Documentary Hypothesis Divisions (and Baden on Friedman)

During Baden's recent Yale Bible Study session for Exodus, I asked a quick question about Friedman's literary breakdown and his personal recommendations. This may be documented elsewhere I have yet to find, but I thought it was worth pinning down: evidently, he's not a fan of Friedman's popular work (The Bible with Sources Revealed) and cannot endorse any current full-length publications (either for accuracy or usability).

From the follow-up mass email (Jan 20, 2022):

>Question: Are there any publications that identify the full JEDP texts particularly well? (And are there any to avoid?)
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>There are plenty to avoid – sorry to say, including Richard Friedman’s, which are the most popular and accessible. At this moment, there aren’t any recent publications that provide the full breakdown in a way I’d be satisfied with. My book (Composition of the Pentateuch) does some but not all of this kind of work. My hope is that we’ll have something out there in the not-too-distant future…

Last April, Baden also posed a question on Twitter about setting up a website with his own divisions, but I have not seen any follow-up on this (and last week he vocally dodged an Exodus Q/A question about publishing his own edition).

From Twitter (April 15, 2021):

>[...] Would people out there be interested in a website that contained the (my) source-critical breakdown of the entire Pentateuch? With the capacity to read each of the sources individually?
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>And maybe with a comment feature to allow visitors to ask questions or pose alternatives? And maybe with a track changes feature so you can see when and where I’ve changed my mind? And maybe with occasional commentary from me on why I think a passage belongs to a given source?
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>Follow-up: I haven’t the slightest idea how to actually build or design such a site. So...anyone out there know how, or know someone who does? It *seems* like it would be simple, but I don’t really know. I can picture what it would look like...

So, hopefully he'll be releasing something relatively soon. He sees a need, and he's made inquiries.

Relatedly, this does make me wonder...

  1. if other folks have heard where his potential project might be at in development,
  2. if there are other such publications on the way; and
  3. who might be the other DH scholars he agrees with (apart from their unusa
... keep reading on reddit ➑

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Is there any scholarship out there that focuses on lost works referenced by the authors of the Tanakh / connects these with the Documentary hypothesis? [etc. ,Χ‘Φ΅Χ€ΦΆΧ¨ הַיׇּשׇׁר, Χ‘Φ΅Χ€ΦΆΧ¨ ΧžΦ΄ΧœΦ°Χ—Φ²ΧžΦΉΧͺ Χ™Χ”Χ•Χ” ,E.g.]
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Is the Documentary Hypothesis still widely accepted? What are the best books on the current state of this scholarship?
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LDS employee admits problem with Book of Mormon documentary hypothesis vm.tiktok.com/ZMdTUnvBE/
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Actually in regard to documentary hypothesis. Do you think from a mere reading of the Chumash even lay people can arrive to the conclusion that the Chumash as we know it today is the result of multiple scholarship and not just Moshe himself ?
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Color-coded Documentary Hypothesis Torah

Hi, I was going to ask for an edition of the Torah which color-codes the sources of the Documentary Hypothesis here. (I'm aware of The Bible with Sources Revealed but for some unexplicable reason, it choses basically four diferent tones of blue-greenish which I have trouble differentiating.) But I've found it exists on Wikipedia. What is super neat about is that it allows to read individual sources in isolation (e.g. P), which is what I want to do to see how they feel as independent texts). So in case you are not aware of it, here you go :)

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Biological Warfare and the Lab Leak Hypothesis (2021) Documentary investigates changing narrative in US mainstream media and sheds light on Israel’s refusal to sign bio weapons treaty [00:16:50] youtu.be/lGxaWH9So-s
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Documentary Hypothesis diagram
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Bokovoy claims the Documentary Hypothesis is misunderstood by writers of the interpreter.

The first in a series of counter claims Bokovoy will next go into implications for LDS scripture. Link

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Channel 4 Documentary about the lab leak hypothesis youtube.com/watch?v=S2sg_…
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Documentary/Supplementary Hypothesis Verses

Is there any papers or books which attempt to ascribe specific verses from the Pentateuch to specific sources and has these all listed out? Like for instance, is there a comprehensive list of which parts of Genesis are Yahwist versus Elohist, etc.?

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What exactly is the Documentary Hypothesis?

I’ve heard a lot of misinformation from Christian apologists, so I want to know what exactly the Documentary Hypothesis is and isn’t.

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Dr. Falk here gives three reasons for his opinion about the Documentary Hypothesis and the authorship of the Pentateuch youtube.com/watch?v=86JiC…
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Dr. Kipp Davis continues his series addressing pop-apologist Michael Jones and his lackluster understanding of source criticism generally and the Documentary Hypothesis particularly. youtube.com/watch?v=SdRJG…
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What is the current scholarly thought on the documentary hypothesis?

From what I have learned while browsing both this sub and /r/AcademicBiblical is that the documentary hypothesis (DH) has started to fall out of favor. What are the most common viewpoints on the DH in the scholarly community nowadays?

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Christopher Wright(evangelical Old Testament scholar) on why he's always found the JEDP(documentary hypothesis) not only anachronistic, but useless. Any thoughts? thegospelcoalition.org/bl…
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How do you believe in Jesus and the documentary hypothesis at the same time?

Question above, not rhetorical, genuinely curious. Personally a trinitarian universalist Christian, believes in Jesus’ life death and resurrection. How do you reconcile the historical unreliability and religious syncretism in the Old Testament to Jesus having been who he said he was?

