Wideacre Puns

Before the premier of Season 2 of GoT, GRRM talked about his inspirations for ASOIAF:

"I read a lot of historical fiction, both the classic writers of historical fiction that I read many decades ago... and some of the more contemporary writers of historical fiction, like Bernard Cornwell, Sharon Kay Penman, and Philippa Gregory." [x]

While some of these influences have been discussed at length before, Philippa Gregory's influence over GRRM has not. For those that don't know, Philippa Gregory is a historical novelist whose most famous book is 2001's The Other Boleyn Girl. Most have taken GRRM's reference to Gregory to indicate GRRM was influenced by that book in writing ASOIAF, but I want to talk about one of Gregory's lesser-known works: Wideacre, which was first published in 1987.

I think there are a lot of similarities between Cersei's arc and that of Wideacre's main character, Beatrice Lacey. In this post, I will outline the similarities between these two characters and propose that GRRM was inspired by Beatrice when writing Cersei. I will also offer a couple of suggestions as to what this means for where Cersei's arc will go in the future. Hope you enjoy!

(also, thanks to u/natassia74 for discussing this with me!)

Wideacre spoilers ahead!

Wideacre**: The Plot**

Beatrice Lacey is the only daughter of the Squire of Wideacre, a country estate in eighteenth century England. She is very close to her father, and idolises him as an embodiment of the estate, the land, and her family itself. While Beatrice wants to be the Lady of Wideacre herself, she has a brother called Harry. When she is young, Beatrice is enraged by the sexist system that makes Harry the heir (lol) and her expendable, and becomes determined to supplant her brother, whatever the cost.

During her childhood, she meets a young "gypsy" boy called Ralph. By the time they are teenagers, their relationship turns sexual. Ralph eventually reveals that he has ambitions to one day rule Wideacre himself, and the two of them come up with a plan to rob Harry of his inheritance and marry each other, so Beatrice can become Lady of Wideacre. When Beatrice points out the plan is impossible because her father is still alive, Ralph suggests that he could kill the Squire the next day while the latter is out riding, and

I won't spoil the book here but my god. She just got worse and worse. It was riveting, though. It was like watching a trainwreck in agonizingly slow motion. The tragedy is that she was just a teenager and nearly all of the misery she caused herself wouldn't have been possible if she wasn't beautiful.

I am a longtime reader of Philippa Gregory and a history teacher. I know that she flubs the history or completely makes things up and while it makes me grit my teeth, I can get over it.

But seriously, what I can't get over is her insane obsession with incest. That's what makes things bad for me, like wtf is her deal with incest? Let's take it apart piece by piece:

1. The Other Boleyn Girl: George Boleyn is frequently depicted as intimately kissing both Mary and Anne Boleyn and then it's heavily, heavily implied that he has sex with Anne, his own sister.
2. The Boleyn Inheritance: It is implied that Anne of Cleves brother has a sexual interest in her and likes to see her whipped because he gets sexual pleasure from it. Also, a 16 year old Katherine Howard tries seducing a 60 year old Thomas Howard, her UNCLE.
3. The Queen's Fool: Teenage Elizabeth has a relationship with 40 year old Thomas Seymour, her step-father. I know it doesn't really count but it infuriates me that PG blames it on Elizabeth being a "whore" and not Seymour, who should be a mature man at 40.
4. Constant Princess: Henry VIII is instantly in love with Catherine of Aragon, despite being 10 years old, and the biggest attraction of all is that his brother Arthur had her first.
5. The White Queen/Cousin's War Series: Isabel Neville and George and Anne Neville and Richard III are all first cousins who marry which, while it could be excused, Richard III also has a sexual thing with his niece. Like wtf, the Hapsburgs and their incest are only an ocean away and we know it's a seriously bad idea when nieces and uncles get together romantically, so PG why would you do this? Are you blind to what happens when uncles-nieces reproduce together?
6. Wideacre Trilogy: This one takes the cake for me. You have a brother and a sister having sex and reproducing two kids: a boy and a girl. Then, those two incest kids get together and reproduce again, leading to another daughter. And nobody has any mental issues despite being the product of 2 generations of brother-sister incest.

I don't care how hot it is, I cannot get past the close incest. Like, at least 4 books have cases with brother-sister incest. Has PG ever had a sibling? Cause I do and my husband does and most people with sibling's I talk to could not stand them long enough to form some kind of romantic interest in them. In my experience, nobody gets you to crazy rage faster than a sibling does.

Why is she so interested in incest?

Do your worst!

Pilot on me!!

Dad jokes are supposed to be jokes you can tell a kid and they will understand it and find it funny.

This sub is mostly just NSFW puns now.

If it needs a NSFW tag it's not a dad joke. There should just be a NSFW puns subreddit for that.

Edit* I'm not replying any longer and turning off notifications but to all those that say "no one cares", there sure are a lot of you arguing about it. Maybe I'm wrong but you people don't need to be rude about it. If you really don't care, don't comment.

For context I'm a Refuse Driver (Garbage man) & today I was on food waste. After I'd tipped I was checking the wagon for any defects when I spotted a lone pea balanced on the lifts.

I said "hey look, an escaPEA"

No one near me but it didn't half make me laugh for a good hour or so!

What did 0 say to 8 ?

" Nice Belt "

So What did 3 say to 8 ?

" Hey, you two stop making out "

I won't be doing that today!

