Did the gospel writers think heaven was physical place that Jesus went to bodily? How might the original readers of the gospels interpret Jesus' ascension?

Many Christians believe that heaven is not a real physical place in the universe, so doesn't this also hold the Resurrection to purely metaphorical language/story? Acts has Jesus ascending into the clouds.

The Catholic Church teaches that "heaven is the ultimate end and fulfillment of the deepest human longings, the state of supreme, definitive happiness". In heaven one experiences the beatific vision. The church holds that,

>by his death and Resurrection, Jesus Christ has 'opened' heaven to us. The life of the blessed consists in the full and perfect possession of the fruits of the redemption accomplished by Christ... Heaven is the blessed community of all who are perfectly incorporated into Christ.
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>In the glory of heaven the blessed continue joyfully to fulfill God's will in relation to other men and to all creation. Already they reign with Christ; with him 'they shall reign for ever and ever' (Rev 22:5).

Heaven is considered a state, a condition of existence, rather than a particular place somewhere in the cosmos. Pope John Paul II declared:

>The 'heaven' or 'happiness' in which we will find ourselves is neither an abstraction nor a physical place in the clouds, but a living, personal relationship with the Holy Trinity. It is our meeting with the Father which takes place in the risen Christ through the communion of the Holy Spirit.

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Rare image of the Ascension of Jesus Christ (A.D. 30) (Colorized)
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Ramadan 21 Ascension of Jesus to heaven
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Dr. Pickover: If archaeologists discovered the bones of Jesus, thereby disproving the notion of physical Ascension, would Church authorities suppress this information? pollsb.com/polls/p2117546…
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Jesus' Ascension into Heaven (Luke 24:50-53) v.redd.it/ym4b70l5p8o11
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Did the early Christians make a distinction between Jesus' resurrection and his ascension?

Obviously the distinction is there in Acts, but is it to be found in Paul?

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#3 Qs on Christmas, the historical Jesus, Bart Ehrman & The Ascension: Ask NT Wright Anything podcasts.apple.com/ca/pod…
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What do you call the place where Jesus stayed the night before Ascension Day?

The house of the rising son.

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JESUS IN ISLAM : The Crucifixion, Judas Iscariot & Jesus’ Ascension

Those that had an important role in society and considered themselves superior wanted to get rid of the pure, weak worshippers that were following Isa’s ( peace be upon him ) path . Naturally, they wanted to defend themselves . This is when Isa ( peace be upon him ) gave them the most beautiful advice that soon enough was going to become the most famous saying of his. He advised them that if one was slapped on the left cheek, then to offer the offender the right as well. He assured them that Allah is the One and Only who grants victory and success.

The Jews went to the Romans and all the local kings that had taken over Palestine. They instigated fear and hatred for Isa (peace be upon him), lying that he aimed towards stealing their kingdom.

Knowing that the prophet called for resistance of temptations and a pious life, they feared that their world (which more or less was based on the opposite of Allah’s commands) was coming to an end and decided to have Isa ( peace be upon him ) crucified.

Since Isa ( peace be upon him ) held a very important place in Allah’s sight, he had been told by Angel Jibril about the conspiracy calling for his death.

It is said in a narration that a man by the name of Yahuda al-Askhayooty ( Judas the Iscariot ), a disciple of his, was the one who deceived Isa ( peace be upon him)Β and told the Romans and Jews where the prophet was.

Because of this wicked act, Allah made Yahuda look exactly like Isa ( peace be upon him ) and had him crucified instead of the prophet.

And their saying β€œWe killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of God ” – whereas they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but the matter was made dubious to them. Those who differ about this matter and about Jesus are indeed confused; they have no definite knowledge thereof, following mere conjecture; and of a certainty, they killed him not. ( Holy Quran, An-Nisa 157 )

The children of Israel not only bragged about killing a human being, but a messenger – one among the best of them. Allah , wouldn’t have left His precious messenger be killed in such a terrible way , so Isa ( peace be upon him ) was saved fromΒ the ruthless claws of his people.

