Groveler Puns

I have an opportunity to purchase a board in great condition for a good price, but I've never ridden anything like it before so curious if you guys (and gals) have any feedback.

Dims are 5'10 x 20 3/8 x 2 5/8 33L, which is pretty much ideal for a groveler. The board is stubby with plenty of foam under the chest.

But it's a straight up pintail, not even rounded pintail. Think the CI Pintail Twin. It only has 3 fin boxes, which means I can't ride it as a quad, so it's either a twin or 2+1, not sure a thruster setup would make sense.

Does anyone have any experience with these type of boards? What is a rounded pintail groveler?

Appreciate all feedback and thoughts 🙏

I'm 6'4" 190llbs (1.93m, 86kg). Been surfing for 4 years. Normally just ride cookie cutter thrusters. Working on fast dynamic stuff right now. Can get the fins out if I'm lucky.

Anyway, getting pretty annoyed with my boards when conditions are weak. I'll take my gf's log into really fat waves, but I will always prefer a smaller board.

Not really looking for a specific model, keen to get something shaped this time. More looking for recs on what I should be looking for. I know I want something short and flat but that's about it. Any tall people out there who love their groveler?

I moved from CA to IL last year, and have been surfing Lake Michigan since I got here (it's been a lot more fun than I thought it would be tbh). Usually I ride a Lost Rocket clone, and it does well in anything waist high and up, even super weak weird lake slop. Any smaller than that and I end up sinking/bogging in flatter sections a lot and it's not super fun.

Problem is it's waist high and below pretty often here and I usually just don't go out. I'm interested in picking up a groveler that will be fun in the teeniest crappiest of conditions. But I'm having a hard time navigating though all the "grovelers" that claim to "also work well in head high+" - I just want the very bottom end, already got an all-rounder type board for everything else.

Any recommendations? I want something that is still on the pivoty/performance side rather than a super straight railed fishy outline. The Baked Potato / Twice Baked looks interesting to me. Have heard that Puddle Jumpers need a little juice to come alive, but have always been curious.

I ride my pyzel gremlin for almost anything up to shoulder high…it’s 35 liters and I’m 160 pounds.

Does great in soft waves, but on pitchy waves it kinda pushes me off the wave and I have to airdrop it.

Does this happen to anyone else?

My current choice for average / poor conditions is a soft 7’. A little more performance-y than a wavestorm i.e. domed deck, squashed round tail, low entry and exit rocker, tapered rails. It works well in anything up to headhigh, even in more hollow conditions. But I tend to only use it for the worse end of conditions, as well as smaller days when I need help paddling into weaker waves

About me: intermediate surfer, typically only getting out on weekends. Not a vertical surfer, so not doing big, aggressive manoeuvres

Is it worth adding a true groveler (eg Baked Potato) to my quiver? I like the idea of having a shorter board, but don’t know if it would be worth doing - eg will it help increase my skills development and will I have more fun?

My daily driver is a 5’8 Bourton Twinzaa and I use a 6’2 DMS Popo for the bigger/ hollower end of conditions I face

Hi. I just got a rocket wide from Channel Islands. I am looking for a good set of fins for the board. I will be riding the board in 1-4 foot waves that are weak to semi powerful. Any suggestions? Also, No price limit.

Does anyone have any reccos for a super mushy waves Groveler? that are tough to get into on a shortboard? I'm 5'9 170lb. I'll do okay for a bit on my 5'6 FW Seaside, but it definitely is limiting and super tiring. I'm not looking for a mid-length and already have the Wavestorm as a backup.

Was thinking of a bigger CI OG flyer??

Any advice would be much appreciated.

5'10" and 230. Been surfing nearly daily for a little over a year now. Decades of prior snowboard and skateboard experience actually shredding. I primarily ride an 8'6" or a 7'11", both quads. Pretty fun, fairly loose due to more forward than usual fin placement but still stiff at times. I ride in Ventura a lot and am often at surfers point/c street, mondo's when it gets bigger, Ricon on small medium weekdays (too crowded if big or weekend).

