I'm not sure what the extent of their influence was but originally it was started by a Mormon convert named Robert Jay Matthews who heavily recruited amongst the membership. Apparently, the rift between Mormons and non-Mormons in the group was the beginning of its demise but also played a key role in establishing a neo-Nazi/white supremacist network along the Pacific Northwest, probably the origin of other groups like in Republic, Washington this year that were broken up by the FBI. I have family in eastern Washington but I'm not particularly close with them. I know the '70s and 80s would have been a crazy turn with some of the more maligned racist members. My grandpa was part of the John Birch Society and I'm aware that Benson taught in general conference that civil rights was part of a dangerous socialist plot. The priesthood was finally integrated in 1978 and not everyone was entirely on board, some even jumped to the Allred clan in the United Apostolic Brethren. I'm curious if anyone has any personal anecdotes or experiences related to this movement? I think they would have had a similar following to the Julie Rowe group.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Order_(white_supremacist_group)
I've been thinking about this for a while and wanted to know what you thought. The Civil Rights Movement becomes active in the 1950s just like in our timeline and the backlash by segregationists could provide a window of opportunity for German intelligence to create ties with the KKK and other groups opposed to the movement. America's neo-nazi's got their start during this time as a response to the racial status quo being challenged.
It wouldn't surprise me if in this timeline the Germans had the idea of using the situation to their advantage. They could disseminate propaganda saying that despite the defeat of the USSR, communists had infiltrated the US government and intended to allow the 'lesser races' to pursue some Jewish backed plot to destroy the white race in America, and that democratic means were no longer able to preserve white supremacy.
I've even got a little head canon going about the Abwehr planning to use these groups to cause disruption following war breaking out between the Reich and the Toronto Accord by attacking defense infrastructure as well as causing general chaos through bombings. This would result in a crackdown by both the US military and the FBI on white supremacist groups that could be taking orders from Germany.
Your thoughts?
Here in the US, right-wing militias are seen as the greatest domestic national security threat. I’ve seen several articles about Canadians becoming victims of conspiracies such as QAnon, but less about white supremacy and neonazism directly.
To give you a better feel of what I’m asking: if Erin O’Toole, Andy Scheer, and other Conservative MP’s, after a Federal Election, spread unsubstantiated claims that the Liberal Party and NDP had stolen seats from them, thus preventing the Conservatives from forming government, and on the day the MP’s were to take office or the PM was to be sworn in, hosted a rally in Ottawa, would it be likely that right wing, white supremacist groups would storm and vandalize Canadian government buildings and threaten to hang MP’s with several MP’s seeing nothing wrong with it and refusing to investigate the event?
Because that is more or less what happened and is continuing to happen in the United States.
I'm mass-turd-baiting.
It seems like the obvious option. Frank has never had respect for people who co-opted his logo and tried to emulate him. He knows that he's a bad person who does bad things and is outwardly disgusted by people who admire and support what he does.
And yet, these freaks take his iconic skull logo and paint a thin blue line on it, acting like Frank would be on their side when frankly (no pun intended) half of them would wind up with a bullet in their head.
So why doesn't Marvel do that? Make a comic where the Punisher viciously murders white supremacists as a clear cut message that he does not represent them. I'd read it even if Garth Ennis was the writer. I would happily overlook every gratuitous rape scene, disparaging god and religion and constantly crapping on superheroes so long as he shows Frank brutally killing every dirty cop, neo-Nazi, and Klansmen he can get his hands on.
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