I think a lot of what people like Elizondo, Nolan, and Loeb have been alluding to recently describes the control system Jacques Vallée writes about in The Invisible College. This is speculative analysis and I of course may be way off base, but this is my interpretation of what's being put out there by lately by big names involved in UFO research.
These are a few excerpts from the book explaining the control system.
>I propose the hypothesis that there is a control system for human consciousness. I have not determined whether it is natural or spontaneous; whether it is explainable in terms of genetics, of social psychology, or of ordinary phenomena—or if it is artificial in nature, and under the power of some superhuman will. It may be entirely determined by laws that we have not yet discovered.
>A civilization such as ours, which is entirely oriented toward what it regards as technical progress, cannot afford long to ignore the apparition in the sky of objects that defy the laws of its physics and the performance of its rocket planes. Within a few years the advanced countries will place on this problem, openly or in secret, their best physicists, their best intelligence specialists, their best computer scientists. But they may be powerless to utilize their expertise, because the phenomenon fits none of these categories. If this is so, then UFOs can never be analyzed or conceived, because they are the means through which man’s concepts are being rearranged. All we can do is to trace their effects on humans.
>We have seen that the control system operates like a thermostat. It progresses by oscillations, drawing from the antagonism of fire and ice, warm and cold, evil and good, all myths for the feeble minds of men, equally bound by higher laws. For hot and cold are only relative to a mean, two appearances of a single fact, the motion of molecules. Few people have grasped both the physics and the beauty of it.
>What is the variable being controlled in this control system? Thermostats control temperature; gyroscopes control the direction in which a rocket flies. What could a paranormal phenomenon control? I suggest that it is human belief that is being controlled and conditioned.
In this tweet reply, Stanford geneticist Garry Nolan suggests human civilization has been influenced in the past by the phenomenon, simply by showing themselves in certain ways (i.e. UFOs).
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Here’s a page of the study, some figures and pictures of the materials.
Here’s the abstract.
>The problem of precise characterization, analysis, and eventual identification of unknown materials arises in many fields and takes many forms, depending on the nature of the substances under study. In the first part of this paper we review common, modern mass spectrometry techniques applied to such studies. We also give an overview of improvements made to these technologies in recent years by Silicon Valley companies and other teams focused on precise biomedical research dependent upon sensitive techniques, yet applicable to a wide range of non-biological materials. In the second and third parts of the paper we review practical experiences applying these techniques to the simplest case of the characterization of solid materials (as opposed to liquids or gases) and comparing our results with previously undertaken isotopic analysis. In particular, we describe our correlations of that analysis with the patterns described by witnesses in a well-documented, still-unexplained incident, initially thought to be of aerospace origin, which gave rise to the deposition of unknown material, and by the investigators who handled it in the field and the laboratory. The lessons from this specific investigation are applicable to a wider range of issues in reverse engineering of complex, esoteric materials, and aerospace forensics.
The phrase “esoteric materials” is interesting.
Edit: I guess this wasn’t the Trinity materials, but from the Council Bluffs case. I’ve never heard of that before.
I thought Vallee and Nolan were examining the material described in the book, but I guess not.
I’d update the title if I could.
In chapter 10 of Jacques Vallée’s Dimensions, we see his theory that connects UFOs to a psychological and spiritual control system. A simple example of a control system is the thermostat that regulates the temperature in our house. Vallée is saying that this concept of control extends to greater reality, and may pertain to the UFO phenomenon itself. The phenomenon impacts folks that come in close contact with the UFOs, or are abducted, and these encounters come out in news accounts and impact the collective consciousness and human culture. It was Carl Jung (1875-1961) that described the collective unconscious, and how synchronicities come out of the unknown and show us things we would not have paid any attention to. It is like our awareness is necessarily incomplete, and we sometimes need help from a greater part of ourselves that is more subconscious. It is like we are fearful of our deepest emotions, and are unable to acknowledge them officially, so we are occasionally impacted by the control system and post-encounter we rely on myths to fill in the gaps in our official understanding.
Vallée’s suspects that the control system is wrapped up in consciousness and the space-time fabric. If consciousness is not a simple derivative of biology, and is not a mechanistic byproduct of cause-and-effect, then it is this way because consciousness is fundamental and directly attached to the space-time fabric. Then we would expect that Jung’s collective unconscious will have elements that may be shared across broad reality, where a common apparition can be shared among several observers. This defines the collective apparition that is not merely something subjective that typifies dreams and the psychedelic experience. It is the collective apparition, as an extension of the control system, that makes the UFO phenomenon different; otherwise, there is a close resemblance to the features of a psychological control system that is more subjective, or dream-like, more mythical if not absurd and strangely meaningful.
