Kayfabe Puns

Triple H, Hunter, and Paul. If I'm wrong are there any other examples? I first thought of this because wrestlers will still call him "Hunter" in shoot capacities (like Tommy End) and I think that's funny.

12 year old me was absolutely furious when Matt Hardy cost Jeff the WWE title at Royal Rumble

Edit: When it comes to modern heels, no one annoys me more now than the Bucks and Kenny, they're insufferable and seeing them lose their belts will be glorious lol

We see Wrestlers do some crazy shit in Kayfabe. That would required Superpowers. Falling off high spots, lifting heavy stuff, and surviving the impossible.

WWE, Chikara, Lucha Underground, and even AEW. All have their Superhuman Kayfabe Wrestler moment.

But out of all the Kayfabe Wrestlers who pulled off the best Superhuman feats. It doesn't necessarily have to be a Supernatural Wrestler like the Undertaker. But feel free to used Undertaker as an example too. But keep in mind you have a plethora of Normal human Wrestlers to choose from.

But who is the most Superhuman in all of Pro Wrestling History?

So, I am a firm believer that everyone can learn something by observation. Wrestling, in my opinion, is a great choice due to the wide variety of sources of content and individuals involved. With that said, I feel that I have learned a ton of things watching wrestling throughout the years. My example: Everybody's got a price. Whether it's money, power, or championship gold, anyone can be influenced for the right price. What about you guys? What has watching wrestling taught you?

Alright, this weeks kayfabe question seeks to figure out what are the most powerful weapons in kayfabe.

Warm up questions:
Which weapon has the highest knock out rate?
Which weapon has put the most wrestlers on the shelf?
What weapons are only brought out for special occasion?
Which title belt is the most powerful when used as a weapon?

Any and all foreign objects are fair game in this discussion. Chairs, tape, light tubes, fuji dust, mist, barbed wired instruments, flame throwers, invisible hand grenades, forklifts, any objects that has been blessed with kayfabe magic.

In Kayfabe we see Wrestlers do a lot of awful things. Hit people with weapons, speak ill of the dead, attack people at their houses, bring people's families and personal lives into their beef, burying people, and trying to actually murder people. The list goes on. I can do this all day.

Some of these Wrestlers should be in prison. Or killed by mobs of vigilantes fans. Or at least canceled on Twitter lol.

Then these same Villainous Wrestlers have a change of heart and turn Baby Face. And we as fans are to post to accept that and erase all the bad stuff they did in the past lol. I love Wrestling man.

So who is the most dangerous and infamous Kayfabe Wrestler that you would never forgive or accept a babyface turn from?

Hello everyone. Forgot to post this on Monday and next Monday is a holiday so yeah here we go.

This week let's talk about the Kayfabe laws of physics. These are the unspoken/unwritten rules and absolute truths of wrestling that almost everyone follows no matter where or who you are.

Here are a few suggested warm up examples of what I'm talking about:

Never headbutt a Samoan.
If Cena does his 2 shoulder block combo then the opponent will always get up and immediately throw a right hook.
Ric Flair will go to the top rope in a big match.
Being ejected from ringside is the most offensive thing you can tell a wrestler/manager and must be sold in that manner.

Bonus points if you can offer up a William Regal style explanation for the rules as well.

If so, why did Bart not give Austin some tips from the Brawl For All on how to take on Ogogo?

This week I'd like to discuss who are kayfabe the best referees.

Who can keep the wrestlers in check the best when they are officiating?
Who takes the least amount of shit from the heels?
Who calls it down the middle?
Who actually enforces tag team rules!?!?
Who doesn't get knocked out from being breathed on?
Who gets distracted the least from managers and other non combatants?
Who adds to the excitement of the match without drawing the attention away from the wrestlers?

This might be difficult to figure out since it seems like every single referee is susceptible to being bad at just about all of these. Either that or they are all paid off by the heels in the match.

All Referees from all promotions are fair game. Celebrity and special guest referees are also 100% part of the discussion.

Even at around 7-ish years old, I knew the Undertaker wasn't actually undead, but the one that I bought into most was Ted Dibiase. I legit thought he was just a millionaire trying to make a point by wrestling, and it didn't help that I was still living in my birth country, a 3rd world country, and I already thought all Americans were filthy rich at that age. I thought this guy could literally buy the WWF if he wanted to.

