Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome Puns

I have had severe CFS for 3 years and one thing I have noticed since the beginning is that I feel much better at night.. to the point I almost feel like my old self. My muscles have strength again, my POTS isn’t nearly as bad, my brain fog lifts, I feel motivated to do things and I can often easily stay awake all night. I have read that non-24 sleep disorder can make you feel like you have jet lag 24/7 and can be classified as a disability. Just curious if anyone has ever been evaluated for this or can relate.

I have had so much trouble with sleep and it always bothered me how I didn't know why. I'm always tired throughout the day yet can't fall asleep until very late at night. That just led to difficultly waking up in the morning. It's so frustrating!

My friends pointed out that it may be insomnia, but it doesn't feel nor sound like insomnia- close, but not quiet. Does that sound familiar to you? Well, guess what? IT HAS A NAME and it's not some variant of insomnia either, it's something else altogether.

Delayed Sleep-Wake Phase Syndrome Oh, boy did this shit answer so many of my massive questions about my sleep problems.

Here's a section of delayed sleep phase syndrome I read.

People with delayed sleep phase syndrome generally have difficulty:

Falling asleep, unless they go to bed very late (usually some hours after midnight) because their internal clock is sending alerting signals until late into the night

Waking up at a "normal" time in the morning, because their internal clock is not yet producing strong alerting signals.

Unless you have other sleep disorders, such a sleep apnea or insomnia, you may sleep well with DSPS, in terms of duration and quality of sleep. The problem is that the delay makes it difficult to wake up in time for a typical school or workday.

Also, according to this: ADHD is highly associated with the delayed sleep phase disorder, a circadian rhythm sleep-wake disorder, which is prevalent in 73-78% of children and adults with ADHD.

Hopefully, this may answer questions about sleep problems for some of you like it helped me. Y'all deserve an explanation, at least. :))

Who here has this? Any formal diagnoses?

When I recently first found out about this it blew my mind (especially the psychological profile of the candidate to have this disorder). I’m in the queue for a sleeping trial (UK) but that’s about all the help I seem to be able to get. I just wondered if anyone has had any luck with this disorder following a diagnosis and how widespread it is. Knowledge is data is power.

https://www.healthline.com/health/sleep-deprivation/delayed-sleep-phase-syndrome

Edit: just seen the thriving sub dedicated to r/DSPD Leaving this post here in case it helps anyone or mods feel free to remove

I’ve slept through shifts at work. Slept through days of school and class, all nighters became regular, my sleep schedule is always precarious and has always been extremely irregular since I was a teen. People all in my life have called me lazy, unmotivated, said that I wasn’t a hard worker... when I would wake up late panicked and upset and depressed because I couldn’t physically wake up on time people would say typical name, you’re so lazy/stupid. I had to buy an alarm clock for the hard of hearing in order to wake up.

I can finally point at something and say I’m not lazy, I am hardworking, and I’m not unmotivated. I care deeply and my sleep has always been extremely difficult to get a handle on and has already negatively impacted my life. I used to just pull all nighters so I wouldn’t wake up late for work, school, or tests.

People saying “just try” and “it’s because you’re addicted to social media”. I’m not. I lay in bed for hours with insomnia, my REM is fucked...

But anyways. Just wanted to share that with someone cause it’s 2am and most people I know are sleep :P

Hello all. This is my first time posting here and it might be a long one so forgive me for that. I am a 20 year old college student. Last semester I learned about polyphasic sleep and wanted to give it a try to increase productivity. I initially started with E1 and quickly graduated to E2. I followed E2 relatively closely up until finals week. At that point my body was used to less sleep and I pulled a lot of all nighters. Over winter break I returned to a relatively normal sleep schedule. At the start of this semester I tried to move back to an E2 schedule. This worked for a couple weeks but now I literally cant sleep at night. I did some research and it appears I have developed Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome. I cannot sleep at all until early morning and I am exhausted all day. This is causing significant strain on my life. I was wondering if anyone else has had this experience. DSPS seems to only develop in younger people who messed up their circadian rhythm. Does anyone have any advice for me?

I’ve recently been diagnosed and since then, I’ve discovered a lot of things I do are actually connected to my ADHD. One of those things is Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome. My whole life, I’ve naturally slept later than what society considers “normal”, usually falling asleep around 5am. It’s presented as a problem only when there’s something disrupting my schedule, for instance, a 9 to 5 job.

