Charismatic Movement Puns

This is a fascinating movie about a hippie named Lonnie Frisbee and the birth of the Charismatic movement.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B00L40IW1Y/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r

the beginning of the charismatic movement in historic Christian Churches came in 1960 at St. Mark's Episcopal church in Van Nuys , California  Dennis Bennett the church's Rector, felt the Holy Spirit within him and announced the event to his Anglican church.

Does anyone know of any famous Charismatic Episcopal churches? Just an other flavor of Anglicanism that I didn't know about!

A friend from church (we also share a Bible study group) sent me a Derek Prince sermon. I don't know how to tell her that it made me incredibly uncomfortable. The style was miles away from what I'm used to from JMac and other dispensationalists and calvininsts. It reminded me, somehow, far too much of my past in witchcraft and new age and law of attraction and I just kind of had an instant dislike of it all, the repeating prayers aloud, the constant appeals to the supernatural. Am I wrong? Am I in a position of overcorrection? I don't trust my own feelings really. I just need to know what's true. I've naturally settled into largely Calvinist semi-cessationism but who is right? I have only been a Chistian for like, 18 months. Just asking for your thoughts, brothers and sisters. Thanks

Hi all. I am a reformed believer that used to be charismatic. I am keen to read a good history of the Charismatic Movement. I have read strange Fire from MacArthur and seen quite a few lectures on it.

In Charismatic, Pentecostal and similar movements within Christianity we can observe people displaying strange behaviors which these groups claim to be manifestations of the Holy Spirit. Some of these behaviors are:

• speaking in tongues
• dancing in the spirit
• being slain in the spirit
• holy laughter

For illustration purposes, I'm listing below some live recordings and testimonial videos with references to highlights (I strongly recommend watching at least these highlights before posting an answer)

1)) Yiye Avila - ayuno y oracion(derramamiento del espiritu santo)

Brief commentary: to date, this is by far the most impressive live recording I've seen about these kinds of behaviors. The video is a recording of an evangelist campaign led by Puerto Rican pentecostal evangelist Yiye Ávila, who already passed away in 2013. The video looks quite old, and was probably recorded about 3 decades ago. Here are some highlights:

• 1:28:40 - end of video (the preacher Yiye Avila speaks in tongues pretty much non-stop)
• 1:29:09 (girl trembling, shaking and bending her body sideways)
• 1:29:25 (some men praying and one of them wobbling sideways)
• 1:29:52 (several people holding hands forming a chain, some of them with their bodies trembling)
• 1:31:18 (a young lady seems to be praying while repeatedly shaking her head horizontally).
• 1:31:36 (a man and a lady seem to be performing a "dance in the spirit")
• 1:43:30 (Here things start getting really crazy: we see Yiye Avila first groaning, but then suddenly he seems to start laughing and people simultaneously begin to go crazy, and in 1:43:58 Yiye Avila begins to "dance in the spirit" as well)
• 1:50:30 (a man collapsing and falling to the ground)
• 1:51:13 (Yiye Avila starts praising God in Spanish, but in 1:51:21 he suddenly seems to feel some kind of strange feeling in his body that makes him tremble and speak in tongues - weird stuff).

2)) Move of the Spirit

• 0:53 (guy "dances in the spirit" while shaking like crazy, and some people start dancing in the background as well)
• 2:55 (the whole church begins to "manifest" - crazy stuff)
• 5:15 (ladies "holy laughing", and then people start behaving like crazy again)
• 9:55 (Kenneth Hagin touches a guy and then he starts running like crazy, and people become hysterical in reaction to this).
• 11:

I fucken hate who ever made up this bullshit.

My whole family has this disease, except for my cousins who have some other stronger genes from a different ethnicity than I.

Its genetic.

I don't want to be with such ignorant people ever again.

