Pomo People Puns

I'm still fairly new to being POMO, only been out for a few weeks and my mom said that even though I'm out, there are still rules like dont vape so I'm just curious how they'd react to me doing things no longer against the rules...? if that makes any sense lol

Hi All First time posting. Here goes. I was raised in a JW home, left when I was 17, never baptised.

Im now early 30s with 3 awesome, wild, free, loved kids of my own. Last year in my middle child's (7yrolds) class we lost his friend in a car accident. Four days after she died my youngest son, 4, had a cyst rupture in his brain. It was a very traumatic time for all of us. We are close with the family that lost their child, then to almost lose our own was a double whammy for us and our small school community. My trouble is now, all my kids experience anxiety around death. Totally understandable I know. Just wondering what other parents say to their children now? Or ppl without kids, how have you moved through the JW belief of paradise and learned to grieve in a healthy way?

My youngest son just came out from bed and said he is scared to die. I broke down. We are obviously all still grieving for our little friend.

I said to him that all I dream for him is a full long life, and that he dies of old age, peacefully in his sleep. But now they fully realise there are no guarantees. It breaks my heart and cause I was lied to I feel the urge to sugar coat things. Maybe i should say there is a heaven, and our little mate is there now. But fuck I cant bullshit them. Any insight to how others have grieved with their children would be welcome. It hurts so much

Tldr: 7yr old kid died. Then my son nearly died. Kids scared of death

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I am pretty confident that, “It’s all lies and persecution - evidence we are in the Last Days!” would not work on someone that is not brainwashed.

For example, can you imagine a JW accepting that same response from a Catholic or any other “false religion” (according to the “faithful and discreet slave”)? I think they would tactfully call 🐄 💩 on that one.

Also, I think it’d be kinda creepy to have someone from an organization that defends pedophiles knocking at my door and leaving notes on my door when I’m not at home. Just sayin’.

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I'm currently PIMO. Hopefully I can be like you guys someday.

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You don't have to disclose who you are, just wondering. I haven't tried to connect with ExJWs before, but I'm starting to think it might be a good idea to try, so I was wondering how many local people visit this forum.

I was scrolling through a search of old posts relating to people struggling and wanted to offer my inbox for anyone seeking support not only for people who identify as gay but anyone else seeking support. I've grown up being kicked out at 15 for being gay and lost everything.

If you need someone to talk to please don't hesitate to message me.

I've noticed that a lot of you awesome people are in the new world (America) so I was just wondering if there's any PIMO/POMO people here around my age that I could chat too, if there are don't be shy! Please say! 😄

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Hi all. I posted here a while ago about me and my fiance having a great open discussion about the BORG and we both ended up waking up. Good news is her brothers are also all very pomo and haven't attended a meeting since covid started. Great to be able to have open and frank discussions.

BUT not good because we want them all (4 of them) to walk at our wedding since they are really close friends of mine (and her brothers duh). Only issue is most elders are going to make sure all in the party are in good standing.

My fiance is at meeting (lol) but we will speak after regarding what the best option is. We really don't want it to be obvious we don't give a shit about their rules anymore, but we do want to make some sort of stand that shows them DON'T care what others think. Essentially that if its not grounds for dissfellowship or reproval-suck our figurative one flesh dick.

Any advice?

TLDR: Me and my fiance want her brothers to walk at our wedding. They are pomo and the elder giving our talk 99% chance won't let them walk. How do we make a stand for our personal values without giving it away?

POMO for about 6 weeks now so still very fresh. Feeling oddly between two worlds and it’s unsettling.

I run a business and work with a lot of people - about half are JW. Talking with them when they don’t know my current status (not DF or DA but 100% out) feels yucky.

Also trying to get closer to nonJW business associates and making friends feels so weird. I’ve told a few that I’ve left a cult and had some great, warm conversations.

I also have fears around how the JWs will relate to me once they find out. I truly care about some of them and they, me. I anticipate that loss.

