Islamic views on Jesus' death Puns

Hey. I have left Islam a month ago, and my strongest argument against Islam is that Muhammad brought nothing new to the world, he just copy pasted the past. But I have a question. If what all Muhammad did was to retell the Jewish and Christian stories, why does the Quran deny that Jesus was crucified and claim that he was actually raised to heaven? Where does this new version of the story come from? If Muhammad made it up, what would be his motivations for rewriting the story?

Hello everyone, I am new to this sub. I would like to express Islam's perspective on death. I don't wish to preach at all. If you have any questions about death in general, feel free to ask I will try to answer from an Islamic perspective. I just request members not to be abusive towards my faith and keep the discussion related to death. I will share 8 verses on the topic of death.

The Root word for Death (م و ت)  mentioned 165 times in Quran

Background: As Muslims (practitioners of Islam) , we believe that the holy book Quran is the literal word of Allah/God. In contrast to the bible, which is composed of writings by men claimed to be Inspired from God, the Quran is the God's own words directly revealed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

1. Every Soul Shall Taste Death
" Every soul will taste death. You will be paid your wages in full on the Day of Rising. Anyone who is distanced from the Fire and admitted to the Garden, has triumphed. The life of this world is only the enjoyment of delusion.” (Quran, 3:185)

Here, Allah reminds us that we all, collectively as a human race, have a shared destiny with death – none can escape it. Death is the reality from which none can escape. It draws nearer every day; every hour; every minute. According to the CIA’s The World Factbook 2007, almost two people die each second. That’s a staggering 57.9 million people each year! Every single being will reach this inescapable fate, regardless of their age, health, background, social status or piety. Where are the past kings, the billionaires and the powerful? Where are the once beautiful, the famous, and the intellectual elite?

Death is not a disaster, but simply a passing from this world onto the next. It should make us reflect and ponder about the purpose of life, and what will become of us after death.

2. “Death, from which you are fleeing, will certainly catch up with you. Then you will be returned to the Knower of the Unseen and the Visible and He will inform you about what you did.”

3. "Wherever you may be, death will overtake you, (even) if you were in imposingly constructed towers." (Quran, 4:78)

Pulitzer Prize-winning anthropologist and social theorist Ernest Becker conceived of capitalism as a contemporary search for the Holy Grail: immortality itself. According to Becker, it is easy for the human animal to feel small and servile in the face of death. Peo

note: I'm not making this as an annoying "gotcha" thing, I just realized the Apostle Paul was probably a fascinating character in the islamic image of early Christianity and want to hear any insights you have.

Jesus was a strict monotheist, his companions (mirroring the sahaba) were largely receptive to this and accepted him as messiah as well as accepting tawhid. How did Saul of Tarsus, who started off brutally persecuting followers of Jesus before being blinded by God and receiving a vision, being baptized, and becoming the principle evangelist for Christianity ("pauline christianity" as you might say) come to not only convert, but to convert in his manner?

Why did Paul eagerly adopt (manufacture even) the worship of Jesus and the precepts of orthodox Christianity when Jesus' disciples and apostles were still all living and able to testify to his ministry? Acts makes it clear Paul has no problem getting in public disputes with the apostles (St. Peter had very high-profile disagreements with him in the early church). Did the companions of Jesus choose to follow Paul after their prophet's ascension because Paul had some great magnetism? Paul's actions seem to be very genuine (he keeps writing epistles until he is martyred by the Romans after all) and it's interesting that his whole-cloth creation became markedly more popular than the actual teachings of Jesus.

Given all this he seems a fascinating figure in a way I haven't heard discussed much. One man, who never even met the Prophet Isa, managed, when all of the prophet's principle followers were still around, to go from actively killing his disciples to becoming the leader of the followers of Jesus and form a religion centered around Jesus yet extremely divorced from his deen, which becomes unfathomably more prominent than Jesus' Islam. Moreover, he appears to do so sincerely, spending the rest of his life preaching this creed and eventually being killed for it.

This scene from a Shia film about Jesus prompted it in part.

What kind of place does Saul of Tarsus have in the Islamic conception of the life of Jesus, his companions, Beni Israel, and the spread of the worship of Jesus?

The mainstream Islamic view holds that Jesus's apparent death on the cross was an illusion; instead of being killed and resurrected, he was directly assumed into heaven by God. As the Qu'ran states in Surah 4:157-158:

>And their saying: "We have killed the Messiah Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of God!" They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them as if they had. Those who dispute are in doubt of him, they have no knowledge except to follow conjecture; they did not kill him for a certainty.
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>For God raised him to Himself; and God is Noble, Wise.

Prophet Muhammad's uncle Ibn Abbas expounded on this claim, relating that Jesus selected one of his twelve followers to die in place of him on the cross. The young follower was given the appearance of Jesus and was crucified by the Jews, who thought he was Jesus. [1] This view of Jesus's resurrection, however, is not supported by the historical evidence.

