and see if the parents are OK with you telling their kid the "dad joke"

I'm not even referencing the NSFW, I'm saying Dad jokes are corny, and sometimes painful, not sexual

So check out r/jokes for all types of jokes

r/unclejokes for dirty jokes

r/3amjokes for real weird and alot of OC

r/cleandadjokes If your really sick of seeing not dad jokes in r/dadjokes

Punchline !

Edit: this is not a post about NSFW , This is about jokes, knock knock jokes, blonde jokes, political jokes etc being posted in a dad joke sub

Edit 2: don't touch the thermostat

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What's the opposite of lady fingers?

Mentos

(I will see myself out)

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Blind Girl Here. Give Me Your Best Blind Jokes!

Do your worst!

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I heard that by law you have to turn on your headlights when it’s raining in Sweden.

How the hell am I suppose to know when it’s raining in Sweden?

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Puns make me numb

Mathematical puns makes me number

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So my mom is getting her foot cut off today.. (really)

We told her she can lean on us for support. Although, we are going to have to change her driver's license, her height is going down by a foot. I don't want to go too far out on a limb here but it better not be a hack job.

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Petition to ban rants from this sub

Ants don’t even have the concept fathers, let alone a good dad joke. Keep r/ants out of my r/dadjokes.

But no, seriously. I understand rule 7 is great to have intelligent discussion, but sometimes it feels like 1 in 10 posts here is someone getting upset about the jokes on this sub. Let the mods deal with it, they regulate the sub.

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French fries weren’t cooked in France.

They were cooked in Greece.

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This subreddit is 10 years old now.

I'm surprised it hasn't decade.

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Why does Spider-Man's calendar only have 11 months?

He lost May

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Companions - list of appearances

I'm considering until the finale of Series 13, "The Vanquishers". If you find any errors, let me know that I will make a correction as soon as possible.

Classic

  • Jamie - 116 episodes
  • Brigadier - 114 episodes
  • Sarah Jane Smith - 85 episodes
  • Jo Grant - 77 episodes
  • Ian - 75 episodes
  • Barbara - 75 episodes
  • Tegan - 67 episodes
  • Benton - 67 episodes
  • Zoe - 59 episodes
  • Susan - 52 episodes
  • Nyssa - 48 episodes
  • Romana II - 47 episodes
  • Steven - 45 episodes
  • Adric - 44 episodes
  • Yates - 42 episodes
  • Victoria - 41 episodes
  • Leela - 40 episodes
  • Vicki - 38 episodes
  • Ben - 36 episodes
  • Polly - 36 episodes
  • Peri - 33 episodes
  • Turlough - 32 episodes
  • Ace - 31 episodes
  • Harry Sullivan - 27 episodes
  • Romana I - 26 episodes
  • Liz Shaw - 25 episodes
  • Mel - 20 episodes
  • Dodo - 19 episodes
  • Sara Kingdom - 9 episodes
  • Katarina - 5 episodes
  • Grace - 1 episode

Modern

  • Clara - 38 episodes
  • Rose - 35 episodes
  • Amy - 34 episodes
  • Yaz - 28 episodes
  • Rory - 27 episodes
  • Graham - 22 episodes
  • Ryan - 22 episodes
  • Martha - 19 episodes
  • Donna - 16 episodes
  • Mickey - 16 episodes
  • Nardole - 15 episodes
  • River Song - 15 episodes
  • Jack - 14 episodes
  • Bill - 13 episodes
  • Wilfred - 8 episodes
  • Dan - 6 episodes
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