Not looking for advice really, but can anyone relate?

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It is not wrong to answer "Yes" in Brazil, but in the informal language in everyday life, most brazilians don't answer "yes" to questions. Here I'll show some ways that brazilians answer, but if you're brazilian and in your region there are other ways to answer "yes" or "no", feel free to comment and add to the list.

Usually, brazilians answer with the verb that was questioned:

Q: Posso entrar? (May I come in?) A: Pode (You may/can)

Q: Você gosta de pizza? (Do you like pizza?) A: Gosto (I do)

Q: Eles estão aqui? (Are they here?) A: Estão (They are)

Q: Você já esteve no Brasil? (Have you ever been to Brazil?) A: Já (I have) < This one is tricky

Notice that we usually omit the subject (eu, você, eles) and just say the verb in the right verbal mode. Some people add "yes" or "no" at the end of the answer, it actually sounds more natural:

"Quero, sim!" "Foram, sim!" "Sei, sim!" "Pode, sim!"

Or with já: Já fui, sim! Já comi, sim! (You cannot use "Já" with negative answers)

If it's "no", you can say it both at the beggining and at the end: "Não quero, não" "Não sei, não"

Other way that it's really common to answer is with the words "é" (it is) or "isso" (this) especially when confirming a question or answering questions ended with "né?":

Q: Você quer a pizza de mussarela? (Do you want the mozzarela pizza?") A: "É" or "É, quero" (Literal translation: "It is" or "It is, I do")

Q: Você foi para casa depois da aula? (Did you go home after class?) A: "Isso" or "Isso, fui" (Literal translation: "This" or "This, I did")

When we are unsure of how to answer, we usually say a long "É" or "Pode ser" (It can be) or the slang "Ah, vai" (short of "Ah, vai isso mesmo então" it could be translated as "I'll settle for this")

Q: Você quer esse sabor mesmo? (Do you really want this flavor?) A: "Éééé... pode ser" (It is... It can be) or "Ah, vai" (short of "Ah, vai esse sabor mesmo" "I'll settle for this flavor")

Sometimes, instead of saying "yes" or "no" we answer with sounds:

"Uhum" or "Aham" - Confirming, meaning "yes"

"Uhm-uhm" or "Ahm-ahm" - Denying, meaning "no"

There are other slangs that could be used for answering "yes", or "very much yes" depending on the region:

- Opa!

- Ora, não!

- Pô!

- Tu é doido!

- Manda!

- Sempre!

Also slangs meaning "no":

- Que nada!

- Nem!

- Nunca!

Hi, I'm from Ukraine, being a PIMO JW for less than a year. I have read some wonderful books helping me to get out, like, of course, "Crisis of Conscience" and "Apocalypse Delayed". But, first questions that opened my eyes on Watchtower lies, were about issues of first people on earth created just 6000 years ago. Some time later, it was Noah's Flood issue, and Alan Feuerbacher's essays just cleared everything for me. After waking up, I wondered, that there's almost no such high-quality information like these in my native ukrainian language, and, imagine that, no ukrainian website dedicated to Watchtower critics exists. So, I decided to create such a website, translating some core articles from Paul Grundy's JWfacts site into ukrainian and publishing on a newly registered domain. I have not a great deal of free time, so in few months my articles count is just about ten, but I hope in early 2022 it will be ready for publishing. Haven't found yet any active collaborators in ukrainian exJW community, people there don't felt very interested in this kind of work. I hope that in short time, ukrainian speaking JWs will have more broad access to proper Watchtower critics in internet.

http://jwfacts.org.ua/ (currently it can be randomly inaccessible due to temporary issues with my hosting)