During other times however, when I’m in charge of my own schedule, I’ve been managing to have a healthy and normal amount of sleep. So this made me wonder— is Delayed Sleep Phase “Disorder” actually a disorder? Is it something that needs to be treated? If someone with a “normal” sleep schedule who went to sleep at 11pm had to wake up and start work at 3am, they’d have problems with sleep too. However, we wouldn’t consider that a disorder.

So is being an ADHD night owl an actual problem that could interfere with our overall health, or is it just society’s inability to accommodate to us that’s the root of the problem?

When I’m in charge of my schedule (i.e. flexible hours job), I’m actually quite happy with my sleeping pattern staying the way it is.

My issue is with waking up, particularly now winter has hit and its dark in the morning.

Does anyone use a wake up lamp, or could recommend anything that works for them?? Ive set an alarm and taken meds earlier, but can be a big struggle to even wake up to that alarm and so just wanting to see if theres anything else I can try.

Thanks so much :)

I just recently learned about these two disorders that are usually associated with ADHD. I WISH I had known about the latter when I was younger because I have ALWAYS struggled with mornings and waking up. I used to sleep in homeroom every day. My friends were cheerful and active in the mornings but I could barely function. I didn't learn until my 20s that my heaviest sleep was around 4-6am and that was only because of my friend who lived with me noticed that I was sleeping heavier earlier in the morning. Prior to this I thought I was just lazy or lacking a good sleep regimen. The former, is a very frustrating disorder. For example, I called my partner last night quickly in my car. My car is not loud in comparison to cars. However, I was straining so hard to hear what he was saying. The call volume was normal but there were noises like other cars and just the low hum of driving. I had the phone pressed so hard against my ear to hear him that afterwards I actually had trouble hearing because I think the volume was too loud for my ear after that conversation. I've had my hearing checked plenty of times, but anytime there is any other noise I can't hear anything. It's very annoying. Rant over

Got fired from my full-time job after graduating (arbus) as a business dev rep in toronto because I was like a zombie at work. im normally pretty energetic but I always woke up around 12 during uni and just skipped my classes. I got diagnosed with this sleep disorder but my employer dgaf and theres also no cure at the moment. i already went through 6 months of sleep specialist and it just made it worse. and Im basically fucked since all jobs start at 9.. does anyone here have this issue and like if so how the fuck do you make money and have a career and shit cuz this is fucking up my life now. Plz help. i gotta have to prolly go back to being a server for now but i feel like i basically wasted my entire degree and internship experiences

Delayed sleep phase syndrome (DSPS) is a disorder in which a person's sleep is delayed by two hours or more beyond what is considered an acceptable or conventional bedtime. The delayed sleep then causes difficulty in being able to wake up at the desired time.

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Does anyone else struggle with this thing?

Are there any clinics, studies, or locations in London or nearby that do assessments for Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome and Non-24 Hour Sleep Wake Phase Syndrome?

I only see mentions of Sleep Apnea for the 2 clinics here. Do they do any other kinds of assessments?

I've seen that this is a major component of ADHD, and both my mom and sister have this but I don't. I'm an early riser and am most productive in the morning. They both stay up super late and have the most mental clarity at that time. My mom and I are both diagnosed but my sister is not.

Anyone else have the reverse problem - waking up early instead of staying up late?

Hi y'all...

I know only my doctor can (should) tell me what treatments to use and how, and I'm not looking for medical advice. If I'm being perfectly honest, I'm just hoping to hear that other folks have been in similar shoes to mine dealing with not just apnea but other stuff as well, and maybe got past their struggles / found some success.

I was diagnosed like 5 years ago with: mild sleep apnea (I forget my AHI but I think it was 9 or 10), insomnia, and delayed sleep phase syndrome.

Treatment then was CPAP, and CBT for my sleep hygiene. I worked from home at the time for a company 2 hours behind me in time zone, so the delayed sleep phase thing wasn't as much of a problem - I could go to bed late and wake late.

I couldn't comply with the CPAP, though. It'd constantly wake me up in the middle of the night, I'd be uncomfortable, take off the mask, etc, and feel miserable in the morning / all next day - often even worse than before I was trying the CPAP. I tried it on and off for a year and couldn't stick with it.

At the time, my doctor said to me "your sleep apnea is so mild I generally wouldn't even treat it... but you complain of being tired all the time, so we should try it" -- that wasn't exactly motivating for me.