I consider myself a novice. I can catch waves a plenty, bottom turn, float, pump down the line, even starting to get some cutbacks against the whitewater and bouncing back into the green. That said for every wave I nail a bunch of rad stuff on there are several prior to it where I did something absolutely silly... So I'm a novice at best. Plus I got a computer job so my fitness isn't what it used to be.

I think I'd like to shred a smaller board, as the increased maneuverability of going from 8'6" to 7'11" has been good, the 7'11 is so flat that the nose is always a bit precarious in steeper wave,s or choppier conditions.

I rented a 6'4" firewire sweet potato and I dig that concept. Shorter board, big 58l volume. It wasn't a great day that I took it out on (2 foot waves, crowds) but I caught a few and had some fun. Great so get the board you liked! Only problem is they stopped making that board a decade ago and the new ones are 6-8 liters less volume... Bummer.

Any shorter board recommendations for those around my build , who want to just shred average 2-5 fit conditions?

I'm looking at this in 6'7": https://www.jk-surfboards.com/product-page/6ft-3in-6ft-7in-the-bob-big-boy-surfboard

Also considering the Walden mini mega but that's 6'10" and 68L! Seems monstrous but would catch a ton? Seems like something between a groveler and a shortboard that I can take out in the average surf I like to shred.

Looking for a travel bag for short boards (6'0") as well as a 5'7" Lost Puddle Jumper. Want something not too narrow for the groveler and good quality.

Looking at dakine, creatures, fcs etc.

Hello all reddit surfers. I need a new groveler because mine is getting too small for me, so I was wondering if you guys had any suggestions. I’m really looking for something for tiny and small waves with a lot of volume, but is still short. I’ve heard the baked potato is pretty good but I wanna see what other suggestions people have.

Hello,

I was thinking about buying a groveler but I was worried about potential overlaps in my quiver. These are the shorts I have...

• 6'5 odysea mayhem
• 5'8 tomo vanguard
• 5'7 seaside

I'm thinking about adding a groveler in there. I thought the seaside would be a good groveler but from my experience, I've found that I actually need some power behind the waves. I found the same for the tomo as well. The mayhem has been great for riding crappy waves but I want something shorter in length as well. I also had a 6'8 fish which I really enjoyed but sold because of the overlap with the mayhem.

I found a really interesting 5'7 mini-simmons with around 40l in volume and was wondering if you fine ladies and gentleman think it doesn't really add much to my quiver considering what I have already. I had a blast on a mini-simmons I used to rent out and found it very easy to catch (even the mushiest) waves with and a joy to ride but I also just only recently got the seaside and tomo and was wondering if it's just my inexperience with the boards themselves that are contributing to my impression of what types of waves are needed. I'm also wondering if I should branch out to something else since as a trend I'm noticing with my shortboards is flatter rockers.

EDIT: Ahhhh fuck. Too late. New board incoming.

I have some friends looking to transition from 7- 8 ft glass boards to something shorter. I was thinking they should go for an egg like shape somewhere in the six foot range, but there aren't too many used options. I have the opinion that over-sized shortboards and grovelers are overrated as transition boards because these boards are designed to be ridden at the correct volume so over-sizing them can make it too clunky to turn and it removes the reason why you should get a shortboard...which wouldn't happen with a mid length shape. Then there's also the factor that you would grow out of an over-sized shortboard but a mid-length always has a potential spot in a quiver.

So my question is do you think over-sized grovelers/shortboards are okay for transition boards? or is an actual mid length shape like an egg significantly better? I haven't actually surfed an over-sized surfboard so I just want to see if I am talking out of my ass.

Looking for a groveler as its missing from my quiver. Some shops are having some sales around here. I found this HIC mini olo and it looks pretty fun im just not sure how to size it. My Standard shortboard is 5’10 x 19 x 2.38. I was thinking the 5’6 maybe even 5’8 as a super groveler for when i hit up waikiki with the SO and dont wanna lug around a wavestorm. Is it basically a modified mini simmons? Or am i supposed to size it a little bigger.

