Golgi tendons or muscle spindles? What's actually used to keep a standing armbar?

I'll try keep this as simple and short as possible, I'm struggling to completely wrap my head around it but it makes sense in my head, what doesn't make sense is that if I'm correct then I've been taught it wrong, but I don't feel confident enough to be like 'this is what I believe is right even without experience ect'.

To keep a standing armbar on and keep the arm straight, I was taught to grind the forearm against the Golgi tendon. I've always done this on the centre of the tricep and it's worked fine. My problem being is; perhaps it's not any of the Golgi tendons I'm attacking but rather the muscle spindles.

I'm going to add an obligatory not a neuroscientist or amazing martial artist here, which I believe fuels my lack of confidence in my own thinking. But I am always open to constructively critisizing my own training with the hope to learn more/improve.

The Golgi tendons are located within the tendons ipsilateral to each muscle in the body. These measure stress that the muscle is under in order to prevent harm. If I tried to lift a car, they'd force my muscle's to relax so I wouldn't rip my muscle and tendon away from the bone, like sometimes how a powerlifter may have their arms just collapse if the weight is just too much. This being the inverse myotatic reflex.

The muscle spindles located intramuscularly measure muscle length the appropriate stretching of the muscle. It prevents the muscle being stretched too far and tearing I believe.

Okay, this is my thinking; granted I've always applied it around the centre of the tricep and it's worked fine, this wouldn't be where I'd think the tendons to be, but rather I'm imagining I'm providing a lot of direct (perhaps not exactly direct but as close as I can) stimuli to the muscle spindles. I imagine this mimicks the stimuli needed to start sending afferent responses to the nervous system which then proceeds to send an efferent response in return for each afferent response. I believe this sends EPSP (excitatory postsynaptic potential) back to the muscle to increase action potential for the muscle to activate. This process being the myotatic reflex.

When doing a standing armbar seemingly everyone I've trained with tries to power out and lifts their elbow and curls their arm inwards, but to get their arm straight I'd have to invoke a myotatic reflex and not an inverse myotatic reflex. Otherwise an inverse myotatic reflex would just relax the muscle, but they wouldn't be using their tricep to pull their

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Doubt: Muscle spindle

It's a very basic doubt tho. It's given that muscle spindle responds to increased stretch in the muscle fibre and activates agonist muscle, simultaneously inhibits the antagonist muscle to prevent overstretching. How does inhibition of the antagonist muscle prevent overstretching? Shouldn't it be activation?

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How do muscle spindles work?

I understand that the change in length of a muscle spindle initiates a stretch reflex.

Do the intrafusal fibers contract during a stretch reflex? If yes, how do they contract and why do they contract?

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ah yes muscle spindles
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Sensory feedback from cardiac muscle. Is there the equivalent of spindle cells and gamma motorneurons in cardiac muscle?

There is strong sensory feedback during a cardiac infarction, a cramp in cardiac muscle. Is there the equivalent of spindle cells and gamma motorneuron feedback in cardiac muscle? Are we unable to sense tension in cardiac muscle? Is there a tension feedback regulation system in cardiac muscle?

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Can someone help me understand Muscle Spindles and the Golgi Tendon Reflex, specifically their innervations?

I understand the basics of what they do, but I can't really figure out their innervation pathways. Are they the same? I know they go into the spinal column, but does the GTO go into the brain as well? Any light you could shed on that would be helpful. Thanks!

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How many Ia sensory afferent fibers are attached to one muscle spindle?
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New to Spinning … feeling frustrated

My husband bought me a new Flat Iron Spinning Wheel for Christmas. Building the wheel itself felt like an accomplishment. Now that everything is nice and oiled up, time to feed the wheel. Unfortunately I’m finding myself making a lot of mistakes. Holding my right thumb to tightly and frequently over spinning. Forgetting to pedal leading to stopping or slowing the wheel. YouTube videos have become a bit frustrating, β€œLook at how easy this is”. Certainly doesn’t feel easy at the moment.

