Hannibal Lecter convinces some of his good buddies to come live with this delightful little family on its cozy ancestral farm, and they accept.
Hannibal, Jigsaw, Human Jason, and Mike Myers all join Leatherface & co of the Sawyer family in good ol' rural Texas.
After having a year or two to settle in, the new family finds its first victim! They successfully capture the character and lock them up in the Sawyer Family basement. At this point the character is left alone for 1 minute before Leatherface returns to cut of their face. The character has nothing on them, but can arm themselves with anything available.
Who is the weakest character who could successfully escape the family at this point? The character has to:
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get through Jigsaw's machinations, traps, schemes, which at this point would be all over the house.
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defeat Michael, Jason, and Leatherface. Running isn't an option. These three need to be put down before escape is possible.
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escape from the rest of the normal Sawyer family. (Matthew McConaughey/all the sequels/prequels/spinoffs included)
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avoid the revenge of Hannibal Lecter after escaping the mansion. He will pursue the character with 100% of his will, but only after the character thinks they've escaped.
Hannibal has all feats from movies, shows, and books. Jason only has human feats. No zombie or cyborg. Jigsaw doesn't have cancer, though I guess that doesn't really matter.
I know they'll be some explanation for this but in Jigsaw you find John happened to see his neighbor killing her child through a window and blamed it on her husband which led to him hanging himself and her later being placed in a trap.
Based on the stories given in Jigsaw it is assumed many of these events happened much earlier (I think theres a line about John used to be Anna, the mothers neighbor but implied it was before).
In Saw III a woman is chained naked and freezes to death by being sprayed with water all because she witnessed a hit and run and decided not to come forward to authority. She witnessed something and decided not to come forward and was put in a horrific trap
John witnesses a baby being killed lets an innocent husband be blamed for it, lets the husband kill himself and then later puts her in a trap. John does not come forward and report a mother killed her baby a horrific act...yet when another person witnesses a horrific act and not say anything that's deserving of a trap?
Just saying, the odds are in the right place for my dream to come true.
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"I'm proud to be the guy again who takes the notes off the commentary tracks and post them to the websites whether it was on HOJ or here now........ Well somebody has too."
"Anyways here is a spoiler fill recap from Producers Mark Burg, Oren Koules, and Peter Block from the Jigsaw DVD."
-They filmed this commentary track a week before the initial Oct. 27th release... So they don't have feedback yet or know how the film did.
-SawFreaks.com does get a Shoutout from Oren Koules!!!!!!!!!!
-Josiah Black (Edger Munsen) got the role but did not live in Toronto and he and his wife were married for 2 months and decided to drive to Canada... And he had 2 cars that he owned break down in him on the way there. His original car then a car they bought for 500 bucks that also broke down on they way there.... Sucks to be him.
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They said they wanted the character of Halloran to have more personality than any of the past police procedural characters. Callum Keith Rennie was allowed to ad-lib lines such as... hungry.. or I've got a brother he's an asshole... or I've got an ex wife that punishes me every day. Even Laura Vandervort ad-lib the line good luck Lollypop to Ryan
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they didn't want any of the grimy, green color filter looking from the previous films because they wanted to do something new and refreshing for the franchise.
-A reason for the bucket heads, which are pig feed buckets, is because we don't see the faces, but we see the personalities of the characters first before we see who they are.... Clever.
-The barn area was all filmed in on giant set. Some of the crew had Hay Fever... Which sucks IMO...
-During the bucket head public reveal, there were actually people in the Toronto area that called 911 and thought someone actually committed suicide. So that was scary and they made the police report in the parts that week....... Funny
-they joked about all the missing Puzzle pieces will be revealed in Saw 42.... But James and Leigh came in one day to saw the new puppet and they loved the new Billy Puppet... That was cool.
-Carly knew which needle and was given enough time to make her choice but she didn't take it and that's why she died.
-Cool Easter Egg for previous Saw movies and this one...... All of the tapes that are writing in Black ink were by Jigsaw... All of the ones done in Red were not.... Even Edgers Play me tape was in Red... So
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Jigsaw manages to get the character into his house of horrors and the character will wake up according to Jigsaw's plan. However, from then on the character can do whatever they can to escape the deathtraps.
Jigsaw gets very basic info on each character to help him design his traps. I.E Daredevil is blind, but has increased hearing; John Wick is an assassin who recently lost his wife; etc
Jigsaw knows their alter egos
Be creative with how Jigsaw tries to torture them
Characters:
[Frank Castle (Punisher) (616)](http://marvel.com/universe/Punisher_(Frank_Castle)
[Jason Todd (as Robin) (New 52?)](http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Jason_Todd_(New_Earth)
Matt Murdock (Daredevil) (MCU)
Can Jigsaw kill any of these characters inside his house of horrors?
Which of these characters gives Jigsaw the hardest time?
Can your favorite street tier character escape Jigsaw if Jigsaw has basic knowledge of your character?
Guys I understand throughout the movie he's hit his head in beginning and was acting off emotions instead of using logic but still that doesn't explain when he's kills the judge even known the judge should have been out of way, nearly letting the judge die which he's could have save earlier. Also I know some of the traps were unbeatable also especially with Timothy, but even then he's fucked up by the end with killing Jigsaw since he's got his wife killed by not thinking and not seeing this may be a setup with the device on her neck and John smiling. He's literally fucked himself over by the end simply by not thinking and making his situation worse than it already was. There were so many times where he's screwed up. Maybe it was a good Strahm put him out of his misery.