I lived with my grandparents, who are non-denominational traveling pastors, until I was 15. I did deliverance on somebody possessed at a Native American reserve in New Mexico. I ran “prophetic outreach street groups.” I did dissociative identity disorder therapy. I preached on stage about “going to heaven.” I helped run a deliverance ministry and helped start a “new and exciting” type of deliverance dubbed “heavenly appeals.” I was on various traveling worship teams for over 10 years. My family helped start and run numerous large-scale conferences in the Midwest that housed 5,000+ people and had speakers like Shawn Bolz, Bill Johnson, Heidi Baker, Todd Bentley, and Rick Warren, whom I occasionally got to hang with as part of the “in” group. Now I’m an agnostic mystic trying to figure out what I actually grew up in while deconstructing the damaging parts. Nothings off limits, ask away!

What do you guys think about his opinions ?

I'm not well versed in all this stuff, but found this thread interesting, So thought I'd share in this sub :

Edited from a twitter thread by Fr. Peter Totleben :

' Since I'm waiting for a confirmation Mass to begin, and I don't want to clog up the sacristy and get in the way of doing useful work, and since I tweaked the charismatics on here a little earlier, I thought I'd give my appreciation of the charismatic movement.This is coming from someone who is not a charismatic, but has worked with charismatics over the years and has benefited from their style rubbing off on him over time.

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Sometimes people distinguish between "traditional" and "charismatic" as if these were two different things.

But this isn't true. Actually charismatics are the (usually) legitimate continuators of a long tradition in the Catholic Church.This charismatic tradition shows up in folk and popular Catholicism (especially on the Continent, and especially in the Mediterranean world), it shows up in the lives of the saints, and it shows up in Catholic practice (even in the liturgy) from before the early modern period.

Some traditionalists do not see this because they have a re-construction of the tradition that is partial and idealized, and overemphasizes certain elements that only date back to the early modern period.In fact, this distorted "traditionalism" (which is not held by all people who call themselves traditionalists !) actually encodes practices which cut against authentic Catholic tradition.

This includes a sort of individualistic, Cartesian angelism in spirituality which overemphasizes mental prayer, observing rites in silence, and repetitious devotions. Very few Catholics from more "traditional" periods of Church history would recognize this sort of "traditional" Catholic practice.

(For example, St. Francis and St. Dominic wouldn't).

What I'm saying is that modern Catholicism (even in its "traditional" variety) would benefit from a more complete appropriation of the Catholic tradition, particularly from the portion of the tradition which continues in the ch

Has anyone been keeping up with the blog & Twitter wars against Dr. Michael Brown's association in the charismatic movement? JD Hall at Pulpit & Pen has lambasted anyone who associates with Dr. Brown or charismatic preachers, including Reformed Christians such as Dr. James R. White. What are your opinions on this?

Personally, I don't see being a charismatic/continuationist automatically makes someone a heretic (either in the sense of being outside of orthodoxy or as a false brother); otherwise, this would include people such as Matt Slick and Wayne Grudem whose ministries and written works have greatly helped me.

However, there are practices among extreme fringe charismatics such as 'soul sucking' and a recent controversy involving Sid Roth advocating kicking babies to heal them, which I think we can all agree are down right nuts and heretical.

I think of Dr. Brown as a kind of moderate charismatic, Grudem as a conservative charismatic, and Benny Hinn and those types as the heretical/fringe/extreme charismatics. There's a spectrum and it can be difficult to draw a hard line and say "this is where someone is no longer a brother". Sometimes it's easy, such as necromancy ('soul sucking' included).

In the case of Dr. Brown, I have listened to a lot of his "Line of Fire" program and he is unquestioningly a Trinitarian, affirms Christ's deity, sola fide, even claims to hold to sufficiency of Scripture and says the gifts of the Spirit don't negate this (although I think he's being inconsistent on that point), has denounced the fringe practices of these weird prosperity preachers, and has a firm knowledge of and preaches from the Bible. I don't see why his views on the gifts of the Spirit preclude him from being a Christian. Sure, he's an Arminian, but no one is perfect, ;)

Am I wrong? What are your guys opinions?

I didn't find my group from school and im getting no reply from the coordinator of it so its bad enough, I don't need to be reminded of all the bullshit I went through