You take away their little brooms

There hasn't been a post all year!

It’s pronounced “Noel.”

After all his first name is No-vac

What, then, is Chinese rap?

Edit:

Notable mentions from the comments:

• Spanish/Swedish/Swiss/Serbian hits

• French/Finnish art

• Country/Canadian rap

• Chinese/Country/Canadian rock

• Turkish/Tunisian/Taiwanese rap

There hasn't been a single post this year!

(Happy 2022 from New Zealand)

Bob

Just to clarify, 12345678

I was just sitting there doing nothing.

Me grabbing a soda from my (what I thought was) half full 12pk...

Notices there's only 2;

Me: "Awe man... This is a damn bird box!" Her: "What the hell does that mean?!" Me: (Pulls both cans out & shows them to her) "It's only got Toucans."

I'm not ashamed to admit the look on her face was glorious.

“BOOM”?!

Because his Visa didn’t work.

"That's what they're fighting about."

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A happy Uncle.....

"Beauty, because beauty is in the eye of the bee-holder!"

I’d never seen him be 4.

Back in the 2010s, GRRM talked about his inspirations for ASOIAF:

"I read a lot of historical fiction, both the classic writers of historical fiction that I read many decades ago... and some of the more contemporary writers of historical fiction, like Bernard Cornwell, Sharon Kay Penman, and Philippa Gregory." [x]

While some of these influences have been discussed at length before, Philippa Gregory's influence over GRRM has not. For those that don't know, Philippa Gregory is a historical novelist whose most famous book is 2001's The Other Boleyn Girl. Most have taken GRRM's reference to Gregory to indicate GRRM was influenced by that book in writing ASOIAF, but I want to talk about one of Gregory's lesser-known works: Wideacre, which was first published in 1987.

I think there are a lot of similarities between Cersei's arc and that of Wideacre's main character, Beatrice Lacey. In this post, I will outline the similarities between these two characters and propose that GRRM was inspired by Beatrice when writing Cersei. I will also offer a couple of suggestions as to what this means for where Cersei's arc will go in the future. Hope you enjoy!

(also, thanks to u/natassia74 for discussing this with me!)

Wideacre spoilers ahead!

Wideacre**: The Plot**

Beatrice Lacey is the only daughter of the Squire of Wideacre, a country estate in eighteenth century England. She is very close to her father, and idolises him as an embodiment of the estate, the land, and her family itself. While Beatrice wants to be the Lady of Wideacre herself, she has a brother called Harry. When she is young, Beatrice is enraged by the sexist system that makes Harry the heir (lol) and her expendable, and becomes determined to supplant her brother, whatever the cost.

During her childhood, she meets a young "gypsy" boy called Ralph. By the time they are teenagers, their relationship turns sexual. Ralph eventually reveals that he has ambitions to one day rule Wideacre himself, and the two of them come up with a plan to rob Harry of his inheritance and marry each other, so Beatrice can become Lady of Wideacre. When Beatrice points out the plan is impossible because her father is still alive, Ralph suggests that he could kill the Squire the next day while the latter is out riding, and Beatrice tentati

Back in the 2010s, GRRM talked about his inspirations for ASOIAF:

>"I read a lot of historical fiction, both the classic writers of historical fiction that I read many decades ago... and some of the more contemporary writers of historical fiction, like Bernard Cornwell, Sharon Kay Penman, and Philippa Gregory." [x]

While some of these influences have been discussed at length before, Philippa Gregory's influence over GRRM has not. For those that don't know, Philippa Gregory is a historical novelist whose most famous book is 2001's The Other Boleyn Girl. Most have taken GRRM's reference to Gregory to indicate GRRM was influenced by that book in writing ASOIAF, but I want to talk about one of Gregory's lesser-known works: Wideacre, which was first published in 1987.

I think there are a lot of similarities between Cersei's arc and that of Wideacre's main character, Beatrice Lacey. In this post, I will outline the similarities between these two characters and propose that GRRM was inspired by Beatrice when writing Cersei. I will also offer a couple of suggestions as to what this means for where Cersei's arc will go in the future. Hope you enjoy!

(also, thanks to u/natassia74 for discussing this with me!)

Wideacre spoilers ahead!

Wideacre: The Plot

Beatrice Lacey is the only daughter of the Squire of Wideacre, a country estate in eighteenth century England. She is very close to her father, and idolises him as an embodiment of the estate, the land, and her family itself. While Beatrice wants to be the Lady of Wideacre herself, she has a brother called Harry. When she is young, Beatrice is enraged by the sexist system that makes Harry the heir (lol) and her expendable, and becomes determined to supplant her brother, whatever the cost.

During her childhood, she meets a young "gypsy" boy called Ralph. By the time they are teenagers, their relationship turns sexual. Ralph eventually reveals that he has ambitions to one day rule Wideacre himself, and the two of them come up with a plan to rob Harry of his inheritance and marry each other, so Beatrice can become Lady of Wideacre. When Beatrice points out the plan is impossible because her father is still alive, Ralph suggests that he could kill the Squire the next day while the latter is out riding, and Beatrice tentatively a

This morning, my 4 year old daughter.

Daughter: I'm hungry

Me: nerves building, smile widening

Me: Hi hungry, I'm dad.

She had no idea what was going on but I finally did it.

Thank you all for listening.

So that I could frequently say, "I am going to walk 5 miles now."