And they (the unbelievers) schemed (against Jesus), and God put His will into effect (and brought their schemes to nothing). God wills what is the best (for His believing servants) and makes His will prevail. ( Holy Quran, Imran 54 )

When Maryam ( peace be upon her ) heard about the cruci

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[MWI] After the Ascension, Jesus is sent to China.

So, everything happens as normal. Jesus is tried, crucified, is ressurected, and ascends to heaven. But as soon as he arrives, God the Father tells him something to the effect of "My Son, your work on Earth is not done. I will send you to the far away lands of the Han, so that the people there will accept the Word as well".

Around 47 AD, a strange man in strange clothing appears in China, preaching to the people of modern-day Nanjing and Shanghai. What happens next?

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Does Jesus' bodily resurrection and ascension into heaven necessitate that he currently exist in some corporeal form somewhere in our universe?

If mainstream Christian theology teaches that Christ was bodily risen from the dead, walked and talked with the apostles after he was crucified, and was risen into heaven, does it logically follow that Christ, in his flesh, exists somewhere in this universe? Or perhaps that he exists in a metaphysical state able to transcend natural laws of physics but still bound to a corporeal existence?

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Doctor Who 12x09 "Ascension of the Cybermen" Post-Episode Discussion Thread

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Healing Spire of Ascension second Boss

Hello, looking for advices as disc priest,

Today in tyranical 15 was rough. We somehow missed pride by 0.30% went with only bloodlust and it was hard.

Dot is heavy, I need to hard cast shadowmend because atonement isn't enough. Hard casting means my feet are rooted, I can dodge most dark bullet as long as there is only 2 or 3 spawner but once there is spawner oustide of my screen, I most likely will take one in the ass. And then it's hell on earth.

I need advices (other than don't forget the pride/BL and dodge everything). As far as I understood the boss : A1) You can bait Dot by being the most far away from boss. A2) Dot can be cleansed by Kyrian pot, Iceblock and Dwarf racial. A3) Damage on tank is reasonable so I can pain sup/barrier player with dot to alleviate damage. B1) Damage on party is null except dark bullets that can two shot anyone. B2) Bullets spawner are spawned from the boss, they never disapear B3) Tank needs to kite to boss so in time spawners will circle the room B4) Top down camera don't encompass the whole arena so you can't check every spawner at once.

Am I missing some obvious solution or must I just tough it up and endure while praying this combat end the sooner possible ?

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After years of 20 fps laptop gaming, let the ascension begin!! imgur.com/dV6tGao
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Andrew Ellard's Tweetnotes for "Ascension of the Cybermen" twitter.com/ellardent/sta…
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Celebrating 2 million Ascensions – Win 1 of 6 Uplay VIP Game Bundles!

Wooooooooo \o/

2 million already? Absolutely insane and awesome to see especially since it feels like it was just yesterday when we were celebrating 1 million subs. Thanks to all of you for your amazing contribution to PC and we can’t wait to see what the future brings!

To celebrate we’re giving away 6 Uplay VIP Game Bundles! A VIP Game Bundle includes nearly every recent game that has been released on Uplay. You can find the full list here;

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All you need to do to enter is leave a comment below and tell us about your favorite PC memory. We'll draw the winners on Monday, January 14th, 2019 at around 13:30 UTC.