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Apologetics and the Documentary Hypothesis: A Response, by David Bokovoy withoutend.org/apologetic…
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My intro to the documentary hypothesis and its relation to Noah's flood (begins at 2:15) youtu.be/VMIlqSeb_UM?t=13…
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Not All Nutsy-Boltsy-ETH β€” Interesting parallels between Vallee's latest 2 works. documentary "Witness of Another World" and book, "Trinity", that indicate the renowned researcher has not unexpectedly embraced ETH hypothesis and is still working within familiar patterns. 6degreesofjohnkeel.com/bl…
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Was the Documentary Hypothesis Tainted by Wellhausen's Antisemitism? thetorah.com/article/was-…
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Zero Calories - Five Days - 100 Miles Documentary / Full HD This is a health experiment, with medical testing, before, during and after, to see how metabolic flexibility truly works. The hypothesis is that when you turn off incoming food, if you are fat-adapted, you can run off burning your own fat. youtube.com/watch?v=ejnGM…
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Michael Heiser - The Documentary Hypothesis and Higher Criticism (Naked Bible Podcast) youtu.be/yq_iMIdc06E
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Are there alternatives to the Documentary Hypothesis for the Pentateuch? Are any of them compelling enough to challenge it?

I just bought the New Oxford annotated Bible and was curious about the above. Are there flaws to this theory that other theories have attempted to correct?

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Looking for some interesting texts (films, short stories/films, books, feature articles, documentaries etc.) that is related to Orwell's 1984 - specifically about the idea of the "Sapir-Whorf" hypothesis.

I recently discovered the Sapir Whorf Hypothesis and I was wondering if there are any other texts out there that do something like this because it doesn't seem to be an idea that is much explored in texts. I know of one other film - "Arrival" that explores this idea but I'm looking for something that is more related to 1984 as well, where an individual's human experience/collective expereince is explored in a semi-dystopic world.

I greatly appreciate any suggestions!

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Interesting 1976 UFO documentary with the paraphysical-intelligence hypothesis youtu.be/3jwIz23KLAE?t=21…
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Is the way of editing texts posited in the Documentary Hypothesis attested somewhere in ancient times?

Or the sometimes very complex redaction theorized a modern construct imposed to how people in antiquity dealt with sources?

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Assuming the documentary hypothesis is true, how would the Israelite community have reacted to the changes being made? Would they even be aware?

Hello - I'm not a scholar myself but I've always been interested in certain details surrounding the creation of the Torah/Old Testament. I've read that it was put together over hundreds of years by different groups of scribes. Considering that the document would be considered holy, how would the community react to these groups of scribes/elites constantly changing it? Would the average Israelite even be aware? What about the communities of scribes, judges, priests?

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Leonard Nimoy narrates this 21 minute 1978 documentary and brings on many experts and scientists explaining the prevailing hypothesis at the time that the world would be engulfed in a new ice age, complete with predictions that entire portions of the US would be covered in ice sheets in 30 years. youtu.be/zSDLRm3jhc8
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Resources on Documentary Hypothesis

Is there a resource out there which shows the change in suspected authors in Genesis? I have just begun looking into the JEDP sources and was hoping to find a list of passages ascribed to the assorted voices. Thanks in advance for any help!

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The Simulation Hypothesis Documentary youtube.com/watch?v=pznWo…
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ISO a book with the same hypothesis as *The 13th* documentary. The hypothesis being that the U.S.'s current criminal justice system is the progeny of the Jim Crow Era and slavery.
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Finding the Mountain of Moses: The Real Mount Sinai in Saudi Arabia [Interesting documentary that is in line with the North Arabia and/or Egypt hypothesis] youtube.com/watch?v=YjrxH…
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Does anyone know of an English language Bible or Pentateuch that has been arranged by source according to the Documentary Hypothesis?

I've been trying to find a copy of the Pentateuch that highlights which suspected source wrote each section. I'm not really looking for a book about the authorship of the Bible; I would prefer just a text that I can read for myself, but broken down by author. Does anyone know of such a version?

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I recently watched a documentary about everything that debunked the Diet-Heart Hypothesis, the thing that misled us to think cholesterol in food is bad for our health, and I believe one day we're gonna be making documentaries talking about how Social Constructivism on the Sexes was debunked.

I'm not comparing the two, I'm just saying that Social Constructivism is gonna get the same treatment eventually where every single one of its flaws and inaccuracies are gonna get publicized and generally looked upon as some stupid thing we used to believe.

The reason for that is because like the Diet-Heart Hypothesis, Social Constructivism has a lot of impact on how society is being run or maybe more accurately how people are trying to make society run.

You know, we used to be told to avoid cholesterol like the plague or at least think that we aren't doing ourselves favors by eating food rich in it but nowadays the Keto diet is extremely popular and that basically tells us to chug as much saturated fat and cholesterol as we can, not to put too fine a point on it. Also, the American Heart Association has now officially said that cholesterol is not a nutrient of concern for overconsumption.

Right now with Social Constructivism people are blaming a lot of the differences between men and women on upbringing instead of just acknowledging that we're simply different by nature and so there are currently pushes to get women to take on more roles that men typically take on and for men to take on roles that women typically take on.

But no matter how much some people want the number of men and women to be equally distributed throughout every field and to do away with gender roles, its just not gonna happen as long as free will exists and I believe the idea that it can happen just by raising kids differently and socializing people differently is gonna be debunked beyond a shadow of a doubt one day.

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According to articles cited by Wikipedia, the documentary hypothesis has "collapsed" and doesn't have support in Europe, only a few adherents in the US...

Is this accurate? Can anyone speak to the validity that the First 5 are a unity?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis

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Documentary hypothesis sources

Hey, I was wondering if anyone had reconstructed all the text from each of the different authors of the Pentateuch. I'd like to try reading it again based on author.

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