What about you?

So is Kris Statlander supposed to be an alien in human form, or is her appearance supposed to be what her alien race looks like?

We all complain when a wrestler gets distracted because of a theme playing but in reality, if a wrestler goes to the ring to distract someone during a match or segment, wouldn't it be smarter to actually catch the wrestler by surprise and have it be a sneak attack? They do it sometimes when it's convenient for the angle but in kayfabe why would a wrestler's theme ever play? Makes no sense to me.

If you watch Adam Cole on his twitch channel and mention anything with Kyle O'Reilly it gets instantly deleted. Big props Cole for keeping kayfabe outside the ring.

Don't think it was ever addressed unless it's "long time storytelling" Orton is young and becomes the youngest champion to have his friends turn on him. After this we would see him team up and eventually turn on and we start getting Viper Randy. Is Evolution turning on him what drove him to be as ruthless as we've seen?

After BTE aired there was no Dark Order bit to be found.

Alex Reynolds gave a brief description why. Check Hangman and Colt's replies for more info on what could've been.

https://twitter.com/YTAlexReynolds/status/1404507542995279872

Some stupid ideas where thrown around and a few jokes were made at V's expense and it seems he's had enough of it all.

https://twitter.com/Alan_V_Angels/status/1404531665402224640

Claiming he is done with BTE and is only going to show up in Sammy's Vlog from now on.

I just want to applaud the talent we get so much extra content for free and these kayfabe Twitter feuds are always so good. Even though Sammy's Vlog and BTE have no real continuity with the main shows they've really taken a life of their own.

Back in the 90s, when I was a kid, I thought wrestling was real and since my parents weren't wrestling fans, but they let me watch it anyways, they didn't tell me wrestling was staged, and because I didn't know about kayfabe until I was 13, wrestling for me back then was magical because I thought it was real, I was terrified of the Undertaker and Kane, I hated Vince McMahon, I loved Austin and the Rock, and this is the reason why the Attitude Era was the best for me, because I totally believed it, that was until I got older and was told that wrestling was staged, but by that time, I was old enough to handle that truth.

So, would telling your child that wrestling is staged ruin it for them? Would you tell them or wait for them to figure it out on their own?

So I expect this to be downvoted or not go over well, but lately I’ve been noticing something with MJF that has been genuinely annoying me.

A few weeks back some controversy broke out over wrestlers using work from artists and not crediting them. MJF seeing the controversy decided to do jump in on this and posted several pictures, and when people told him to credit the artist because it impacts their income and professional life, he simply said “no”.

And while I immediately had issues with that, I noticed a ton of fans support him saying things like “it’s good to see someone stuck to kayfabe” and “if you do art of MJF you know what to expect” and using kayfabe as a reason to cheer this guy who is going out of his way not to support those who support him.

My biggest issue here is pro wrestlers are independent contractors and if anyone on the planet should know how these artists feels when they get stumped on their hard work, it should be pro fucking wrestlers. Any pro wrestler who refuses to credit an artist comes across like a massive hypocrite, because all of them have at one point been that “struggling artist”. An artists income is more important than maintaining kayfabe over fucking Twitter of all places. You wanna maintain kayfabe in the ring or on Tv, I get that. You wanna try and maintain kayfabe 24/7 on social media while blending in your own personal life, well be ready for that to to have complications.

In the past we have seen MJF always stay in character to the point where he is giving the finger to children and usually just being a prick. I don’t really care too much, but my biggest issue here is MJF and his fans are using the same excuse any asshole on the street would use when they say something disrespectful or hurtful and follow it up with “just kidding”. It’s a fucking cowardly cop out that allows someone to keep being a needless prick.

The only reason I’m bringing this up now is because when MJF does break character on Twitter, he just chooses to do so only to his own personal benefit, like today with the comment on Jewish hate crimes(https://mobile.twitter.com/home). And yes I get it, that is more important that artists being credited, but it is still important on some level and it’s their personal income that MJF is affecting when he decides kayfabe is important that day. And it seems like that decision is only done differently if something is personally affecting him.

TDLR; MJF and his fans use “kayfabe” the same way any generic

Alright, this week let's say that all wrestlers with kayfabe magic/mystical powers legitimately have their powers and use them to their full extent in matches without fear of disqualification or repercussions from the law. All kayfabe mystical feats in and out of the ring are fair game in determining power. Who comes out on top as wrestlings most powerful mystic.

