Schoenberg Puns

As Schoenberg passed away in 1951, his works are as of today in the public domain in both Austria and the US. I know serialism is kind of an aesthetic dividing line, but I'm really looking forward to what a new generation of composers will do with this material.

https://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Schoenberg,_Arnold

No matter how hard I try I can't seem to remember Schoenbergs last name

In the song The Shoes of the Fisherman's Wife are some Jive Ass Slippers, at 5:05, there's pretty much a direct quote from Schoenberg's Pelleas und Melisande it starts about 1:29 in. The lead up to this in the Mingus track also has some of the same tension in the harmony that Schoenberg uses in the piece leading up to it. It makes sense that Mingus would have heard this piece, as it exemplifies the organized chaos that's one of both his and early Schoenberg's signatures. Schoenberg's Verklacht Nacht is also a good example of early Schoenberg's organized chaos, before he began working on 12 tone theory.

Edit: Upon listening again, the theme is actually played a lot throughout, the introduction to it is ~39 seconds in on the Mingus track

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Arnold Schonberg is the greatest composer of all time.

On this day, the saddest of all days, his death day, we should remember his great contribution to the classical canon, a contribution which has never, and likely will never, be surpassed.

Although I still hold that classical music has been undergoing a continuous and insidious decay since 1900, Schoenburg was the one shining light, carrying on and extending the beauty, majesty and complexity of the earlier masters. In doing so, he surpassed all of them.

Schernberg's use of dissonance and chromatic adjustment surpasses that of Palestrina, the hitherto best composer in regards to dissonance treatment.

His orchestration, too, was miraculous and demonstrates clear growth from the lineage of chopin, schumann and brahms.

His rhythm is reminiscent of Glass and Bellini, with towering levels of interest and variance.

Echoes of shernburg can be heard around us constantly, from the gestural accompaniment in Bruno Mars' music and the chromaticism in Beyonce to the succulent romanticism of LCD Soundsystem.

Although I do to have grant that Kurt Weill is the most innovative composer of the 20th century, I would argue that schoenberg is clearly superior in every conceivable way to all other classical composers.

There was a poorly-written article on newsweek.com that alluded to sexist comments by Schoenberg, but without details or context.

https://www.buzzsprout.com/266909/9753223

first post so hope this isn’t against the rules or anything! looking for a second edition of Introduction to Probability with Texas Hold’em Examples by Frederic Paik Schoenberg—I’m in Westwood so would definitely be willing to meet either on campus or somewhere convenient for you. Also am willing to pay :) please pm me

From what I can tell, Rachmaninoff is one of the most performed 20th-century composers, but, at least in contemporary composing circles (/academia), people seem to talk about him way less. I'm just wondering why this is.

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Because he refused to use any keys.

I was completely moved by the piece. I was a little bit familiar with some of the famous atonal works by Arnold Schoenberg but I didn't know he had such a sweet and lyrical style before going atonal. The constant tensions, the beauty of the phrases. Some parts almost reminded me of people like Tchaikovsky. What do you think about Verklärte Nacht? Do you know similar pieces by Schoenberg?

Serenade Op. 24 is my favorite classical work, and I like Lumpy Gravy by Frank Zappa which has some similar approaches. Anything else like this?

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Can anybody translate 8 Lieder, Opus-6 by Schoenberg to English?

If not the whole, only the Verlassen would suffice.

As much I could read, this is the rough text in German of the Verlassen-

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Here is the link to the work.

Any help will be highly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

How many complete phrases are within this song? Is it 2, 4, 10 or none of the above (if none of the above how many phrases are there? I’d like to discuss this. I’ve been contemplating with a friend on this.

Hey, I really like Schoenberg's music, one work I find fascinating is his unfinished opera Moses und Aron, which is one of the first musical dramas ever written in twelve tone technique. Did any of you listen to this, or his other musical dramas? So I'm interested in your thoughts on these.

I can’t like this enough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpPt9hVv0rM

Loren Schoenberg is back covering the Victor small group recordings. If you really want to learn about Benny and his music, this is it. Add in the Get Happy series that precedes this one, which covered Goodman’s big band from 1934-1936 and you’ve got hours and hours of Goodman.

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In half a year from now, on January 1st, 2022, all of the music of Arnold Schoenberg will reach its copyright expiration date. This means that the entire Second Viennese School (Schoenberg, Berg, and Webern) will all be in the public domain. To celebrate, let's create our own "covers" of all this music and upload them onto a bunch a free music websites, as well as Youtube! We can use any instruments, or even create an electronic cover if we want!