I’m hoping to crowdsource some tips from fellow spinners when they were first beginning. What was helpful learning along the way? Does practice make perfect? How important is posture?

Thanks!

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SERIOUS: This subreddit needs to understand what a "dad joke" really means.

I don't want to step on anybody's toes here, but the amount of non-dad jokes here in this subreddit really annoys me. First of all, dad jokes CAN be NSFW, it clearly says so in the sub rules. Secondly, it doesn't automatically make it a dad joke if it's from a conversation between you and your child. Most importantly, the jokes that your CHILDREN tell YOU are not dad jokes. The point of a dad joke is that it's so cheesy only a dad who's trying to be funny would make such a joke. That's it. They are stupid plays on words, lame puns and so on. There has to be a clever pun or wordplay for it to be considered a dad joke.

Again, to all the fellow dads, I apologise if I'm sounding too harsh. But I just needed to get it off my chest.

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An Outcast In Another World (Subtitle: Is 'Insanity' A Racial Trait?) [Fantasy, LitRPG] - Chapter 82 + 82.5 (Book 3 Chapter 9 + 10)

Note to new readers: Book 1, comprising Chapters 1 through 38, have been taken down and moved to Kindle Unlimited. If you're interested in reading the story from the beginning, you can find it here.

For the sake of HFY's Rule 7, here's a 350+ word description of Book 1 in pastebin form so this post doesn't get too cluttered.

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Chapter 82

Zamira’s eyes fluttered open.

The first thing she became aware of was an aching in her head. Not one so bad that it was debilitating; rather, it was a dull sort of pain that was both consistent and persistent. With great care, she touched her fingers to her forehead, rubbing gently to ease the soreness. As the last dregs of sleep faded, and her vision cleared, she next became aware of her friends surrounding her bedside in a ring of apprehension. One by one, they noticed that she was awake, and their faces lit up like miniature suns.

β€œHello, everyone.” she muttered, her voice soft as to not provoke the soreness monsters living in her head. β€œMy apologies, but there seems to be a blind spot in my memories. What happened? Why do you all look so concerned? I remember Rob teaching me Fiendish, and then...”

She blinked. β€œAh.” Scrolling through her text log painted a grim portrait. Zamira’s skin prickled with goosebumps when she saw the point at which her HP had dropped below 50, barely stabilizing afterwards via the ministrations of the Deserters’ Healers. Antecedent to those Healing spells were a litany of HP Potions keeping her alive, so many that Rob must have emptied nearly his entire stock in Storage.

And above every message, at the text log’s zenith, was a practical joke.

Name: Auto-Translate (Fiendish Speech)
Prerequisite: 30 Mind, listen to at least several hundred hours of conversation in Fiendish, and spend a moderate amount of time trying to understand it.
Description: Automatically translates any Fiendish speech you hear into Common. Was traversing a thorny road worth the prize at the end? Many would call you a fool, but as they say, the line between genius and idiocy is determined by success.

I see, Zamira thought, in a dry tone. So this is what it feels like to be a victim of the system’s subtle mockery. I can’t say I particularly care for it.

She had just finished perusing the last of the messages when Keira dashed forward and hugged her.

For a moment, everything was wonderful and warm. Then t

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Just because it's a joke, doesn't mean it's a dad joke

Alot of great jokes get posted here! However just because you have a joke, doesn't mean it's a dad joke.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT NSFW, THIS IS ABOUT LONG JOKES, BLONDE JOKES, SEXUAL JOKES, KNOCK KNOCK JOKES, POLITICAL JOKES, ETC BEING POSTED IN A DAD JOKE SUB

Try telling these sexual jokes that get posted here, to your kid and see how your spouse likes it.. if that goes well, Try telling one of your friends kid about your sex life being like Coca cola, first it was normal, than light and now zero , and see if the parents are OK with you telling their kid the "dad joke"

I'm not even referencing the NSFW, I'm saying Dad jokes are corny, and sometimes painful, not sexual

So check out r/jokes for all types of jokes

r/unclejokes for dirty jokes

r/3amjokes for real weird and alot of OC

r/cleandadjokes If your really sick of seeing not dad jokes in r/dadjokes

Punchline !