Some Examples:

Undertaker is really an undead necromancer.
Papa Shango has command of Voodoo.
Abadon is an actual Zombie
Evil is actually kinda evil.
Kris Statlander is a real life alien
Lucha Underground turns out to be a documentary. All mystical feats from their roster and their backstories are fair game.
Feats and mystical feats from DDT are also fair game.
Gangrel is a real life vampire
Kane says fuck it and starts torching everyone.
Bray Wyatt's cult and who they worship are real.
The Yeti is a reanimated mummy.
The Ultimate Warriors promos are prophecies that will come true.
Glacier is actually from the Mortal Kombat universe (I want to believe)

Make this discussion as dumb as possible.

I always wondered about the exact theoretical "power level" of Dolph Ziggler. He seems to be reliably the most skilled and upwardly mobile guy who is still technically a midcarder, where as I'd consider Miz to be a very low-tier main eventer whose smarts and sneakiness cement his position.

Orton, however, is the ideal main eventer, because you could see him beating anybody or losing to anybody. Dude might randomly eat a finisher from a midcarder in 3 minutes. Or he might randomly become Universal Champion and then beat the Fiend twice. You literally never know.

So, in your estimation, if Orton and Ziggler were to fight 100 times, what would be the ratio of pins, submissions, DQs, and count outs? Obvious Orton would dominate, but by how much? You can roughly guesstimate or incorporate any variables you think would help make your guess more accurate.

Ok, I saw the other thread...and I had to make the opposite version of it.

I am very interested in seeing if and which heels you liked when you were younger.

Hard mode: No nWo/DX if you were a teenager during that era :D

And I guess as bonus "what faced did you dislike" when you were younger and believed in kayfabe?

I didn't make this the title, cause wrestling, just like many other sports generally leads to you hating the guy on top.

I've seen many people that grew up in that era say they hated Hogan as a kid cause he was using many heelish tactics and he always won.

And that makes sense, cause let's face it, many people in "real" sports hate dominant athletes like Brady, LeBron, Kobe, Golden State Warriors, Schumacher, Connor etc etc

And just like "real" sports, once these athletes get older....everyone starts to turn back on them (same thing with Cena's last few years, HHH's last few years, HBK's return in 2000s, Hogan's return and title win over HHH...)

But yeah, the point here is...which heels you genuinely liked or thought were cool or..whatever, despite the fact you thought everything was real?

This week let's figure out which submission holds are a cut above all and see which is kayfabe the best. Holds that are rarely broken (without rope assistance), holds brought out for special occasions, holds that have made the untappable either tap or pass out.

Personally I think submission holds are in kind of a weird spot in modern wrestling. While most wrestlers do have a hold in their back pocket, they almost never are able to finish matches with them. This is to the point where I am surprised whenever anyone wins with a submission.

There are exceptions obviously, even recent examples: Zack Sabre jr matches are centered around him being able to make you tap (or get covered) at any point in a match, WALTER and Samoa Joe with their rear naked choke also come to mind. I think Kurt Angles Ankle Lock was at one point in the upper tiers as well

So aside from Jericho putting you in the Walls of Jericho on top of the announce table. Which holds will make anyone tap or pass out even when the stakes are at their highest?

For me personally, I'd say my top 3 heels were CM Punk, Vince McMahon, and Seth Rollins.

I dont think I've ever hated anyone in general as much as I hated Cm Punk in 2009 when he feuded with Jeff Hardy. He made me go to bed crying when he got Jeff Hardy fired and later came out as him. I was 8 at the time.

With Vince it was definitely his feud with Shawn when he made fun of god. I was raised in a very catholic household and I thought Vince was the devil. Now it's some of my favorite work in wrestling, that segment in the church is hilarious.

And with Seth Rollins, his turn on the Shield was the last time I was genuinely angry at a heel and wanted them to get their ass beat. The initial turn, the mitb win, and the wins over my favorite wrestler at the time Dean Ambrose (LMAO cause I can't stand Moxley nowadays) got me so heated. Then their was the heist of the century which is universally loved but I fucking hated it and was so pissed Roman didn't win the title. I basically quit wrestling right then and didnt come back fully until Wrestlemania 36. I was 13/14 at that time and knew wrestling wasn't real but that was it, I didnt know shit about wrestling terms or backstage stuff so kayfabe was still alive for the most part.