Poor slow ass Jeff......
Im obsessed with the whole Saw series. There isn't one movie that i don't love, i also loved 3D(even tho ppl didn't like that one). I love them because of the intricate deep storyline and the depth of the characters and philosophy of it all. I have refrained from watching jigsaw fearing it'll put a bad taste in my mouth, being it's all new characters and ect. Should i watch it or should i leave it be ?
UPDATE: I took your guys advice and watched it! it wasn't bad at all honestly, i enjoyed the twists of it a lot. obviously doesn't compare to the past ones but i enjoyed it:) (spoiler next-) i did kind of feel Logan being one of Johns first apprentices was kind of weird with continuity i guess it just felt weird but still was a great twist with the game we watched the entire movie being a game that happened in the past. im glad you guys said i should watch it!
Which SAW character do you feel the most sorry for/ who do you think deserved better in some way?
Obviously being a really brutal franchise there's a lot of good candidates there and a lot of people who really drew the short end of the stick. From characters that don't deserve to be there at all like Joyce Dagen in SAW 7 to characters that just deserved a bit more time to CUT HIS OWN EYEBALL OUT like the guy in the left of the thumbnail there. A lot of SAW characters could be described as "extremely unlucky."
And of course relevant to that I made a video for my YouTube channel talking about this very topic: This is a video all about those poor suckers that deserved better in some way throughout the series and with that it's safe to say quite a few SAW characters get my sympathies lol..
"15 SAW characters that deserved better." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSFv9zO-DbI&lc=Ugxy-4yL3xkuyM0CJw54AaABAg
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I like the Saw franchise for the most part. I know they're flawed and that the point is for the audience to see the characters fail and to see the traps work.
But I'm thinking about the tests/game/traps that are shown in:
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Saw 4 (The one with Riggs, the officer who wants to save everyone but fails to learn that it's best to let go)
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Saw 6 (The one with the scumbag insurance guy who has to learn to value life. Even though he passes some of (or all of???) his tests, he still gets got, so maybe not like this one too much where the person is just going to be killed no matter what)
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Saw 3 (The one with slow ass dumbass, Jeff. I like to imagine what would happen if he saved everyone and was more careful and less emotional)
I just wonder how a movie could play out with just one character who listens to what Jigsaw says. Every single time Jigsaw tells someone to do something, they always do the opposite or ignore it. Even if it's a group of characters, I want to see just one actually listen to the tapes/clues before the traps happen, not come to the realization afterwards. Even if it's the first half of the movie or sets up the rest of movie.
It's so annoying that all the people who survive either haphazardly make it out or they're given an unfairly easy trap to get out of with no real injuries except for the woman who cut her arm off and Gordon.
Would that even make for a good movie? I have no idea
TL;DR evil-aligned PC and his buddies trash nearly every aspect of my one-shot, say plot hooks don't matter, damage my confidence as a new DM.
I just came from the worst Session One of my life. I was a prospective DM (info about that here), I'm brand new at it, I made a server, and this guy "Trevor" pulled in some friends of his to be players so I didn't even have to recruit. I was so excited to run this one-shot. I'd worked on it for months, I thought it had a good story, interesting plot hooks, and the like. Basically, you start on a simple mission and end up being caught in this darker plot. I thought it was really neat and they were going to enjoy the story.
Trevor started by setting fire to a pile of dead NPCs, then eating them because (as I found out right at the start of the session instead of beforehand) he was an evil-aligned cannibal edgelord. No plot hook about the corpse-pile taken. The group came across some sort of draconic encampment in the caves that seemed out of place, plus a skull with a hole between the eyes. No plot hook taken. The group found the object of their mission and put it to a vote whether they should just abandon the entire story. I finally broke a bit and said they had plot hooks but were deliberately ignoring them.
They reluctantly agreed to humor me and finish this one-shot. They fought my two (married) enemies, then Trevor sliced them both in half and said he wanted the sorcerer to use Mending to make one half from each body into one new whole body. I told him Mending didn't work that way. He said fine, he uses bits of conveniently-found metal to stitch the bodies together. Then he said he ordered a myconid sovereign to make the new body into a single spore servant. I had to make the sovereign stupid and I told Trevor the sovereign didn't know what Trevor's character was asking because Trevor refused to accept that this wouldn't work.
If you're wondering how Trevor's friends were reacting to this, they all seemed pretty on-board with his antics from what I could tell. The only time one of them challenged any of it was after I played the "I'm the DM, my ruling goes" card about the Mending spell, after which one of them told Trevor not to mess with the DM.
The icing on the cake was when Trevor told me after the session finished, "I saw the plot hooks, but there's got to be a reason to want to do the plot hooks" as though that counted
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I've watched all the saw movies up to 3D, and that's the only one I actually didn't enjoy. Based on the fact that I did find even the usually less liked saw movies to be good (Saw 4 and 5), would you recommend Jigsaw? I'm asking because after the disappointment that was 3D I'd like to find out if Jigsaw is just going to be a repeat of that :/ I can forgive a lot but if the characters are complete trash I'll probably skip this one.
If you could erase one character from the timeline, who would it be?
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Hoffman - Wayyy too much of him. No sophistication. Just a maniac brute. Maybe give him only 1 film and then kill him off.
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Jeff - Slow motherfucker Jeff. Whiny ass Jeff. Go back home Jeff.
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either Bobby Dagen or Logan. - Both annoying main characters.
wait - Does Darren Lynn Bousman count as a character? No, I guess not. Okay, that's my list.
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