I woke up a few months ago. But what started my waking process was something so small. Beards. My husband has sensitive skin, so I remember one meeting he just didn’t shave. Afterwards an elder “jokingly” told him “Hey man you gotta shave that off”. I remember thinking why? Why are beards such a taboo in this organization? Then I got to thinking about a congregation not too far from us where beards are allowed. I said to myself, if Gods organization is supposed to be united in everything, what is the deal here? Then I got to thinking about the reasons we hand in field service reports. Where in the Bible does it tell us to do that? And if it’s just to keep track of how many people we reach, why do we need our names on it? All of these questions happened within DAYS. I asked my mom my questions and she couldn’t answer them either. Between us, we have been baptized for over 35 years… how the heck did we not know the reasons we do or do not do something. I talked to someone who I thought was a friend, and she damn near freaked out. Telling me I should talk to the elders and that she didn’t have the answers. At that point I still believed this was the “Truth” but her alarming response made me take a step back. Why was she so threatened? What was the big deal and why would I have to ask elders about something I’ve been doing my whole life? The rabbit hole was created. As soon as I found out about the ARC I was done. I’m a new mom to a baby girl… why didn’t we know about the CSA in this organization? Why is that being hidden from us? Proud to say hubby and I are PIMO working our way to be POMO. We’re done.

I'm seeing a lot of (albeit liberated) POMO's on here, repeatedly hounding PIMOs and PIMQs to leave the org "RIGHT NOW" and to not "WASTE YOUR LIFE". They even often use scriptures to perpetuate why they should without question just leave, questioning their integrity and shaming them for being PI. Do you guys not realise that you are using the same manipulative tactics and rhetoric that the org uses but just for your agenda? Do you not get that you are acting just like the smothers and fisters that were constantly on your ass trying to "help" (make) you stay in?
Ofc, being in the grips of the org is painful. But so is being in the grips of anyone. For a lot of people wanting to DA, it's about reclaiming autonomy and self. But now only to interact with "Like minds" on here that are trying to manipulate the autonomy away in the other direction. Tactless.
I am by no means telling you to stay, but I will never hound you to leave.
Entertaining the Idea of DAing (Especially when born in) IS EXISTENTIAL. The org has made it that way.

So I'd just like to say to all my PIMOs and PIMQs on here, Don't feel pressured to do anything. Take All The Time YOU Need

Hear me out.. it might be a crazy theory. However we all know how crazy JWs are. I don't think over 25,000 people have died who were JWs. They always have statistics showing hours, witnesses etc. Well with COVID there are an increase of PIMOs becoming POMO. They needed an excuse for so many people leaving the organization that they decided to use the pandemic. Anyone else agree? What are your thoughts? Oh and if this was already posted sorry!

As I distance myself further from the religion, I sometimes like to take memories that have made me thoughtful as a PIMI and review them now, as a POMO.

For several years, up to my last convention I ever attended (2019, the one with the awful "love" theme), just outside the gates marking the territory of the convention hall, there always stood a woman and a man during the day and evening. I don't know if they were there for the other conventions too, but they were always at the russian ones that I attended.

As they stood very visibly, signs raised, they called awareness to the CSA issues in the religion, albeit in a very simple way, both in German and Russian. The woman would call out things like "Paradise! - with child molesters" and "Soon there will be Paradise, with Jehovah's Witnesses walking over the corpses of the innocent, including children"

We have been encouraged to ignore them, with more daring JWs telling them to f' off. It makes me think of who these people really were. Were they just people who hated JWs? I think they were probably apostates. Also, while I think this kind of activism is rather pointless, I do respect them, as they stood for hours in the heat and cold to shout out the atrocities of the Watchtower.

Have you encountered such sort of activists while PIMI, or even PIMO? I'd love to hear your stories

I just wanted to share because I’m really happy about this. I met her when I moved into her congregation and we became friends. I left the JWs a few years ago and had to leave my friends behind. She reached out to me this week and at first I thought it was due to that “reach out to inactive ones” campaign. So I ignored at first, but she came out as POMO in text! We are getting together next week. People are figuring it out! Please share experiences of reconnecting with old friends and the happiness of breaking free.

Do your worst!

Big argument with pimi wife. She knows I’m PIMO….basically Pomo.