Following up to my "strongest kayfabe wrestler" question.

What is kayfabe the most powerful finisher. Finishers that have a next to 0% kickouts, super finishers only busted out for special occasions, and submission holds.

I think the obvious top answer is the Kenta Kobashi's Burning Hammer. For modern times let's say One-Winged Angel since it is currently being hyped up as a finisher only one person has ever kicked out of. Also has anyone ever kicked out of Randy Ortons Punt?

For simplicity sake, let's keep it to finishers without the addition of weapons. For instance, no 3D through a table, one man conchairto or submissions with weapon assistants

edit

These are fun. Will probably create a new kayfabe power question every week as long as I can think of more dumb topics.

Before he was demonic, leader of The Ministry of Darkness, disappeared for a while and came back as a biker.

Obviously it was an extension of his real life personality, but in kayfabe, what made the lord of darkness suddenly decide "damn man I really fucking love motorcycles" and go full bike enthusiast?

In the Pro Wrestling Cinematic Universe (let's call it that for now lol) we see Wrestling companies like WWE, TNA/Impact, and AEW talk about MMA and Boxing via references or some Wrestlers being real fighters outside kayfabe. So I think it's safe to assume MMA or Boxing or any other fighting combat sport exists in the WWE/Pro Wrestling Universe.

So back to my question. How do other fighting organizations react to Pro Wrestling?

Since this is Kayfabe the wrestlers are automatically superhumans by default. Because no human can pull off the shit the wrestlers can do. With some actually having supernatural powers like the Undertaker and Kane. The WWE Wrestlers are peak humans on the same level as Marvel/DC peak humans or Kengan Ashura peak humans. They scaled to characters like Comic Captain America, Comic Batman, DBZ Hercule, and Movies Bruce Lee.

So how do combat sports like MMA or Boxing react to a combat sport that has superhumans participating in it?

Do MMA and Boxing companies lose popularity because the Wrestlers are more entertaining because they are Superhumans?

Are people more interested in seeing Superhumans fights than wasting money on a 10 second MMA or Boxing Match?

Are the MMA Fighters and Boxer Superhuman in the Pro Wrestling universe too? (To explain why this form of combat still exist in the Kayfabe Pro Wrestling Universe)

Why do Pro Wrestling companies choose to have pinfalls rather than having knockouts or TKOs?

In general, how does Kayfabe WWE view UFC?

I was just thinking that a really cool podcast or radio show would be a announcer crew that discuss matches in real tine without kayfabe elements. They just discuss the moves and psychology behind the match and give insight into the actual craft of professional wrestling. I thought that might be pretty cool. If something exists like this please enlighten me.

For me it was No Way Out 2001. I was ten years old watching the 2/3 falls match. Triple H vs Stone Cold. During the final fall, a steel cage match, my dad started laughing and said "He's got a blade!"

I was confused and my dad told me Triple H just put the blade back in his trunks.

"But why would he cut himself?" "Oh. You don't still think this is real, do you? This is all planned out."

It really opened my eyes at the time lol.

In my opinion, of course.

Let's use the example of KO using the stunner. Simply put, Stone Cold has it perfected and it's way more effective when he does it. Hell, Darby has to flip over his opponent to hit it, and it will always get a 2.

When you accept this, it's as reasonable as an Irish whip.

Pick these two because they are the Gods of the destruction of their Universes.

I don't know how many Baki fans are Pro Wrestling fans. But I assume you know what Kayfabe is. Because Pro Wrestling is real in the Baki Verse. But if you don't.

Kayfabe is when wrestling fans take the sport seriously as fictional verse. In this post, I'm taking all the superhuman feats WWE wrestlers can do seriously. So yes Undertaker is an Undead Wizard.

Here's his respect thread.

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/6243eo/respect_the_deadman_the_undertaker_wwe/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

I have a feeling this fight would be a great fight.

The fight takes place in Baki world. With Baki Match rules. Who wins?

Hey everybody,

The latest episode of Making Kayfabe is available now! This week, we look into a glaringly obvious storyline that could have come from Titus O'Neil's suspension in 2016.