I surf north LA so a lot of mushy point breaks. I’m around 200-210, boards normally around 37-40L. I can Surf pretty much whatever in even the smallest of beach breaks but am brainstorming on something that will work even in tiny mushy points. I totally Realize that nothing is better than a log on tiny Days but I’m looking for the next best thing that’s 6’4 or (potentially much) shorter. I dont Need this board to perform in a wide range of conditions, it’d be for super small waves only, something that keep me going in tiny waves and hopefully not be a total dog. I’ve been going nuts having to ride my log so much

Any suggestions? I know oversized groveler shapes are frowned upon but that’s the only thing I caN think of

**TL;DR:**Right now i am want to start with buying my daily/groveler to start 3 quiver setup and will be surfing in San Diego. What do you think i should buy as my main everyday board to surf 2-4ft?

About me, i have been surfing for 6 years, 23 year old, 135lbs(62kg), 5ft11in(180cm). I usually surf 1-2x a week, decent fitness and would say i am at an intermediate level of surfing.

I am in the market for a new board and i want a daily driver, a board i will surf 70% of the time. I surf in North los angeles area but will be moving down to san Diego soon. Don't really know the surf around there too much but seems similar to what i currently surf. I am looking to setup a 3 board quiver comprising of Funboard/Lonboard for worse days/lazy days 1-2ft, Groveler/daily for average 2-4ft surf and high performance board for the good swells 3-4ft+ days.

Right now i am want to start with buying my daily/groveler. i am currently riding a 2012 LOST The Stealth 5"11x19.13x2.32@28L and it does great for a daily. I wouldn't mind getting something similar but with a little more focus on small waves performance.

Here is my list so far in no particular order:

Channel Islands Ultra Joe - Lost Puddle Jumper - Rusty Smoothie - JS Industries Blak Box 2 - Pyzel – Phantom.

So far my choice would be a Lost Puddle Jumper round pin tail 5'5"X20.35X2.35 28.76L as there is a good deal for one right now. This will be the quiver i use for a few years i hope so want to make good choices!

What is your advise or experience with this? Any boards you think i should get? What would your 3 boards be?

Help recommend me a board please, I'm stuck in a weird spot with my surfing, I think lots of intermediates can relate.

I'm 28, 5'9, 140 pounds, average fitness, surf primarily in the New York/broader northeast, a mix of beach breaks and some points.

I'm coming off a 6'3 Fourth Chili Bean (around 37L) that I bought three years ago to transition from a foam board.

I got the board because I'm mostly surfing fatter, mushier waves with a 4/3 or a 5/4 in the winter and lots of crowds, and I wanted something shorter than a foamie that could keep my wave count high.

I'm at the point now where I know the local spots I surf really well and can compete with much more advanced surfers and get 10/10 waves I try for. The board is now feeling gargantuan and performance is much more of an issue than wave count.

At this point, I'm able to do most basic maneuvers, bottom turns with speed, top turns, cutbacks on my forehand and backhand, and I'm starting to play around with little snaps and floaters and really using my rails, but I think the board I'm on is just way too big for me.

I'm looking for a new daily driver board, something that I'll surf from punchy low tide waist high to the very occasional overhead + and hollow. I'm keeping my chili bean for the grovel days and I tap out generally around overhead and half, which is pretty rare anyways here. My goal is to progress my surfing but not get on something too challenging since I often surf in subpar conditions.

I'm thinking a fishier hybrid, but I'm also wondering if a more grovel shape could work as my good wave board. I also am thinking quad to help me get speed on the fatter waves I usually surf.

Some options: Pyzel Astro Pop, Pyzel Gremlin, Panda Cicada, Panda Shrizz, Seaside, hypto krypto (though I'm not stoked on popouts), maybe a Neckbeard 2 or an Ultra Joe.