Edit: this is not a post about NSFW , This is about jokes, knock knock jokes, blonde jokes, political jokes etc being posted in a dad joke sub

Edit 2: don't touch the thermostat

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I heard that by law you have to turn on your headlights when it’s raining in Sweden.

How the hell am I suppose to know when it’s raining in Sweden?

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Petition to ban rants from this sub

Ants don’t even have the concept fathers, let alone a good dad joke. Keep r/ants out of my r/dadjokes.

But no, seriously. I understand rule 7 is great to have intelligent discussion, but sometimes it feels like 1 in 10 posts here is someone getting upset about the jokes on this sub. Let the mods deal with it, they regulate the sub.

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French fries weren’t cooked in France.

They were cooked in Greece.

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This subreddit is 10 years old now.

I'm surprised it hasn't decade.

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You've been hit by
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My 4 year oldest favourit joke, which he very proudly memorized and told all his teachers.

Two muffins are in an oven, one muffin looks at the other and says "is it just me, or is it hot in here?"

Then the other muffin says "AHH, TALKING MUFFIN!!!"

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I'm sick of you guys posting dumb wordplay in here for awards and upvotes.

Don't you know a good pun is its own reword?

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Puns make me numb

Mathematical puns makes me number

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Dropped my best ever dad joke & no one was around to hear it

For context I'm a Refuse Driver (Garbage man) & today I was on food waste. After I'd tipped I was checking the wagon for any defects when I spotted a lone pea balanced on the lifts.

I said "hey look, an escaPEA"

No one near me but it didn't half make me laugh for a good hour or so!

Edit: I can't believe how much this has blown up. Thank you everyone I've had a blast reading through the replies πŸ˜‚

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What starts with a W and ends with a T

It really does, I swear!

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My wife left me because I couldn’t stop doing impressions of pasta

And now I’m cannelloni

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Why did Karen press Ctrl+Shift+Delete?

Because she wanted to see the task manager.

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Steve JOBS would have made a better President than Donald Trump

But that’s comparing apples to oranges

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I just flew in from Chernobyl

And boy are my arms legs.

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So 2 trees got arrested in the town I live...

Heard they've been doing some shady business.

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No gains
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My 7 year old daughter just told me this one. I'm so proud. What did the duck say when he bought chapstick?

Put it on my bill

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I was almost upset that my coffee tasted like dirt today

but then I remembered it was ground this morning.

Edit: Thank you guys for the awards, they're much nicer than the cardboard sleeve I've been using and reassures me that my jokes aren't stale

Edit 2: I have already been made aware that Men In Black 3 has told a version of this joke before. If the joke is not new to you, please enjoy any of the single origin puns in the comments

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Why does Spider-Man's calendar only have 11 months?

He lost May

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How eggs-traordinary
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What is the scariest tree?

BamBOO!

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Geometry sucks
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What is a a bisexual person doing when they’re not dating anybody?

They’re on standbi

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My ten-year-old daughter came up with this at dinner tonight: What do you get if put a copy of Macbeth on top of a dictionary?

A play on words.

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A queen size statement.
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Did you know all dogs are made up of only 3 elements?

Calcium, nickel, neon

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My son, Luke, loves how I named our kids after Star Wars characters...

My daughter, Chewbecca, not so much.

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Orion's belt
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Geddit? No? Only me?
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I wanna hear your best airplane puns.

Pilot on me!!

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E or ß?
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Blind Girl Here. Give Me Your Best Blind Jokes!

Do your worst!

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When I was a single man, I had loads of free time.

Now that I listen to albums, I hardly ever leave the house.

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