Yes, if you remember, that's the suspension Titus got for lightly tugging on Mr. McMahon's arm at Daniel Bryan's retirement ceremony. For this, he was suspended for longer than some who were caught by WWE's drug policy. We thought there's gotta be a story there, so we wrote one!

If you haven't heard of our show before, we're Making Kayfabe, and we... make kayfabe. We’re writers, we’re comedians, but the most important thing is that we are wrasslin' fans.

Every week we answer "What If." And let's be honest, in the pro wrestling world, there are plenty of those. This week it's the Titus O'Neil, but in our back catalogue are 30+ other re-bookings, like;

• "What If" Vince McMahon's exploding limo storyline continued?
• "What If" the NWO's ventures in the WWF weren't deemed a total failure?
• "What If" it wasn't Baron Corbin who retired Kurt Angle?
• "What If" WWE turned John Cena heel in 2012?
• and "What If" The ECW Zombie became a featured star on WWECW programming? (no, seriously, this is an episode)

We have a lot of fun, and we'd love for you to join us for the ride.

If you're even the tiniest bit interested, you can check out Titus O'Neil and all of our other episodes by searching "Making Kayfabe" on any podcast app, YouTube, or just clicky-clicky here: kite.link/makingkayfabe

Cheers friends!

Bryce @ Making Kayfabe

Was it ever acknowledged in kayfabe that Viscera/Big Daddy V was previously Mabel, a former King of the Ring winner?

I know Viscera became Big Daddy V after being drafted to ECW and so in kayfabe they are one in the same, but I can't recall if his history as Mabel carried over to that persona.

If we were to take the kayfabe (and maybe some back office politicking) best wrestlers ever and put them in a G1 style tournament, who would come out on top as the winner? Here are some suggested entrants:

Undertaker when the streak is on the line
Super Cena
Reign of terror Triple H
Hulk Hogan at peak Hulkamania levels
WALTER current NXT UK title reign
Kenta Kobashi with Burning Hammer activated
Bruno Sammartino in the middle of his 7 year reign
Goldberg about 3/4 of the way through his WCW streak.
Okada when defending the IWGP title at Wrestlekingdom
Demon Finn Balor
Broke Lesnar Suplex City Era
Misawa when headlining Budokan
Roman Reigns Babyface push post Shield

Here let's add some shitpost entrants:

Hollywood Hulk Hogan with the NWO running ample interference.
Kevin Nash booking his own matches in WCW.
G1 Yano
Jeff Jarret during his TNA champion runs
Headcanon Virgil.
The Fiend with max no selling activated.
Post promo Ultimate Warrior.

This list is limited. Need more suggestions.

Hey everybody,

Making Kayfabe is back for another episode and well... we're going a slightly different direction this week. We're re-booking the AFTERMATH of the ZOMBIE LUMBERJACK MATCH.

What can we even say about this? It was a mystic mess from start-to-finish, but became infamous (in our view) when WWE didn't bother to write any follow-up to it, showing that it really was a massive waste of everyone's time. We reckon that if WWE stuck to their guns and actually followed-up on this match with some kind of storyline, it might not be quite as infamous. That's what we're doing this week, as we tackle writing an original storyline for the Zombie Lumberjack fallout.

If you haven't heard of our show before, we're Making Kayfabe, and we... make kayfabe. We’re writers, we’re comedians, but the most important thing is that we are wrasslin' fans.

Every week we answer "What If." And let's be honest, in the pro wrestling world, there are plenty of those. This week it's the Zombie Lumberjacks, but in our back catalogue are 30+ other re-bookings, like;

• "What If" Vince McMahon's exploding limo storyline continued?
• "What If" the NWO's ventures in the WWF weren't deemed a total failure?
• "What If" it wasn't Baron Corbin who retired Kurt Angle?
• "What If" WWE turned John Cena heel in 2012?
• and "What If" The ECW Zombie became a featured star on WWECW programming? (we fucking love zombies tbh)

We have a lot of fun, and we'd love for you to join us for the ride.

If you're even the tiniest bit interested, you can check out Zombie Lumberjacks and all of our other episodes by searching "Making Kayfabe" on any podcast app, YouTube, or just clicky-clicky here: kite.link/makingkayfabe

Cheers friends!

Bryce @ Making Kayfabe