My TBM spouse just threw Miracle of Forgiveness in the trash

I just need to share this. My wife came home from church today in tears (our son and I had been home sick), because they had split the ward and she wouldn’t be in class with her sister anymore. To top it off, they called her to the primary. I tried to comfort her through this, which became a close-call argument on eternal families (she knows where I stand as an exmo).

And THEN, just a few hours later she reorganizes the bookshelf. She asks me what I think and I take a chance. I point out that Miracle of Forgiveness isn’t even TSCC endorsed anymore, and is incredibly homophobic. She said, β€œokay,” flipped through it for about a minute and then just dropped it in the trash can. I actually hesitated and felt bad, because a book is a book, but decided the trash was the lesser of two evils.

No book did more damage to my sexuality as a teen than Spencer W. Kimball’s little projection-fest.

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The miracle of forgiveness
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Official church position: The Miracle of Forgiveness

Is there an official church position on the validity of the Miracle of Forgiveness in terms of its alignment with gospel principles and church policies?

I was given an assignment by a local church leader to read it and I had some concern with the assignment. I have since found out that it does not appear to be on the gospel library app and it is also problematic to order.

I have heard previously that the church has not officially said anything about it in terms of some of the problematic teachings but that it no longer emphasises it like it did in the past, such as when it was part of the β€œmissionary library”

I would also appreciate anyone in priesthood leadership that is aware of any counsel that has been given from general authorities etc on whether or not to encourage members to read it etc

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Did you know that masturbation causes homosexuality? Also, The Miracle of Forgiveness makes great kindling.
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Anyone know if general authorities get to keep the money from the books they shill? For instance, did Kimball get all that Miracle of Forgiveness coin?
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Ordered a used Copy of The Miracle of Forgiveness. It came with a special bonus gift. Can’t WAIT to explore this craziness on the next episode of the Latter Day Lesbian Podcast.
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Christmas miracle! My teacher loan forgiveness was approved by the DoE and my balance is now $0.00!

What a surprise! I just got the notification and then checked my account on FedLoan. All paid off! Close to $16k. Anyone out there who's waiting to hear back, just be patient and keep hope!

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Miracle of Forgiveness...I purchased a copy today.

I want to assure that I have a hard copy in my library documenting the abusive and damaging doctrines taught by Mormon prophets. Many of these foul principles are still being taught to LDS children, including to my own grandkids.

Please sign the PETITION. Help us Stop Child Abuse in the Church of Jesus Christ and all other religious institutions.

P.S. The irony of the cover picture

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Miracle of Forgiveness - "Official Product"
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A (late) Christmas miracle, witnessing the birth of our lord and saviour Nando Lorris (please forgive me, this was poorly made on snapchat at 1:30am)
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Jesus miracles are supposed to be how we know that he had "power" as the Christ to forgive sins and set him apart as the Messiah. Thing is... They are not unique at all. Healing? A power prophets had, resurrecting a little girl? If I'm not mistaken Daniel also does it. Son of man? Title taken.

Like, Jesus powers are not unique at all. A cornerstore dogma of Christianity is that when Jesus died he opened the gates of heaven. But in the Old Testament it is declared that one propher was...raptured (so to speak) into heaven in a blinding lightning storm. Jesus is not the original holder of the title son of man. In an almost verbatim manner, a prophet (I believe Daniel) is called to a house with a little girl that is dead. The prophet tells the family she is merely sleeping and resurrects her.

The entire Gospel and New Testament is just a copyrights infringement. It's not an original story.

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TIL when Mary Queen of Scots was executed, her executioners knelt before her to ask her forgiveness. She granted it saying β€œI forgive you with all my heart, for now, I hope, you shall make an end of all my troubles.” Unfortunately the headsman missed his first stroke, hitting the back of her head. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar…
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Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong
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4:30 of Posthumous Forgiveness (kickdrum, kev’s falsetto β€œEverything that i haaaave”) will go down as one of the best parts of any tame song

Right up there with Eventually when it all crescendos at 3:30, and the guitar solo in Let it Happen. That part gets me every time.

Say what you want about Lost in Yesterday but Posthumous Forgiveness just has to be one of the best songs on the new album. If not it means the album is a masterpiece.