The "unique" problem I'm having is that I have so many factors screwing up my sleep. I've tried to have better sleep hygiene - but the insomnia / difficulty falling or staying asleep makes that really hard (what good does it do getting in bed at 11pm when I'm tossing/turning 'til 3am?). I've tried quitting coffee (which I love the taste of but doesn't seem to give me an energy boost anyway) and just having decaf for over a month. My prescription glasses have a blue light filter, as do my computers and phone. I've tried being better about screen time. I pay for Headspace and try to meditate and/or at least use the Sleepcasts to help me fall asleep.

The problem is, it feels like the only way I'll ever have a good night's sleep is if I can fix everything... what good is the CPAP if my insomnia has me sleeping poorly anyway? How can I address my inability to fall asleep / stay asleep when the CPAP is distracting -- or doing so without the CPAP means I'm still feeling like shit the next day anyway?

Fast forward to several weeks ago and I'm back at a new sleep doctor trying my damnedest to attack these problems anyway, but it's really, really discouraging. I had another sleep study done, and I do still have mild apnea. I'm wait

Any good sources on how to manage insomnia and circadian rhythm disorders?

I understand that circadian rhythm disorders are permanent and very difficult to treat and if you do it's usually only for a few weeks and then it reverts the way it normally is. Basically it's like being jet-lagged all the time.

Doing a quick google search of "extreme difficulty waking up" this morning lead me to stumble upon a condition I've never heard of before call Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome. I strongly suspect I suffer from this, and while reading about it I learned it is apparently really common for ADHDers to have. Here is the wikipedia article about it.

I've had a lot of trouble sleeping on a regular schedule ever since I was about 12. Even if I have no reason to stay awake, I can't maintain a regular bedtime earlier than 2-3am. I tend to feel rather drowsy during the early part of the day, regardless of how much sleep I got the night before. I'm most awake between ~8pm and midnight. I've noticed that even when I do feel alert during the day, it never compares to how alert I become at night.

Waking up seems to be particularly difficult for me. I think to myself that I'd rather sacrifice my first-born child than get out of bed most mornings haha. It seems like the most difficult thing I've ever had to do. Because of this, my morning brain has become an expert at rationalizing skipping classes/work. This causes me to be extremely depressed/anxious later in the day when my brain actually wakes up and I realize how I really couldn't get away with sleeping in. It always seems to make perfect sense when I just wake up, though...

During summer break, if I don't have a job that requires me to get up early, I usually sleep from between 4-6am until 12-3pm. I absolutely hate feeling like I missed out on most of the day, yet can't consistently maintain a reasonable sleep schedule. When I first started adderall, this helped my sleep schedule a lot. It gives me energy during the day that I've never had before. I slept from 12-8 most nights for about two weeks. Then I reverted back to my old ways. It's starting to really take a toll on my classes.

Does anyone else here experience the same/similar thing? I'm really curious to see how many people here can relate

I've found that as a society, people often dismiss sleep disorders as something easily fixed by a sleeping pill or something caused by simple irresponsibility over sleep hygiene. Most people don't even know what the circadian rhythm is and why we should pay attention to it, which means they don't really know what happens when it screws up.

Brains of persons with Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome (DSPS, sometimes called Disorder or DSPD) do not emit the chemicals that induce sleepiness until late at night - normally between 2-5 am. This means that after 8 hours of solid, restful sleep the person wakes normally between 10 am - 1 pm. Essentially, we are 2nd shift people living in a 1st shift world. My brain also cannot regulate my sleep schedule, so my sleep/wake times vary widely every single day. It sucks.

Here is my sleep study: Pages 1-5.
This is my letter from my sleep doctor.

I could go on, but I figured I'd leave some room for questions. AMA.

I’m a senior in high school and I think all the late nights studying have caused me to develop this. Now it’s starting to interfere with my grades and my ability to get to my early classes. A recent post here led me to some research and this condition sounds scarily similar to what I’m going through. Any tips?

It totally makes sense now. I tend to stay up pretty late before bed and I thought it was just a bad habit of mine. Whenever I tried to correct my sleep, I would try to go to bed by 10 pm and there was just no way my body would give in. I’d rest my head on my pillow but my mind is wide awake.

