Before no-fault-divorce, people were able to let themselves go. We don't have that luxury anymore. I've always thought the ideal relationship is the one in which you can slowly let yourself go instead of keeping your game up all the time.
We’re nearly a year out from That One Tucker Carlson Rant: the one where he talked at length about how the American economy had left behind low-skilled men and how that was ruining their chances at marriage. There was a lot of truth in this theory, as evidenced by the decline of the manufacturing sector, slow wage growth for the less educated, and growing numbers of men opting out of the labor force entirely, not to mention studies showing that women really do prize breadwinning in their mates.
But a new academic paper, from University of Michigan Ph.D. candidate Ariel J. Binder, asks us to remember that causation can run in the opposite direction too: The decline of low-skilled men’s marriage prospects could cause them to stop pursuing work. Binder shows this by looking at two major social changes that made low-skilled men less important as breadwinners. Combined, these shifts could explain 28 percent of the ten-point decline in the labor-force participation of young, non-college-educated men between 1965 and 2015.
Carlson said that “male wages declined” and added that “when men make less than women, women generally don’t want to marry them.” Binder adds that even when men have a decent job, many women aren’t interested in them. And “when work is less likely to win a desirable marriage contract, why bother?”
The first major social change the paper discusses is unilateral divorce, which swept the country between the 1960s and the 1980s. What does this have to do with breadwinning by low-skilled men? Essentially, it encourages wives to work for a variety of reasons:
>*When spouses must mutually consent to a divorce, individual bargaining power within marriage is irrelevant, and it is best for spouses to coordinate their activities. But in a unilateral regime, the utility a spouse could achieve in a unilateral divorce becomes a credible threat point within marriage. Thus, under a unilateral regime, a wife may choose to invest in her own career for two related reasons. The first is to insure against being poor in the event that the marriage turns out badly and the husband initiates a unilateral divorce. The second is to insure against the husband not sharing his earnings with her within marriage — if he does
... keep reading on reddit ➡Hello everyone. First post ever. My wife and I are in the process of filing for dissolution of marriage. We have discussed splitting assets already and so far everything is amicable.
Here is my situation. I was rear-ended earlier this year. Had gotten the run around from the at fault parties insurance. I hired a personal injury attorney to handle that aspect. I was hit so hard 50mph+ I received whiplash, tilted pelvis and tears in my shoulder. I am just about over the hump with physical therapy. Have one more month and the orthopedic doctor feels I will be cleared from further treatments.
So we are looking at probably about 5-6 more weeks until everything is done. What my question is. Will my soon to be ex wife have any legal claim to half of whatever my settlement will be? We Live in Arizona so it’s community property state.
Should I file before the settlement or is she entitled to it no matter when we file? I plan to use whatever I get to pay off the new truck I had to finance after the accident as well as any outstanding debts.
I have been reading that once you file it stops the clock on everything financial.
Thanks for any and all information.
Does anyone have any experience with this? I'm looking to file soon. I just wanted to ask some questions if anyone is willing to give their side of it. We're looking to get divorced, its mutual, no fault, no kids and not a lot of assets. Want to avoid lawyers if at all possible because we have agreed to each others terms already. We wante to draft a separation agreement but the courthouse website doesn't give any information as to when something like that would be entered in the process. Do you also have to file a praecipe for self representation before even starting the process?
PM me if you have any advice, thank you!
I live in Pennsylvania, and just starting to read up on no-fault vs fault divorces which this state has both of. Any other states like this?
I'm using Google, but is there any website anyone can recommend that's good? Just trying to research as much as I can before I see any lawyer.
Are the majority of divorces in PA no-fault or fault? And why? I have heard that "fault" divorces take a very long time to get a court date, making PA mostly no-fault, but I'm not sure.
Do things get split fairly 50-50 in a PA no-fault divorce, or is there much of a Judge making decisions on things?