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Bow down at his temple and beg for forgiveness on the last day of the decade , you pores
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Posthumous Forgiveness is gonna be regarded as one of the best songs of the album.

It's so heartfelt and personal. The drum patterns in the second half are impossible to follow but they sound so good. Kevin really poured his heart out into this song... The first half talks about how badly his dad messed him up, and the second about how badly he misses him. This song hit me hard.

"Fallin' out with a lover

You didn't know that I suffered

What a thing to discover

There was time to recover

One-on-one with each other

Just a boy and a father

What I'd give for another"

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Just 206 of 41,000 student applicants had loans discharged under the government’s loan forgiveness program marketwatch.com/story/jus…
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The greatest example of humanity, love, and Christ-like forgiveness we will ever see. #BrandtJean
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Hi, we're Ally Beardsley and Grant O'Brien - CollegeHumor cast members and the stars/creators of Total Forgiveness, a new show about student loan debt. Ask us anything!

Hello reddit, we're Ally Beardsley and Grant O'Brien, and we're two cast members / writers for CollegeHumor and our new streaming service, Dropout.tv. We made a show together about drowning in student loan debt (Grant had about $90k in student loan debt, Ally had about $60k) and convincing our bosses to help us pay off a big chunk of that by giving each other ridiculous challenges and filming the whole thing. The first episode is up for free on the CollegeHumor Youtube channel (check it out here). It takes a lot of turns, and yes, was completely real and unscripted (and an emotional / physical nightmare!). Kinda continuing the CollegeHumor tradition of pranks, except with a lot more dark painful effects of late stage capitalism and being consumed by debt. New episodes are coming out every week on Wednesdays for the next couple months (you can get a free trial for Dropout here).

So if you've got questions about comedy, being broke, or testing the limits of friendship through elaborate filmed stunts that your financial future depends upon, go nuts. We'll be answering questions starting at 4 PM EST/1 PM PST but feel free to start piling them up!

Proof: https://i.redd.it/djsvkhhc52i21.jpg

2:47pst- We've got to go, guys. This was fun! Thanks for all the questions! Sorry we couldn't get to all of them. Check out the show on dropout.tv!

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What a moment. This is indicative of the global power shift. Sun Yang mocks bitter Anglo colonialist with "You're a loser. I'm a winner". He can beat him, then mock him in the white guy's own language! This is what is needed - a NO mercy, NO forgiveness approach. youtube.com/watch?v=J39iO…
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Sahih al-Bukhari 6306 - Dua for entering Paradise, it is also the most superior way of asking for forgiveness from Allah.
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Mother has graciously agreed to forgive and forget all that I have put her through in the past and, in a kind gesture of forgiveness and reconciliation, has offered to allow me to start anew with her. The family applauds her generous compassion to this errant wretch.

What a kind woman. The whole world agrees! She has so kindly offered to forgive her evil and churlish spawn in a beautifully maternal gesture of benevolent compassion.

Everybody knows what a wonderful person she is and the agony that has been inflicted upon her by her cruel and sociopathic offspring. Such an outpouring of heartfelt support for this poor, long-suffering, patient saint.

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[JennaLaineESPN]Former Bucs RB Michael Pittman is asking for prayers right now. With his blessing, I am posting that a family member of his contracted the coronavirus, has been in the hospital since last Thursday and is now in a coma and in critical condition. He said they need a miracle twitter.com/JennaLaineESP…
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β€œDear future husband” letter from when I couldn’t go on a mission cause I β€œmessed up” with a guy. Wish I could go back and tell myself I had nothing to be ashamed of - that I didn’t need anyone’s forgiveness. And that the guy I was writing to would leave with me and that we would be so much happier.
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Great-great-grandson of Wounded Knee Massacre Commander Becomes A Buddhist And Asks The Lakota For Forgiveness. reuters.com/article/us-us…
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I can’t handle being told constantly I need to forgive the person/people in my life that have abused me. I’m so sick of hearing this forgiveness bs.
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Psychologists advocate for more study of altruism, forgiveness, and gratitude to counter obsession with the so-called Dark Triad of traits: psychopathy, Machiavellianism, and narcissism. digest.bps.org.uk/2019/03…
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[Jim Irsay] In regards to Myles Garrett, he has offered a sincere apology and my feelings are everybody makes mistakes in life. The NFL is a family, and as a family we support each other when we make mistakes. Let’s go forward with spirit of accountability and forgiveness. twitter.com/JimIrsay/stat…
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The Three Jokers #1-3 (review) - β€œContrition, compassion and forgiveness are cousins to compromise, something the driven crimefighter seemed, until now, incapable of... In Justice League #49, Batman possessed the powers of a God. Here, the character instead acts with humanity.” worldcomicbookreview.com/…
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Rabbi Sacks on the Holocaust: Forgiveness and the Holocaust -- Do you think it’s ever possible to forgive the perpetrators of the Holocaust? rabbisacks.org/holocaust/…
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I'm the god of time , on your knees and beg for forgiveness
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The theme of forgiveness in Mozart's operas