The belief that consciousness is such a fundamental is on a firm philosophical foundation with the thesis of panpsychism, and this particular thesis is being taken serious by today’s scientists and philosophers alike. Hence, it is quite possible that Vallée’s control system may from time to time emerge and erupt in our shared reality. However, if there was such an over-riding control system, we would expect to see examples of its reach in our history and evolu
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Although my interest in Ufology is rooted way back to my childhood I am relatively new here so I hope my post doesn't disturb anyone at all.
I can imagine this question having been asked multiple times but the reason I am asking it again is because these days the whole "Control System hypothesis" has been constantly been pointed at.
Not wanting to create another speculative thread I'll just say, on my part, this theory is, if anything, quite interesting an approach.
Given I have already bought Dimensions, are there other books by Vallée (or others, it would be fine by me) expanding upon the Control System thesis? And, in a more general sense, are there any books by Vallée generally considered his most important/meaningful/original? I plan on getting every and each book he has written but for the moment my interest goes in particular to that topic.
"Passport to Magonia" is generally held in high opinion, but given it's quite an old text and I already have Dimensions, I would still prefer something more recent - unless that book isn't necessary in order to come to grips with the topic.
Also, it has been pointed his latest book, Trinity, albeit having given rise to some controversy, is held by some to have returned to the Control System Hypothesis in a crearer way.
I would be very glad to read your suggestions
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tl;dr — Some interesting quotes from the study that support my previous discussions (Discussion 1 & Discussion 2):
- “Finally, I again find it necessary to use physics to bring the whole phenomena of out-of-body states into the language of physical science to remove the stigma of its occult connotations, and put it in a frame of reference suited to objective assessment.” —The study goes on in-depth to explain the process of Quantum Tunneling/Entanglement/Decoherence, extra-dimensions, higher consciousness, coherent emotions, a singular “Absolute Infinity” of Intelligence, and M-Theory, to explain the “Gateway Process“ phenomena in addition to also coming to the conclusion that all religious/spiritual/supernatural/UFO phenomena are connected
- “Fundamentally, the Gateway Experience is a training system designed to bring enhanced strength, focus, and coherence to the amplitude and frequency of brainwave output between the left and right hemispheres so as to alter consciousness, moving it outside the physical sphere so as to ultimately escape even the restrictions of time and space. The participant then gains access to the various levels of intuitive knowledge which the universe offers.”
- The “holographic model marries brain research to theoretical physics; it accounts for normal perception and simultaneously take the paranormal and transcendental experiences out of the supernatural by explaining them as a part of nature.”
- The study describes it as something which “overlays everything as do many of the intervening gradients or dimensions through which the energies of the universe pass on their way to and from their home in the state of infinity (the Absolute)…To enter these intervening dimensions, human consciousness must focus with intense coherence that the frequency of the energy patterns which comprises that consciousness (i.e., the brainwave output) can accelerate to the point where the resulting frequency pattern, if displayed on an oscilloscope, would look virtually like a solid line.”
- Interestingly, it specifically says about a certain technique “…not only enhances bodily energy flow and enco
I am particularly interested in how the phenomenon relates to consciousness and I am hearing more and more about Vallees work in this area. However there is such a vast array of books he has published, I am wondering where the best starting point is?
In Chapter 2 of Dimensions, Vallée has a section called, Look But Do Not Touch, where he describes people’s reactions from seeing airships for the very first time in 1896. Based on my reading of Vallée’s account, however, what was being described were hydrogen-filled airships that were being experimented on at the time. Folks did not know what they were seeing, so the speculation was running wild. Trouble is, I can’t see where Vallée actually tells the reader what these things are, it's like he is presenting these as another example of the phenomenon he is writing about in Dimensions. I was not sure if Vallée actually knew what these airships were, or if he was trying to make a bigger point about the psychological impact floating objects have on people when they see these airships for the very first time, and folks just can’t figure out what they are.
Did any of you find this that have read Dimensions, and what was Vallée trying to communicate here?
If you go to the newspaper archive you will actually find these reports of unknown airships in the sky, and it left the communities very confused. That much is true. But in the 11-27-1896 San Francisco Call, we see where an attorney W.H.H. Hart describes the inventor of a 125-foot airship (Hart’s client), and Hart is found saying that proof of the existence of such airships was soon to be revealed. Hart noted that the inventor of the airship complained that the current design uses too much power (electric battery power) when heading into the wind.
Wikipedia tells of the history of these airships, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airship
It is difficult to say which of the historical airships was closest to the one that visited the San Francisco Bay Area in 1896, but it is clear that this was technology that had already been developed.
The atomic age officially began in August 1945 when the world’s first atomic bomb was detonated in New Mexico at a place called Trinity. But something else happened near that site just a few weeks later. A local rancher and his children said an egg-shaped craft of unknown origin crashed into the desert. The ranchers who lived near the bomb site saw and felt the blast.