My possible stbxw is very vindictive and maybe even BPD or close to it. I could see a likelihood where she wouldn't agree to a quick no-fault divorce just to be as spiteful as possible.
I have a nearby neighbor who's in his 60's and divorced about a decade ago. He said his ex left him for another guy, but the judge gave him the house and nearly everything else. He proudly says that this left his ex in shock. He acts like he knows the judge (he's somewhat well connected) I'm guessing he went for a "fault" divorce?
And any advice from anyone in any similar states is appreciated (no-fault vs fault).
Ex and I are super civil. Both moved on, have 2 kids. We're seeking a clean split . We don't own any property together. Each of us own our own vehicles etc. And as far as custody goes we just work it out on a as needed basis. My question is, can we be granted a no fault or collaborative divorce with 2 kiddos being in the picture? Can we use the same lawyer (neither of us have much $ and we're trying to keep costs low)? Or will we have to go thru judicial intervention on account of having the kids? Thank you for your time
I don't have an issue with the existence of divorce, or even no-fault divorce. Better two people who are truly unhappy be able go their own way, rather than torture each other for the rest of their lives.
But, being able to initiate a divorce for no reason, and still claim 50% of the marital property and/or alimony is moral hazard, plain and simple. It incentivizes ending a marriage without a damn good reason and encourages all sorts of other ugly shit.
Especially when the guy is usually but not always the person who invests more financially in the marriage, and women are the ones most likely to initiate a divorce.
Family court in general needs serious reform all across the Western world, but that would be a good start.
The questions of custody and child support I consider a separate issue from this specific one.
This is the post about the second divorce; Pillary's divorce to our SF. This is a long, traumatising event, and some areas of it I'm not ready to speak about, even after a decade.
I have mentioned in previous posts that SF was out of the country a lot to do his second job. This was his real passion and the career he wanted to pursue for the rest of his life. The problem was that this career is a time-consumer and one of the ones that you have to slowly work your way up, but once you do you meet plenty of famous people and are generally very well-respected and well-paid. There are some that criticise his decision because he's away from his children so often and, honestly, sometimes I do too. But it's similar to army personnel being called away; it was his job, and it was how he paid the bills and kept himself sane. He would return for periods of time and lavish gifts on us, days out, expensive holidays abroad - anything we children wanted, he would snap his fingers and we would have. If not for Pillary, our childhood could have been idyllic, even spoilt. But of course, there was always Pillary.
Pillary loved the money but hated that she would often be responsible for her children. She would send SF away demanding more money and would always call him partway through his trip, demanding he return home or she would either kill herself, leave 'his kids' outside his mother's (SGM's) house and drive away, or disappear and leave us to fend for ourselves. He would return, having had to forfeit his pay, and Pillary would be furious that there was no money. This repeated over and over again, peppered by fights where she would often get violent, and sometimes she would throw him out of his own house and smash up his possessions. Each time he came back to her, and I'll explain why later on in this post.
Pillary became pregnant with LB some time before they were married, but we were all cohabiting as a family. SF had been in my life since I was a very small baby and, thanks to Pillary's lies about my BD, he was the only dad I had ever known. I called him Daddy and fetched his cidre from the fridge; I went with him on his deliveries; I curled up with him on the sofa; and he protected me as his child. He cared about me like his child. I was his child. But when LB was born, Pillary started to set up our rivalry with each other. She would often point out to me, little 4-year-old Political, that LB was SGM's real grandchild and she preferred him over me, that he sh
... keep reading on reddit ➡I admit. I fucked up. 12 years of marriage and 2 were bad. Turned 40 and started drinking everyday. I talked to other women online. A true mid-life crisis. We have three kids all under 12. I love her so much. We have lived apart for 6 months now and I’m miserable. Dream about her every night. I know I won’t ever be happy without her. I’m struggling hard. What do I do??
If one party lives in main residence (single family home), and the other in a trailer, on the same residential property; would this qualify as separation in the eyes of the law?
This has been in the news in the UK several times.