I made a post asking about insomnia and adhd having a correlation and most everyone said that they’d just have to wait very late to go to bed (1-3 am) and then they’d have a good nights rest and sleep in a little till 9 am or later. Damn this changes the game. I now have decent sleep. Kinda hard to beat if you have to go to school or work in the morning and you don’t have the option of sleeping in

Yeeeep... Let's see how long this lasts

EDIT: I went to bed last night at about 7pm, so I should be a bit more coherent, ask me anything. I'mma edit some responses to make them a bit more legible

I wondering if this is to blame, and not insomnia? So, I never had problems sleeping until about 5 years ago. I was always a great sleeper as a kid, and even as an adolescent. When I was 22, I started at a job where my hours were 3 am to 12 pm, and I had a long drive to work, so I had to wake up at 1:45 am. I did this job for a little under 2 years before my body couldn't take it anymore. I've had a job with normal office hours (8 am to 5 pm) for just under 4 years now. Every now and then, I'll go through bouts of insomnia where I just cannot fall asleep until 2 or 3 in the morning. Even if I'm tired, I simply cannot fall asleep. It feels sometimes like my body cant sleep yet, even though I'm tired. Last night i slept from 2:30 to 7:30 am.

I've read online that normally, this syndrome is genetic. I'm wondering, can shift work cause this as well, and can it take years to fix? I usually never have completely sleepless nights (I've only had a few in my life) but I have nights where it will take me hours to finally go to sleep.

I figure /r/RAOA would be better than askreddit for this since it represents a different group of people. All my life I have never been able to wake up earlier than 11. I have tried going to bed as early as 7pm, still slept late. I at once had 5 alarm clocks all across and around my room, turned them off in my sleep and dont remember a thing.

I am running out of options to try here and am close to failing my second year of college only 2 weeks in.

What do you do to wake up in the morning?

All my life I've had trouble going to bed; often laying awake in bed 30min - 2 hours after attempting to sleep (even with sleep aides). This leads me to be tired everyday for work and then sleeping 10 hours a night on Fri/Sat nights (and feeling great on Sat/Sun).

I stumbled upon this PDF:

>Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome (DSPS) is a circadian rhythm disorder characterized by an abnormally delayed sleep-wake rhythm. The major symptoms of DSPS are extreme diYculty to initiate sleep at a conventional hour of the night and great diYculty to wake up on time in the morning for school or work (Weitzman et al. 1981). The aetiology of DSPS is mostly unknown (Aldrich 1996), although several developmental and environmental factors have been suggested (Dahlitz 1991) like e.g. long labour (Dahlitz 1991), infections (Dahlitz 1991) or shift work (DCSC 1990). Once initiated, the sleep of DSPS patients is well consolidated with normal sleep architecture and total sleep time, and no sleep pathology (Aldrich 1996). In adolescents, a prevalence of greater than 7% is suggested (Regestein and Pavlova 1995; Pelayo et al. 1988), whereas in middle aged adults a prevalence of 0.7% is found (Ando et al. 1995)

This sure sounds like it could describe me. They propose some methods to alter your sleep pattern, most notably in this paper, the use of taking melatonin very early in the evening:

>Melatonin was administered five hours before the individual DLMO. After treatment, the onset of the nocturnal melatonin profile was significantly advanced by approximately 1.5 hour.

Anyone give this a try?

• DOI/PMID/ISBN: PMID 2106634

• [URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2106634

I know from years of experience that the schedule my body likes is a full 180 deg of difference from how society runs: I get sleepy around 7AM, and wake up (happily) around 3PM. I’ve never had a job that could accommodate such a clock, and because of it i’ve both consciously and unconsciously led myself towards independent, but unstable, career choices.

I’m in my 40s now, and have been this way since childhood, so i know all the miseries of sleep deprivation, having to slog thru schedules that just feel wrong on my body, being apprehensive of morning time commitments and feeling just awful if i mess up... Fortunately I’ve also learned a few adjustments that tend to work for me, though it’s never perfect.

Do those of you who have gotten formally diagnosed with DSPS see any benefit to the diagnosis, besides being able to get relevant medication (which I’d really rather avoid)? Anything to make our lives easier, like does it open the door to support systems or whatnot? Do any workplaces recognize this kind of condition?

It's winds up being, for all intents and purposes, quite a bit like having straight up insomnia. Even since I was a little kid, I've always come alive at night. I'm completely nocturnal by nature. When I do fall asleep I don't have any problem staying asleep (it's damn near impossible to wake me), but I can't ever fall asleep when I should.