She was on me for going to a party with co- Workers. I invited her…‘em she didn’t go. She doesn’t know them , but readily judges them; you know, worldly people. Her accusation was that they use profanity. Ok, they do. ( I don’t by the way) I told her ok, but profanity does not make a person “bad”. She still didn’t agree. So I asked her…

Who would you want over to our house to visit, someone that uses profanity or someone that kills children? We have children in the house. The answer, I think , is obvious. I was referring of course to Jehovah. He kills children. She said, no he doesn’t! I just looked at her…really? The flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, the amalekites, Armageddon….

She said , don’t talk about Jehovah that way. I said , I’m just sharing what the Bible and what the general Jw belief is.

She didn’t answer.

End of conversation.

It’s been hell friends. I appreciate your support. And I’m there for you too.

I've gone through my monthly cycle of overwhelming myself with political information and one of the things I've stumbled onto is r/ stupidpol, which basically denounces identify politics. I've personally never seen the big deal with identify politics, but I am also someone who is very much not engrained into the political sphere (mainly because of the general overwhelming) and so don't really have anyone to talk about these types of things to. Thus I like to sometimes just ask things to Reddit as I am doing now!

Thank you!

I'm pomo, left approximately a year ago and in that period of time until now a good amount of jws drifted away from the congregation, my father (elder) told me they are planning on moving the meetings to Saturday and hope for the best since the assistance is too low and the elders have a hard time managing the tasks since one of them can't have much privileges for harassing a minor. For reference, the congregation had originally 170 members, which then went down to 110, and down to 60/70 active members currently, with only 6 regular pioneers and counting kids that are baptizes but don't go over 10 years old.

I'm not sure this situation applies to most congregations, but this is definitely an Argentinian crisis they are going through. Solely from my group of "jw friends" ten people left, in a period of one year, and some of them are shunned some of them are just going on their lives without caring about the religion encourage to talk it out and receive "Discipline" (good for them). JW really can't outsmart young people, specially when the info is so easy to find.

Jws are so hated and people are just done, there's only one woman in my congregation that's studying with them, only one. And most members are not reporting visits or even preaching. Should we have high hopes for the future?

Edit: So I just checked jw.borg and they changed the number of members from Argentina from 160.000 and something to 156.000

https://www.jw.borg/es/testigos-de-jehov%C3%A1/por-todo-el-mundo/AR/

Bold move if you ask me

Thank you to everyone who has talked to me here on this subreddit. I'm officially POMO and my husband who was PIMQ is now POMO too thanks to this forum, lloyd evans, and the falling tower on YT.

I know a lot of people on here end up splitting with their spouses because of this, but it is possible for them to wake up with you like what happened to me!! Our relationship is stronger than it ever has been and I think it's because we both realize we were together because of more than just the religion. We both faded out the past few months, haven't told our families who live far away yet, but our congregation knows.

It's so freeing. I finally can be myself for the first time in my life. Since I'm now officially out though, I'm not going to keep dwelling on the past. I'm done watching lloyd and I'm done in this subreddit. It just makes me more and more bitter/angry. So to avoid that I'm out. Thanks again everyone. ❤

It really does, I swear!

For context I'm a Refuse Driver (Garbage man) & today I was on food waste. After I'd tipped I was checking the wagon for any defects when I spotted a lone pea balanced on the lifts.

I said "hey look, an escaPEA"

No one near me but it didn't half make me laugh for a good hour or so!

Edit: I can't believe how much this has blown up. Thank you everyone I've had a blast reading through the replies 😂

I keep reading about how the elders knew secrets/sins of majority of the congregation, but this must be due to the fact that people told to elders on themselves. Why would anybody do that??? Afaik this is NOT the catholic church and people don't have to do confession. Do JWs think that confession clears you of the crime? I've been POMO for some time now, I'm starting to forget the basic things 😄.