I'm kinda looking for something under 20" wide - preferably under 19.5 — and around 28-30L, and maybe a bit of rocker to make steeper drops and tuck under some lips. But please give me some advice if that'll be too much of a transition from what I'm on or I should be looking at different dimensions.

Very confused with all the options out there and there aren't many local shapers in my area.

First post here. Been surfing a 7’6 super fish 3 in San Diego and Orange County but getting pretty board of that in between size. Small waves like 1-4 feet usually. Beginner/intermediate more toward beginner. Surfed 12 years ago for a little and just starting up again. Have plenty of time and wanna play on a shorter board. I find plenty of open spots where nobody is around too. Any thoughts on which to go for.

Flying manta and Chilli are same price and great condition. Puddle jumper is $60 more and a little more beat. I’m 24, 5’10, 165-170 pounds ish. In decent shape. I think I’d like to make my way up to bigger waves but I don’t have to do it with these boards when the time comes, I can just get a different one if none of these are suitable. Appreciate any opinions

Keep in mind that I tend to go slightly higher in volume as the waves at my local break aren't the steepest or most fierce.

I ride my shortboard or step up on the big summer days and during winter but on the more melow days I'm usually on my minimal or longboard, could do with something a bit more high performance on those days.

So I’m surfing a 6.6 x 21 x 3 board and I’m 6.2 / 72kgs.

On mellow waves I have no issue at all. In fact I can catch a lot more waves than others.

However once the waves start to get bigger and more powerful (small makeable tubes kinda ones), I have a hard time catching the waves. I feel like I’m getting stuck at the top of the wave, before getting projected down the wave where I can’t get any speed when I popup.

Any thoughts? Should I move to a smaller board for these waves? I’ve been surfing for 1.5 years. I don’t want to rush things.

Hi I am looking to buy a groveler and wanna know how big I should get it. I am about 5’7” and 155 lbs. My shortboard is 5’7” and 26.5 liters. I’m currently looking at a CI Hoglet that is 5’4” and 29.5 liters. Do you think this is enough volume to surf on smaller days around 2-3 feet?

Context. I work in an inner city ED and was on triage that morning. Waiting room is packed. 50 minute wait for triage. I come out of my room to give the healthcare assistant my blood cards.

Patient on the corridor: I've not eaten and I really want some toast, can you make me some?

Me: I'm sorry but I cant do that atm, I've got a lot of patients to triage and I cant leave it unmanned.

Patient: asks me literally the same thing as if I'd never spoken

Me: like I said, I'm sorry, I cant do that because I need to continue traiging.

I continue with triage. 10 mins later, nurse in charge (NIC) bursts in.

NIC: you need to apologise to that patient on the corridor.

Me: excuse me? What for? Because I couldnt make her some toast? I wasnt rude

NIC: she didnt like the way you said it, you need to apologise.

Me: I've done nothing wrong. I will not grovel to a patient over toast. This discussion isnt worthy of our time

NIC: she's crying and asked her mum to fetch her home

Me: she's an adult, that's her choice. I've done nothing wrong and I will not apologise. If you want to debase yourself for toast, you're welcome to.

Why are we expected to grovel to a patient over a bit of toast? Why should I apologise because she wanted toast immediately and I was not able.to do it? I cannot stomach that level of servility. I'm beginning to think vocation is toxic AF and its shafting us all

So I have a Roberts Mutant that I'm struggling to find a good fin setup for.

I've got a set of Naked Viking JL quads in mediums in there right now. I've also ran it as a sort of thruster with a small trailer fin in the center. Feels fun and fast going down the line as a quad, it just feels stiff to me going more vertical/trying to surf in the pocket (maybe cause I never ride quads). It seems a little draggy with the thruster set in though, maybe cause of the double concave.

Problem is the fin boxes are futures and all my other boards are fcs, so I don't have much to experiment with.

Was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for a new fin set I can try? Either if you've got a Mutant or another kind of hybrid groveler. Thinking of either another quad set or a thruster/twin with a smaller center fin.