I have tried Ambien, but it gave me crippling headaches the next morning. Lunesta didn't do anything at all except make all my food taste funny. Marijuana makes me think everyone hates me and I'm about to have a heart attack. Xanax is what I'm currently using to fall asleep, and it works so long as I only take it a couple nights a week. I'm not crazy about how foggy I feel the following day either. Benadryl knocks me out, but exacerbates my already pretty bad RLS.

I have a Suntouch lamp that I'm using in the mornings now (don't know if it's helping yet) and I'm about to start on a more natural approach to sleep aids. Specifically, 5-htp, melatonin, and a sleep aid supplement that contains valerian root and gaba. Does anyone have any experience with the best time of day to be taking this stuff? I know melatonin should be 30 to 60 minutes before bed, but I've read everything from first thing in the morning to right before bed when it comes to 5-htp dosage.

I have seen the dark and twisted lunatic that lurks just behind the mask of sanity that is the well-rested version of myself. After three days awake I start to display all the major signs of paranoid schizophrenia. The longest I've gone without sleep was five and a half days, and one of the last things I remember before I finally passed out was leaning against a wall and crying because I couldn't tell if the voices I was hearing were people actually talking to me, or if they were just in my head. I don't ever want to delve that deeply into the inner recesses of my demented soul again, so shortly after that I made sure I always had sleeping pills on hand, just in case it had been more than 48 hours since I slept. It's worked okay so far, but what I'd really like is to just go to bed, sleep, and then wake up and go to work feeling rested.

Yes I have all of these. It makes my life shitty. I can't fall asleep until about 4AM and I wake at about 7:30.

I don't like talking to people so I don't usually acknowledge them (I also suffer partial face blindness so sometimes I don't even know who I'm looking at)... which fucks up my job prospects.

I hate myself. I deserve to suffer.

I was correctly diagnosed with DSPS by the first doctor whom I talked to about it, but he did not give me useful / accurate advice about how to manage it. For a long time (10 years) I tried all the wrong things. Only recently, through much digging around on the Internet and a lot of trial and error, have I come up with a routine that mostly works. It's not perfect, though, so I want to compare notes with other people to give them and me ideas on what else to try.

Step 0: Good sleep hygiene

There's tons of info about this out there, so I won't go into immense detail. For me, it boils down to:

• dim all lights ~3 hrs before sleep, including computer screens (this was very important)
• only use your bed (and, ideally, your bedroom) for sleeping
• if you can't get to sleep after ~30 min, get up, do something boring, and try again
• daily exercise (in the morning or afternoon, not before bed)

Step 1: Bedtime medication

• Melatonin: currently, 3 mcg (.3 mg) taken 3 hrs before bedtime
• Sedative: currently, 2120 mg valerian taken 2.5 hrs before bedtime; also, 1-2 shots (2 oz) alcohol, taken 1-2 hrs before bedtime

Step 3: Morning medication

• Stimulant: 200-250 mg caffeine taken 0-30 minutes after waking up
• Light: exposure to bright light upon waking up

Results

My original sleep time was around 4:00 or 5:00, and my original wake time was around 12:00 or 13:00. My current sleep time is usually between 23:00 and 00:00 (target: 23:30, so when I say above that I take my melatonin "3 hrs before bedtime", I mean 20:30), and my current wake time is usually between 6:00 and 9:00 (target: 7:00).

The biggest problem I am having right now is stability; I've moved my sleep and wake times up significantly, but my sleep time can vary by as much as 4.5 hours (22:30 earliest, 3:00 latest) and my wake time can vary by as much as 3 hours (5:30 earliest, 9:30 latest)

Other notes

I track my sleep so that I can see how changes in medication, dosage, and timing effect my sleep and wake time. There are a lot of variables I could track, but to keep things simple I just track the dose and timing of my melatonin and sedatives, and my sleep and wake time.