Thanks everyone and stay awesome <3

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Gen.G vs. GC Busan Ascension / KeSPA Cup 2019 - Round of 16 / Post-Match Discussion

###KESPA CUP 2019
Official page | Leaguepedia | Liquipedia | Eventvods.com | New to LoL


###Gen.G 2-0 GC Busan Ascension

GEN | Leaguepedia | Liquipedia
GCA | Leaguepedia


###MATCH 1: GEN vs. GCA
Winner: Gen.G in 20m | Player of the Game: Bdd

Game Breakdown

Bans 1 Bans 2 G K T D/B
GEN lucian aurelion sol pyke gangplank reksai 42.3k 20 8 C^1 I^2 H^3 O^4
GCA miss fortune syndra elise aatrox camille 27.9k 1 1 None
GEN 20-1-43 vs 1-20-2 GCA
Rascal akali ^1 3-1-3 TOP 0-5-1 ^1 ezreal Slugger
Clid gragas ^3 3-0-10 JNG 1-4-0 ^4 graves Sangyu
Bdd qiyana ^3 9-0-4 MID 0-3-0 ^2 veigar Scarlet
Ruler senna ^2 5-0-11 BOT 0-5-1 ^3 jinx Shark
Life tahmkench ^2 0-0-15 SUP 0-3-0 ^1 thresh Execute

###MATCH 2: GCA vs. GEN
Winner: Gen.G in 22m | Player of the Game: Ruler

Game Breakdown

Bans 1 Bans 2 G K T D/B
GCA [syndra
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Do WW go fist of white tiger or ascension?

I've ran fist this whole time but idk, do a majority just go ascension?

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Tower of Ascension | challenging vertical autoscroll link level v.redd.it/vxza5853j4e41
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Sufjan Stevens - The Ascension (2020) | Round 5 of 14

Lamentations is out by one vote.


VOTE HERE


SONGS IN

  • Make Me an Offer I Cannot Refuse
  • Run Away with Me
  • Video Game
  • Tell Me You Love Me
  • Die Happy
  • Ativan
  • Landslide
  • Goodbye to All That
  • Sugar
  • The Ascension
  • America

SONGS OUT

Rank Song Votes Against Percentage Runner-up
12th Place Lamentations 11/45 votes 24.4% 22.2% (10/45)
13th Place Ursa Major 10/46 votes 21.7% 19.6% (9/46)
14th Place Gilgamesh 12/48 votes 25% 18.8% (9/48)
15th Place Death Star 12/38 votes 31.6% 23.7% (9/38)

ALBUM INFO

RYM

[WIKIPEDIA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ascension_(Sufjan_Stevens_album)

GENIUS


STREAM

APPLE MUSIC

SPOTIFY

YOUTUBE


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[God Of War] My Vengeance ends now, finally. Anyone who hasn’t played the series by all means give it a go, an overall great story (so far). Anyone looking to play ascension in this list, best of luck. Platinum 4-13
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Should I care about Path of Ascension?

Do any of the Covenants have anything useful in the 4th Upgrade slot, or is it all Mount's and Cosmetics? I really am not liking PoA and struggling to see the value in the time investment. Thank you!

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Just completed Ascension 11, got Bag of Marbles and Paper Phrog (75% dmg when vul) early, found shop with Mind Blast and Dolly's mirror and first event after let me copy Blast again, then I just went the path that gave me the most cards. Dumbest run yet.
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2 weeks working remotely led to my ascension. 49" AG493UCX (32:9 | 1520x1440). Surrounded by a family of Razer peripherals & a Blade 15 to boot. Couldn't be happier. Super productive to work on, and amazingly immersive in games. Stay strong, fellow quarantiners.
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[Silva] Lost in Joe Douglas transition to Jets was continued ascension of ex-Sashi Brown lieutenant Andrew Berry within Eagles org. Harvard grad with pro scouting & analytics background was recently promoted to VP of Football Operations by the sharpest franchise in the NFC. twitter.com/evansilva/sta…
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RPCS3 - Major Performance Improvements in The Last of Us, GoW 3 + Ascension,more! youtube.com/watch?v=WkZXO…
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WSJ: Google’s β€˜Project Nightingale’ Gathers Personal Health Data on Millions of Americans (Ascension Health) wsj.com/articles/google-s…
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Ascension of Heavy-Bot
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TIL Charles Darwin & Joseph Hooker started the world's first terraforming project on Ascension Island in 1850. The project has turned an arid volcanic wasteland into a self sustaining and self reproducing ecosystem made completely of foreign plants from all over the world. bbc.com/news/science-envi…
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Hair length-changing ascension and its share of problem
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We're just about at the $5k threshold for Trials of Ascension's Kickstarter! v.redd.it/t07accdtral41
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Killteam Equinox Christmas Special: The Fenresian Feast of the God-Emperor's Ascension