If Jesus was secretly replaced by one of his apostles, then his apostles would have known about the replacement. Yet the best evidence suggests that the apostles were the ones preaching Jesus's death and resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:3-9 contains a portion of a creed documenting Jesus's death and resurrection and his appearances to his apostles.

>^(3) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
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>^(4) And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
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>^(5) And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
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>^(6) After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
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>^(7) After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
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>^(8) And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
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>^(9) For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

This creed demonstrates that the earliest Christians believed in Jesus's death and resurrection, as all the evidence suggests that it was formulated quite early on. 1 Corinthians is considered by scholars to be one of the earliest Christian texts, an authentic epistle of Paul written around 50-60AD, a fact that even atheist Mythicist scholars agree on.

Obvious bias here being that I'm Christian, but there are a number of times that Jesus all but says he's the son of God/God incarnate. I believe he also says it outright a number of times, but if I said that people would ask for verses and that sounds like work.

Do they simply lack these quotations in the Quran, or is there some other way of circumventing Liar/Lunatic/Lord? (Edit: /Legend)

Edit: Present information: They don't acknowledge the new testament (fairly obvious, I was just being dumb).

New question: What do they have regarding jesus?

I recently saw a video with David Wood and according to him the traditional Islamic view of Jesus is that he was born, then raised then he will come back and die. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTuZyU0jy4E&t=328s This is the video and he makes the statement around 2:03:00 and my interpretation according to the Quran verses they used in the video is that Jesus was born, raised to himself( to Allah not resurrected) died and will be raised (resurrected this time from the dead). Can someone clarify what the actual scholarly view is?

I know very little about Islam. I’ve heard that they are generally written about negatively in the Quran but again I’m not sure. I’ve also heard that Jews were discriminated against as kuffars (any non-muslim) so it wasn’t specifically related to the Jewish religious/ethnic identity.

You might use a different term than "salvation,' but I think you know what I mean. Whatever benefit to humanity that was provided by Jesus being tortured and killed, could yhwh just have provided it without Jesus being tortured and killed?

I'm interested in finding parallels to Jesus' death. I'm not looking for the so-called parallels of the dying and rising gods that do so cyclically, but rather a human hero that dies in a publicly shameful way. Whether the hero rises from the dead or not is secondary, but could be important. I'm wondering if there were other ancient heroes who died a one-time (not cyclical), shameful death and are, nevertheless, remembered as heroes.

Socrates drinks hemlock, but that would not have been considered shameful, would it?

Happened over Thanksgiving break. We were having a family dinner at a restaurant who had some old B&W movie of Jesus' crucifixion playing. My two kids (5 and 8), who are both unfamiliar with the Jesus story, had no idea what the fuck was happening. My son (5) was clearly disturbed, yet had a hard time looking away from the TV even after being told not to watch it by my wife multiple times.

The rest of my family at dinner (including young kids around the same age as mine) are hard-core Christians, so it was awkward trying to explain why we didn't want our children watching a man being tortured to death even if it was the supposed "son of god" resurrection story.

In an ideal world we wouldn't even be having this conversation with our 5 year old yet, except that it's somehow socially acceptable to show the death of a man (the "son of god") publicly... Yet somehow we're the weirdo atheists. Disgusting.

To me, getting impregnated without mutual consent is a form of rape. It's even the possible consequence of a physical action carried out by a rapist.

If God just impregnated this woman without any kind of consent, could we classify such an event as rape?

Edit: of course, this story didn't happen in the first place, but we could stay within the scope of theology.

So I used to work out to get big, because I've never had that, and I was wondering if working out under the specific intentions of building larger muscles is haram or not?

FYI I wear baggy clothes and I'm a guy, so I'm not gonna be showing off my body (might do with mates, but even then its not something I feel comfortable with).

I was focusing on Jesus and his words alone to understand his views on lust & masturbation and sexual sin.

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart" Matthew 5:27

So in no certain terms, is Jesus very much saying lust is a sin in thought? That it's not just our actions, but is he pretty much pointing to purity of intent? The inside of the cup having to be clean? To make ourselves like little children in our minds?

In the Interlinear Bible: "everyone looking upon a woman in order to lust after her already has committed adultery with her in the heart of him" - So pretty much once again reinforcing the idea of the intent? The "why" of one's heart? We are not talking about accidental glances. We are talking about intentionality, right?

So he would not approve of intentionally looking at pornography with lustful intent? So he wouldn't approve of masturbation? So being his disciple is not just about loving God & loving your neighbor. It requires purity of intent?

This is what I thought until I had a conversation with an elder who had a completely different take on Matthew 5:27 - He said the correct translation of the greek word instead of "lust" is "covet" - He also said Jesus is referring to married women here apparently because adultery can only happen when a married woman is involved. He said Jesus here is talking about looking at a married woman with the intent to covet her and not about looking at an attractive woman. Can you beloved souls kindly comment on this?

Also Do you think the Pre-islamic algerian history is neglected ?