What else I've tried

I started with a higher dose of melatonin, .5 mg, just because that's what I had (I cut 3 mg pills into six pieces). It might be helpful to start a slightly higher dose, as I did, and then bring it down when your sleep time is where you want it; and, of course, you'll

Hi. I have DSPS. Basically when I didn't know about it, I used to say to everyone that I have a "rolling routine" and joke about it. Now as I enter my practical life with job studying etc it is getting really difficult. I sleep 1.5 to 2 hours late every single day. And sleep for 9 hours without any alarms. This is my routine without any obligations like going to the library or job etc. But whenever I try reseting my routine, my mind becomes foggy, I cant concentrate no matter how much caffeine I take. It just doesn't work. I have tried melatonin in the past but it dumbs me down to an extent that I cannot learn things during my study session the next day. Nothing helps. If I let go, I am happy sleeping around 2 hours late everyday. Infact I am so focused and productive that I sometimes don't believe if it is me. Fixed routine is a nightmare for me. I exercise occasionally and go to bed only when sleepy. No caffeine 5 to 7 hours before bed. Dark room. Shower. I have done everything but still a little latw everyday. I dont have problem living like this for the rest of my life but since everything in this world is sceduled around a perfect 24 hour clock, i am doomed. Any advice about how to cope would be nice. Thanks

I have found I can completely eliminate my extreme DSPS (delayed sleep phase syndrome) disability with a keto diet, as long as I stay on it. To many carbs and I find my schedule reverts just as fast. I have been trying various things since I was diagnosed but have been un responsive to melatonin and the artificial melatonin that is approx 10x the strength. Light therapy didn't work at all. I researched various diets and found the keto diet in relation to seizures. Did some searching on the cause of its effect and only found some theories on it preventing a allergy response to glucose or carbs. Since then I have been on and off the keto diet and each time about 3-4 days into the diet there is an instant switch to a 'normal' schedule of me waking up at 6-7 am and sleeping at 10-11ish. My normal DSPS schedule is ridiculous at going to sleep at 5-6 in the morning, with some times rotating hours, waking up in the after noon sometime. So this is a huge difference, especially with work being difficult to manage with that kind of schedule. Since then I have found a study showing keto diets affect internal clocks schedules and could be used for various other neuro treatments, it is apparently somewhat effective for Parkinson's. http://www.aist.go.jp/aist_e/latest_research/2009/20090813/20090813.html Biggest problem is a keto diet can be expensive with meat, eggs and such costing quiet a bit more than carb diets. So I go on and off based on my budget right now.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_syndrome

I have been dependant on sleeping piles for quite a while. A few days ago, I stopped taking them in an effort to correct this. It involved not being able to fall asleep until 7 A.M. and then sleeping til 4 P.M., then not sleeping until 12 P.M. and taking a 3 hour nap. Today- or rather yesterday, seeing as it is now past twelve- I fell asleep at 3 A.M. and slept till 3 P.M.

I almost always sleep though multiple alarms or end up turning them off in a half-awake state and falling asleep again. My mum has to then wake me up for school, rendering the alarms useless.

I stumbled across a comment in /r/luciddreaming that mentioned somnolence, which led me to web search the term, which led me to its wiki page, which led me to the page listed at the beginning of this post.

Any advice or tips?

For those unaware: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_syndrome

I feel at my best if I wake up at around noon and go to bed at around 4-5 in the morning.

I spent a large portion of my life thinking I was simply a lazy bastard for not wanting to get up in the morning, but the few times I had work/luxury that allowed me to wake/sleep at times I preferred, I found myself more energetic/healthier/happier than ever.

The issue at hand is living in a world that does not cater to people like me too well. There are not too many jobs available that I find interesting/worth doing that would fit this time frame. Almost a lifetime of having to wake/sleep at times when I don't feel naturally inclined to is mildly torturous. There has to be a better method.

On one hand I hate to complain about something that may seem trivial. On the other hand, the majority of my life has been spent feeling rather....defeated. I don't think I'm depressed, but I'm feeling a sort of learned helplessness, like it never gets better than this.

Does anyone have this problem? Is anyone else a night owl? And my biggest question: is there any work/lifestyle that suits people like me better?

Thanks to all!

Has anyone gotten this due to long term use of medications (namely Adderall)?

For the past couple months, I just can't fall asleep at night, resulting in me missing all my classes in the morning (sometimes, all in total).

Taking a lower dose means the medication stops working and Melatonin doesn't seem to help.

Anyone got any tips?

Who here suffers from delayed sleep phase syndrome ?

I'm in my late 20's and have had severe insomnia and DSPS for many years. To be honest I've never really done much reading on it, just what my doctor suggests, so feel free to give me information/advice as well as asking questions.