Twelve Tribes of Israel Puns

I've read that Joseph's descendants were formed into two tribes, manasse, and ephraim. If that's true, shouldn't there be 13 tribes since Jacob had 12 sons? or am i just really bad at math lol.

Thanks to all who respond

Like, can I go up to some random Jew on the street and ask them, and they'd respond "Yeah I belong to the tribe of Manasseh"?

Israel had twelve sons, one of whom is Joseph, but there is no "tribe of Joseph."

Instead, Israel honors Joseph uniquely by giving his two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, Joseph's place among the sons of Israel. However, 12-1+2=13, not 12.

Is this why Manasseh is called a half-tribe in Joshua?

"And to the Reubenites, the Gadites, and the half-tribe of Manas′seh Joshua said..." (Joshua 1:12).

I just dicovered this trait. How does one get it, and is it passed down?

Hello all -- I hope you are well and will welcome me here! I have some sincere questions to ask about the split of the twelve tribes of Israel as described in the Tanakh.

Background: I am familiar that, per 1 Kings, Solomon's marriage to foreign women against the commands of the LORD -- and his subsequent idolatry -- are either directly or indirectly connected to HaShem splitting the Israelite kingdom in two during his son Rehoboam's reign. As I understand it, this division is between the northern kingdom of Israel (consisting of ten tribes ruled by Solomon's servant Jeroboam), and the southern kingdom of Judah (consisting of Judah and Benjamin).

On to my inquiries:

1. To what extent were the two Israelite "coalitions", for lack of a better term, violent enemies or (on the other end of the spectrum) simply indifferent neighbors?

2. What are the most important / profound effects of this division that would not be felt until later, as described within the writings of the Tanakh?

3. Did this division affect the circumstances or severity of the periods of Jewish captivity, oppression, and outside-control pursuant to the text of the Tanakh? If so, in what major ways was this the case?

4. Does "prejudice" regarding other Jews' tribal heritage ever continue to present day on account of this division, or is it primarily a historical relic by now?

Any other related information you find interesting is something I'd very much enjoy hearing as well.

To anyone who indulges me, thank you so much for your reply! Your time and knowledge is greatly appreciated. God bless you.

So i found and have heard every now and again about the tribes of israel being influenced by the zodiac (judah = Leo for example). The obvious claim is that the Old testament is rife with pagan influence and should be discarded. I don’t see much though outside of that. Any ideas?

I’ve just heard rumors about them for years - wondering if anyone has had any personal experiences with this group?

https://www.timescall.com/2022/01/11/twelve-tribes-fire-burn-reported/

Looking more and more like this Twelve Tribes cult was the cause.

Firefighters called to trash fire at Twelve Tribes compound days before Marshall fire, but burn deemed legal

Passerby reported seeing large, unattended fire at Eldorado Springs Drive property on Christmas Eve

Firefighters responded to a trash fire at the property that has been a focus of the Marshall fire investigation six days before the fast-moving wildfire blazed a swath of destruction across Boulder County, according to a fire department report obtained by The Denver Post.

At 11:53 a.m. on Dec. 24, a concerned passerby alerted authorities to a fire at 5325 Eldorado Springs Drive, a compound occupied by members of the Twelve Tribes religious sect. A Mountain View Fire Rescue crew investigated the fire that day and left without extinguishing it because it was not illegal, the report shows.

Clare Tone, the Eldorado Springs resident who reported the trash fire, said she told authorities she saw a large, unattended fire on the property and was concerned because of dry and windy conditions that day.

“The flames were tall and I didn’t see any human beings around,” she said.

The Twelve Tribes compound is now under investigation as authorities try to pinpoint where the deadly Dec. 30 wildfire began. Boulder County sheriff’s investigators fenced off the property and served a search warrant on the compound, where a witness’ video on the day of the Marshall fire showed a shed burning.

Investigators have not pinpointed the cause or start of the blaze and it is unclear if the Marshall fire began on the Twelve Tribes compound. Boulder County Sheriff Joe Pelle said the wildfire started somewhere in that neighborhood, but cautioned against jumping to conclusions.

After the passerby’s call on Christmas Eve, firefighters from Mountain View Fire Rescue arrived at the Twelve Tribes compound to discover a man burning trash in a dirt field, according to a fire department report. The fire could be seen from the road, the report says.

“He stated that he would be burning railroad ties for the next few hours,” the report reads. “He also had a front-end loader and a water source established for control measures.”

The area was not under a burn ban or any wind warnings that day, according to the National Weather Service in Boulder. The Twelve Tribes property sits off the east side of Colorado 93, just beyond the boundaries of a Boulder

>And [recall] when Moses prayed for water for his people, so We said, "Strike with your staff the stone." And there gushed forth from it twelve springs, and every people knew its watering place. "Eat and drink from the provision of Allah , and do not commit abuse on the earth, spreading corruption." And [recall] when you said, "O Moses, we can never endure one [kind of] food. So call upon your Lord to bring forth for us from the earth its green herbs and its cucumbers and its garlic and its lentils and its onions." [Moses] said, "Would you exchange what is better for what is less? Go into [any] settlement and indeed, you will have what you have asked." And they were covered with humiliation and poverty and returned with anger from Allah [upon them]. That was because they [repeatedly] disbelieved in the signs of Allah and killed the prophets without right. That was because they disobeyed and were [habitually] transgressing. (2:60-61)

NOTICE: The above passage is pretty straight-talking. I have previously argued why I don't believe the Quran is inherently anti-semetic here.

The tale of Moses striking a stone appears several times in both the Bible and Quran, perhaps implying the thirst of the Jewish people was quenched in this miraculous manner on more than one occasion. In the Quran we read:

>And We divided them into twelve descendant tribes [as distinct] nations. And We inspired to Moses when his people implored him for water, "Strike with your staff the stone," and there gushed forth from it twelve springs. Every people knew its watering place. (7:160)

The spring was split into twelve sections for each of the twelve tribes of Israel. It may be worth briefly noting how the Israelites came to be divided in this manner. The nation began with the prophet Jacob, who according to the Bible was also given the name Israel:

>And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel (Genesis 32:28)

Jacob had twelve sons, one of whom was called Judah, from which the term 'Jew' apparently originates. Anyhow, these sons migrated to Egypt and there - roughly four centuries after Jacob lived - Moses was born, by which time the line from each of Jacob's twelve sons had formed its own distinct tribe. Collectively, the Quran refers to the descendants of these twelve tribes as the 'Children of Israel'.

Returning to today's reading, the verse