I’m currently reading The Invisible College (1975) by Jacques Vallée for the first time. I’m not far in yet but I’ve already been left with much to consider that feels especially relevant in our current culture.
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”I think the current belief among most flying saucer enthusiasts that the unidentified flying objects are simply craft used by visitors from another planet is a naïve concept. The explanation is too simpleminded to account for the diversity of the reported behavior of the occupants and their perceived interaction with human beings. Could this concept serve precisely a diversionary role in masking the real, infinitely more complex nature of the technology that gives rise to the sightings?”
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”UFOs have been seen throughout history and have consistently received (or provided) their own explanation within the framework of each culture. In antiquity their occupants were regarded as gods; in medieval times, as magicians; in the nineteenth century, as scientific geniuses. And finally, in our own time, as interplanetary travelers. (Statements made by occupants of the 1897 airship included such declarations as “We are from Kansas” and even “We are from ANYWHERE ... but we’ll be in Cuba tomorrow.”)
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”The phenomenon could be a manifestation of a much more complex technology. If time and space are not as simple in structure as physicists have assumed until now, then the question, “where do they come from?” may be meaningless: they could come from a place in time. If consciousness can be manifested outside the body, then the range of hypotheses can be even wider.”
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”Contact between human percipients and the UFO phenomenon occurs under conditions controlled by the latter. Its characteristic feature is a constant factor of absurdity that leads to a rejection of the story by the upper layers of the target society and an absorption at a deep unconscious level of the symbols conveyed by the encounter. The mechanism of this “resonance” between the UFO symbol and the archetypes of the human unconscious has been abundantly demonstrated by Carl Jung, whose book, Flying Saucers, makes many references to the age-old significance of the “signs in the sky.”
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”Everything works, in my opinion, as if the phenomenon were the product of a technology that followed well-defined rules and patterns, though fantastic by ordinary human standards.”
The new book “The Best Kept Secret” by Jacques F. Vallée has been available for pre order for months on Amazon and I’ve been eagerly awaiting my copy to drop.
Went on Amazon today to try and figure out which day it was this weekend it would drop, only to find the listing has disappeared on both Amazon UK and Amazon CA (linked from Good Reads).
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56245988-the-best-kept-secret
Anyone think he hit to close to the truth, so it’s been banned before release? Or is this just a coincidence?
Control system is one of the most intriguing concept of Jacques Vallée.
I want to point out to a post made by /u/voodooChickenCoding that I found interesting. : https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/hgk34e/thoughts_on_vall%C3%A9es_control_system/
I will also share this interview with Jacques Vallée from Fate Magazine for anyone curious about it : http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc608.htm
Reading about it, it leads me to think that there is something in the sky which is trying to expand our intellectual understanding of the world. Because the only way that UFO is communicating with us is by symbolic and emotional influence on our consciousness directly (appearing to one or many person) or indirectly (rumours, photo, video, etc.). It seems that the outcomes of UFO phenomenon in a world devoid of angels, demons, fairies, gods, is to reunite the consciousness of humanity with something supernatural, that is beyond our current understanding. Slowly, unconsciously or consciously, people seeing a UFO or exposed to it are slowly integrating these kinds of apparition into their belief systems. Maybe, it prepare our mind to a new mythology... I've came across many hardcore atheist beginning to believe in some paranormal things by reading about UFO!
And at the same time, while UFO are real, there is a force in the Secret Service that are trying to discredit and obfuscate the phenomenon to achieve their own goal. Do they try to hide a new technology platform? Do they study how the public is reacting to propaganda? Or is there a dark force that is trying to discredit this phenomenon because they do not wand to lose power since this phenomenon is a part of an intellectual revolution! I don't know about it...
At last, I encourage everyone to read Revelation by Jacques Vallée to know how the Secret Service has used UFO as a tool for deception and manipulation.
Edit: The UFO phenomenon is not one sided. This concept included many things and aspects: abduction, flying saucer, mysterious natural phenomenon, traumatic or mystic event, etc.. I do not pretend that all UFO phenomenon has the same impact on our consciousness. Like, the brazil wave was violent (burns, death, etc.) and terrifying. The fact that UFO seems to mirror the mindset of the people they encounter : rational and analytics while near the army; like a hunter in the case of Brazil ( many hunter has seen them); and religiously by religious people ( Fatima) led me to believe that the phenomen
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Just listened to Lex interview Avi Loeb, and I feel like Lex could be the best possible person to interview Vallée. I’ve listened to Vallée on a couple podcasts already, but I feel like Lex could ask some really interesting questions. How can we make this happen? Can I donate money or something? Lol
He so far has been talking about the materials and has been saying a LOT of interesting things.