We’ve now been officially POMO for 9 months. I’ve never been an anxious person, but I had put off telling my elder dad and my mom about our inactivity because the thought of confrontation gave me severe anxiety. In that time I have been doing things in the community to keep busy doing good things for others and the earth, and I’ve also been seeing a therapist-hoping it would get me in the right mindset to face that confrontation and not lose it. We have two small children, so that’s where a lot of the anxiety came from, my oldest of the two loves her grandparents so much and we would see them often. Things were easy for about 6-7 months because they suspected nothing and our visits would be like normal.

About a month ago, my elder dad found out we’ve stopped going to meetings, but we were able to keep up our visits without confrontation or being counseled. Probably thanks to the Watchtower this weekend, my dad finally confronted me, but the months of therapy and thinking helped me to be ready. He asked me why we no longer attended meetings. If you’ve followed my story, a past post mentions how I had a CSA case that was handled very wrong.

Since my parents saw that mishandling with their very eyes, I figured I would start with that. I was feeling calm and very bold. I let him know how badly my CSA case was handled and how even though I don’t blame him and my mom, since they were only doing what they were taught to do-that doesn’t change the fact that my abuser walked off free of charge (minus the restraining order I got granted against him) because he didn’t immediately get picked up by the police. Because my parents went to the elders first, this sociopath had 3 weeks to dodge the cops since the elders warned him. That’s enough time for an already good liar to prepare himself to take a lie detector on his terms, when he’s ready and pass it.

My parents admitted that it was mishandled but said they still wouldn’t have done things differently, that was Jehovahs way. I asked my dad to open his Bible to Deuteronomy 22:25-27. He read about if a man overtakes a woman in the field and she screams that he would be stoned to death EVEN IF THERES NOBODY TO HELP HER. I asked him “does that sound like she needed a second witness or to go to the elders for a dragged out inappropriate judicial process in the church?” He couldn’t deny that, but my mom chimes in “that’s the old law, we don’t follow the old law anymore. So i replied, “yet you still don’t accept blood.”

TL;DR my mom wrote to bethel on the recent shepherding book guidance on CP and the BORGS alliance with the UN as an NGO. Bethel wrote a letter back to her elders and they read the letter to her. I can get the letter (possibly) if I contact the elders and ask for it myself. Should I y/n? Why?

Okay so about a month ago my PIMI mother wrote a letter to Bethel asking why the WBTS was an NGO for like 10+ years and requested an explanation. She did so on the pretense of helping her POMO daughter (me).

She also asked on the wording of the child pornography section of the shepherding book. She asked why it was worded (as seen in a previous very popular post) that they are not necessarily subject to a judicial committee.

The bethel wrote back to her elders instead of my mom (really fucking sus) and they had a meeting with my mom (doubly fucking sus) where they read the letter to her. After, she sat down with me and told me what the elders said to her.

She says I can request a copy of the letter from bethel if I reach out to the elders myself. I am not disfellowshipped but have been inactive about five years after being reproved. I feel that this may be a trap to get me into contact with them for a disfellowshipping meeting. My mom is simply being difficult in not requesting this letter herself as we've been really at it recently with my winter visit. This is not my faded congregation, and not my elders. Can these elders DF me? All my family is POMI or PIMI or privately PIMO thus I cannot be DF'd.

However, I am willing to consider reaching out and attempting to acquire said letter if people think that it may be worthwhile. Yes or no, and why? Other insights very appreciated.

Edit: some want letter content details as was relayed to me by my mother.

UN: they made use of the public information libraries with the UN but there became some conflict with the person running them as they were not an NGO. It was explained to the brother who worked with and accessed the UN's libraries that he could not be refused access if WBTS was an NGO and so WBTS became one to maintain access to these libraries.

Upon becoming aware of the meaning of being an NGO 10+ yrs later they withdrew membership.

I do not believe this story for one hot second it is a load of horse shit.

Shepherding book: the wording is provided to give wiggle room for exceptions.

For instance: if a teenager views CP out of curiosity and has a guilty conscience, tells their parents and goes to the