I've spent a lot of time recently listening to Mozart's greatest opera's and am tremendously enjoying them. One thing I noticed is that forgiveness seems to be an extremely important and frequently recurring theme, especially near the end of operas. It seems to come back in almost all of the famous ones. E.g.:

  • Pasha Selim's mercy at the end of Die EntfΓΌhrung
  • The Contessa's forgiveness at the end of Le Nozze Di Figaro
  • Poseidon's deus ex machina at the end of Idomeneo
  • Sarastro's wisdom and forgiveness as opposed to the vengeful Queen of the Night ("In diesen heil'gen Mauern [...] kann kein VerrΓ€ter lauern, weil Man dem Feind vergibt")
  • Ferrando and Guglielmo forgive their fiancΓ©es for cheating because CosΓ­ fan tutte
  • La Clemenza di Tito, obviously
  • Don Giovanni seems to be the exception but maybe I am missing something.

So, what gives? Why was this theme so important to Mozart? Was this very common in the time? Does it have to do with his freemasonry? Or was he trying to send a message to the emperor, because of events from his personal life? I'm sure this has been analyzed before but I wasn't really able to find anything myself so if anyone knows some good reading on this that is also much appreciated. Thanks in advance!

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What happens if youre a christian and you slip up and fall into temptation of sin (porn for example) and then you die shortly after, before you repented and asked for forgiveness of the sin? Would you still go to heaven?
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β€œI’ve asked god for a sign of forgiveness. A specific one; a white tulip.” The lines need finessed a bit, but the spouse was rushing me out the door
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I get goosebumps every time the second half of Posthumous Forgiveness begins.

It makes me so emotional man.

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TIL Mexican president JosΓ© LΓ³pez Portillo made a speech asking for forgiveness over his mistakes as President and the economic crisis. He famously broke in tears during his speech after asking for the forgiveness of Mexico's poor en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos…
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Christians always point out that Jesus taught tolerance, humility, charity, and forgiveness. Basically the exact opposite of God in action. God sounds more like the Devil than the Devil does.

Taking an objective look at the bible, we can clearly see that God is short-tempered, extremely jealous, insecure, needy, and vengeful. And if you look at the current state of the world, then if we assumed that there was a God controlling it all, we could only conclude that he mostly helps those who need it least. He is indifferent, or maybe even actively giving the shaft to those who truly need a helping hand.

So maybe Jesus grew up with an asshole father, and learned from that experience exactly how not to be.

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I asked Mother Nature for forgiveness on behalf of those who abuse her the other day (She’s not the vengeful being some people depict her to be)

When I asked Mother Nature for forgiveness on behalf of those who abuse her, she responded back in a language that can only be understood by the heart. My understanding is that natural disasters don’t occur because Mother Nature is lashing out at us or anything the way many people mistakenly believe; she does not operate on the emotional system of anger-vengeance/love-reward that humans do. There was without a shadow of a doubt pain, but there was not a thirst for vengeance. Some people may claim that I’m only creating this pain in my head and I’m also not communicating with anyone, but I’m quite convinced of the fact it’s truly her pain the one I’m feeling and we are indeed communicating. I only want to say that Mother Nature’s love towards her children is unconditional and forgiving and the depiction of her as being vengeful is absolutely not accurate. Much love and light to all my brothers and sisters

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"That a Maiden Bore a child, the Lord of all, the Angelic Host. Was This Not the Perfect Miracle?"
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