There were plans to introduce a no fault divorce bill last year. The bill itself had very strong support amongst legal professionals, MPs and the general public.
It was dropped due to the proroguing of parliament and then briefly reintroduced before being dropped again due to the general election.
There are plans to reintroduce it in the new parliament session.
Does anyone know an approximate timescale for when this might become law? I appreciate this might get delayed due to Brexit legislation.
I'm a lawyer, I live in Los Angeles, my name...isn't really important.
I'm not really a fan of the whole "post shit on a message board for nerds" thing but I need to get something off my chest because it was weird. I mean, a lot of the stuff I deal with is weird, but this was really weird.
A few years ago I get a call from someone claiming to be a butler who works in a house in Bel-Air. The guy tells me that his boss wants to hire me. I tell him to bring his boss to my office, he says that I have to come to the house. That's not really how I work but he's insistent and he says that the client will make it worth my time. Okay, fine, whatever.
I show up to this massive house in Bel-Air, I pull my Benz into the driveway and I knock on the door. A couple seconds later an honest to god stuffy, Downton Abbey-Alfred from Batman English butler answers the door. He claims that he's the guy who called me and that the "mistress of the house" wants to see me in the living room.
He leads me into the house and sitting on a couch in the middle of the room is the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. She's like six feet tall, blond, with these great big tits and long legs. She's outright stunning. Just...I mean gorgeous.
Anyway, the woman explains that she wants a divorce and needs me to help her get started. For this job, she says she'll pay me triple my hourly rate and any expenses I incur throughout the process.
This is all a little weird but, hey...I make five hundred an hour and this lady wants to triple that. Her dime, right?
So I ask her how she wants to divide the assets and if her spouse is planning on fighting over anything. She claims that she'd like an even split on the monetary assets but that her spouse should get the house and the car, while she would get to keep the butler's employment contract.
I look over at the butler and ask him if he has a problem with that and the butler claims that he would much prefer to stay with the lady and not the spouse. Done deal, I explain.
I start asking some basic questions to get the ball rolling and I pull out my laptop with a few of my family law files on it, as I'm setting the computer on the coffee table in front of me I get a good look at this woman's legs and I notice a tattoo on her ankle, just a cute little tattoo of a rose.
"Nice ink." I say.
The lady gets all insulted and claims that it was her spouse's idea to get that and that she hates it.
"Well you can get it removed after the divorce."
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Since there have been a lot of "good bye, r/divorce" posts lately, I figured I'd log into my alt and drop my 2 cents.
A lot of the posts here fall into 2 categories:
- OP is to blame (even partially) for downfall of the marriage
- OP has no blame and the divorce came as a shock
I definitely fell into the later category. While looking back now that the worst is well past me, I can see I put up with a lot "for the marriage" or "for the kids". Not good reasons to stay in a marriage, but what is perfect? Luckily, my middle child is nearly an adult and the youngest is pretty resilient.
The court has accepted the final settlement and all that is left now is paying out my overly priced attorney. At >$300 an hour, he was hardly worth it, but he did bring peace of mind during tough parts (Yes, a discount was requested on the final invoice). In the end, both the Ex and I got some of what we wanted and I've moved on (and in with) an extremely incredible new SO.
There are still days of sadness that I've left the "protective unit" of my family. But those days are fewer and fewer as I embrace my new life. Coming out the other side, I am indeed stronger. May you also find the inner strength to grow and learn from the experience.
So the year is 1965 in the UK or the US. Say the husband has a mistress he has been sleeping with and he wants to be able to marry the mistress. He is the one who has committed adultery.
Could he then apply for divorce, citing his own adultery?
Or did the one wanting a divorce [husband in this scenario] have to prove some fault of the other [wife]?
So in this scenario, would the wife have to be the one to seek divorce back then as she was the one who could prove fault against the husband?
Could she in effect refuse to get divorced and stymie the husband's wishes, never diivorce him so he could not marry his mistress?