So I've been thinking. I'm still new to surfing (1.5 years)- I can go down the line and pump for speed. I'm 5'10 225 lbs and I surf a 6'2 46 liter puddle jumper. Being that the board is longer than me, I feel like the sweet spot for paddling is further away from the nose than it would be if the board were say 5'10 or 5'9. I feel like a lot of the times when I'm trying to get into a wave I almost have to wiggle myself up towards the nose of the board as I'm paddling so more weight will be distributed forward helping me get down the face. Sometimes that doesn't always work out. I feel like if my board were shorter, though less voluminous, it would actually be easier to get into waves even though it would be harder to paddle. I would have more of my weight up front and more room in the back for my legs to kick. Does that make sense? As I'm getting better, I'm wondering if it might be a good idea to downsize board.

My surf background consists of riding logs on mushy reforms on Big Island HI. Been doing that for a few weeks every December for several years now. I've got a surf trip to So-Cal coming up so I'm in the market for my first board. I'm trying to buy used, but I live in Vancouver so selection is pretty minimal. First and foremost I'm looking for something that will paddle/float well and get me into waves. How it performs afterwards is less of a concern, I'm not skilled enough to pick out subtle nuances in different boards. (I'd love if I can still ride the board during Tofino Summers.)

I'm 25 years old and fairly fit, 5'6 and 140lbs, volume tells me I should be aiming around the 31L mark. Currently looking at a Ci High-5 or an Aftanas Bob. If neither of those boards would cut it, I would consider getting something down south, in which case I'd open up to getting something from this list as well.

Lost - Puddle Fish Lost - Round Nose Fish Firefire X Machado - Go Fish Chilli - Miami Spice Channel Islands - Pod Mod Channel Island - High 5 Channel Islands - Average JoeAftanas - Bob HS - Hypto Krpto

I'm new to this Reddit, so if there's a better place to ask a question like this, please let me know and I'll head over that-a-ways.

I'm trying to figure out a good way to not explode when Compiling a large (say Force 10-12) Sprite as a near char-gen 5E Technomancer. (With the goal of then Registering it and making it a Technoshaman Pet, which are both less dangerous since you get the Stun part of your condition bar.)

.1) At base, the problem is that a large Sprite will resist with its Force in dice, and can occasionally get lucky and generate, say, 8 successes for 16 Physical DV. Technoshamen get -2 DV for Compiling, Guardian Sprites can Shield for -1 DV, but even as a Dwarf you have 8 Willpower, +1 for using Zen, 6 Resonance, and 6 Edge for 21 dice. Expected value is like 10 (with 6s again), so you're in not bad shape here, but if you're unlucky and only net 5 successes, you're really close to dead with 8 boxes of damage. And if things go a little worse for you, death seems possible. Are there additional angles for making the compiling Fade test better that I'm missing?

The two massive workarounds that I see are Sacrifice and Groveler.

.2) Sacrifice, on p. 93 of Kill Code says, " Things have to be going very badly for a sprite to be willing to use the Sacrifice power. The sprite spends a Free Action accumulating Resonance and then infuses a target persona with all of that energy. Doing so causes the target to heal all of its Matrix Condition monitor. Moreover, when the Sacrifice power is used, the target is flooded with Resonance energy, which re-routes and optimizes subroutines, creates redundancy in code, and generally makes the target substantially more effective in all ways. In addition to healing the Matrix Condition Monitor, the target receives a bonus to all Matrix Attributes equal to half the sprite’s level (rounded up) for a number of Combat Turns equal to the sprite’s level; and finally, the target takes no damage during the Combat Turn that the sprite uses this power. " a) Do Sprites actually have any volition? Are there times you can't make them use this Sacrifice power per the first sentence? b) Does the damage blocking clause apply to Fade damage that turn? It's pretty clear the intent is to stop and heal Matrix-based damage, but does Fade come from outside or within? c) Can you do this pre-emptively and then summon a Sprite and have the Fade be blocked?

.3) Groveler, on p.