Oh, and a slight update from my previous post: I am fully aware that there are already copyrighted performances of these works available on YouTube. What I am suggesting is that we upload our own copyright-free performances or "covers" of these works ourselves. That is why I also mentioned free music websites. By copyright-free license I am of course referring to any music that doesn't have the non-commercial requirement, but rather is available to be used by anyone, for any purpose.

I recently got to listen to a live performance of Schoenberg's Pierrot Lunaire. I was shocked! It shares several themes with Bloodborne - pale blood, moon drunkenness, and invisible giant black moths to name a few... this is worth the read if you want to gain more insight into the topic!

I can't help but wonder if bloodborne was partially inspired by Schoenberg's piece. A stumbled upon an archived reddit post from 6 years ago with a comment claiming otherwise (https://www.reddit.com/r/bloodborne/comments/37nx8z/bloodborne_vis_a_vis_arnold_schoenbergs_pierrot/). It points out that while several themes are shared between the two, these can also be traced to inspiration from French Symbolism and German Expressionism of the late 19th/early 20 centuries, and their ties to Urban Gothic Romanticism.

While these are definitely inspired by the same roots, I am still unsatisfied; there seem to be far too many similarities between Bloodborne and Schoenberg's piece to ignore it entirely. Surely, if the writers of bloodborne were inspired by urban gothic literature, they would have also found inspiration in the music of that genre? Look at these examples:

1. From Mondestrunken (Moon-Drunk): "The writer, so divinely moved, Is greedy for the holy liquid, And skyward he directs his dizzy head, Then reeling, gulps and slurps down the wine which through our eyes we drink."
2. From Der Kranke Mond (The Sick Moon): " Your pale blood wrung from torment, Your nocturnal deathsick moon."
3. From Nacht (Night): "Black enormous butterflies have blotted out the sun's bright rays. And then earthwards from the sky, Flittering down with massive wingspan, Unperceived, the monstrous creatures, Light on human hearts and settle. Black enormous butterflies."
4. From Die Kreuze (The Crosses): "Swords gorged upon corpses, On Parade in blood scarlet!"
5. From Rote Messe (Red Mass): "With consecrated bearing He shows the anxious souls The dripping red Host: His heart - in bloodied fingers - For a terrible Last Supper."

It's fascinating to see! The story of Pierrot follows a comedian who flies too close to the moon (so to speak), verges on suicide, but then finds peace in himself. Here is the full text, followed by a complete recording: https://www.oxfordlieder.co.uk/song/2112 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b

How old was Arthur Schoenberg >!before he died!<?

I know he was "retired" before he went to work for that family. What's "retirement" age for guardians?

Hello everyone,

I would love to learn to compose better and recently I came across this textbook by Schoenberg: https://monoskop.org/images/d/da/Schoenberg_Arnold_Fundamentals_of_Musical_Composition_no_OCR.pdf

I have been reading it and trying out the examples but I was wondering if perhaps there was somewhere online where I could find someone going through the textbook and doing some of these examples as well? Just to make sure I am on the right track.

I also don't play the piano so it's just a little bit trickier for me to transfer everything into a notation software first to be able to hear it.

In the song The Shoes of the Fisherman's Wife are some Jive Ass Slippers, at 5:05, there's pretty much a direct quote from Schoenberg's Pelleas und Melisande it starts about 1:29 in. The lead up to this in the Mingus track also has some of the same tension in the harmony that Schoenberg uses in the piece leading up to it. It makes sense that Mingus would have heard this piece, as it exemplifies the organized chaos that's one of both his and early Schoenberg's signatures. Schoenberg's Verklacht Nacht is also a good example of early Schoenberg's organized chaos, before he began working on 12 tone theory.

In half a year from now, on January 1st, 2022, all of the music of Arnold Schoenberg will reach its copyright expiration date. This means that the entire Second Viennese School (Schoenberg, Berg, and Webern) will all be in the public domain. To celebrate, let's create our own "covers" of all this music and upload them onto a bunch a free music websites, as well as Youtube! We can use any instruments, or even create an electronic cover if we want!

Oh, and a slight update from my previous post: I am fully aware that there are already copyrighted performances of these works available on YouTube. What I am suggesting is that we upload our own copyright-free performances or "covers" of these works ourselves. That is why I also mentioned free music websites. By copyright-free license I am of course referring to any music that doesn't have the non-commercial requirement, but rather is available to be used by anyone, for any purpose.