Twelve days before the Day of the God-Emperor’s Ascension, the killteam returned to Watch-Fortress Zagreus. The equinox, battered as it ever was after a mission, slid silently into one of the star fortress’s many hangars. Her paint was scored and scratched, and the machine spirit grumbled for it. The bellicose and proud war machine was no stranger to battle, and while the ork’s shootahs caused virtually no damage, the sheer quantity of bullets left the ship’s paint in tattered fragments and her hull covered with countless tiny dents and imperfection.

That, and a Mek gun’s lucky shot had overloaded her void shield generators and that always put her in a foul mood, let alone the subsequent crash-landing.

Despite the best efforts of Ogadai, the marines had not been permitted to keep the looted Baneblade for themselves. Keeping an experimental and possibly heretical prototype was one thing, keeping a Baneblade, no matter how badly modified by the Ork, was something else entirely. Beyond that, there is no way to make a tank discrete unless your name is Usrukar Creed, so bringing it on further missions would be somewhat impractical.

As the killteam approached, a scowl came over Andriel’s face. β€œHe’s waiting for us. Send him my regards.” The blind librarian told Morn. His sightless eyes could see the void surrounding the inquisitor even from this distance, his hieghtened psychic senses bristling about it. Raising his staff, he opened a gate of infinity and stepped through, appearing in an adjacent hangar and conveniently avoiding the inquisitor.

β€œI hate it when he does that.” Lokhir grumbled. The young space wolf had yet to become entirely accustomed to the dark angel’s casual use of his abilities. β€œThough I can’t say I blame him. All inquisitors stink, but this one is particularly putrid.”

Atra raised an eyebrow at that statement. β€œI haven’t ever smelled anything off about him, except maybe a bit too much leather and stress.” She replied. β€œAnd I’m stuck spending an uncomfortable amount of time around him.”

β€œI mean you’re hardly the most perceptive of us, even with that eye of yours, but how could you not?”

β€œI’ve not noticed any odd smell. Though the air about him is unnaturally cold.” Ish’van spoke up as they prepared to exit the craft. β€œAnd the fortress is hardly pleasant at the best of times.”

β€œHah! You call this cold? This would be a balmy summer day on Fenris!”

β€œYes. Which is one of many reasons why, as much as I respect the sons of Russ, I ne

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As the shop loaded, I thought, β€œMy only hope is Lee’s Waffle.” Sure enough... Went on to my first clear of this Ascension.
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Remake to an old meme of mine. I’ve ascended beyond ascension.
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The game gets a lot of fun after 30k, with the third ascension for heroes
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Age of Ascension New Expansion! imgur.com/a/gVwdH3W
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Didn't know Mashu had a Fifth ascension ? Meet, Sororitas Mashu! thanks Ruler Of Mankind!
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Doctor Who 12x09 "Ascension of the Cybermen" Trailer and Speculation Thread

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Doctor Who 12x09 "Ascension of the Cybermen" Trailer and Speculation Thread

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You can still also vote for previous series 12 episodes [here](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=PCJs_Slave_Robot&subject=DoctorWho%20Story%20Poll&message=289%20%28Spyfall%2C%20Part%20One%29%3A%20%0A290%20%28Spyfall%2C%20Part%20Two%29%3A%20%0A291%20%28Orphan%2055%29%3A%20%0A292%20%28Nikola%20Tesla%E2%80%99s%20Night%2

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