I watched cris hauters video about the evolution of bjj and the guard he also talks about how bjj is the freest of the grappling arts.
I see posts and weird internet discussions about the bjj vs wrestling vs judo vs etc. Well shouldn't a good bjj practitioner have at least fundamental knowledge of those techniques? They're usually allowed anyways in comp, and it's clear they all have something to offer. (Since Bjj is just an offshoot of judo and the slavs and their leglocks)
Then I wondered well why do we call it bjj? Is it just the gi and belt system or when you focus on the ground? Is it just branding? I dunno bored on a Sunday just been thinking. (Which I clearly don't do very well)
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From wikipedia:
>Pins were the predominant way to win, to the point some matches didn't even include submissions as an additional way; submission holds (also called "punishment holds") were instead exclusively for control and to force the opponent into a pin under the threat of pain and injury. According to Tommy Heyes, student of Billy Riley, there are no registers of a single classical catch wrestler winning by submission.
I see a lot of people thinking that everything judo or BJJ does today in terms of submissions was done by catch first in the nineteenth century. Well, that's not true. Different wrestling style, different philosophy. Submissions as they're performed today, where you threaten serious damage in order to coax a tap from your opponent, weren't present in classical catch wrestling. No triangles, no juji gatame, and no kimura. I don't know exactly when they get added to modern catch and become the sort of thing Kazushi Sakuraba or Ken Shamrock practiced, but it was likely after the introduction of freestyle wrestling.
I also just want to include this here, this is Farmer Burns' correspondence course: https://fdocuments.net/document/farmer-burns-course.html. The actual wrestling techniques begin on page 52. If you'd like to learn more about what catch wrestling was and was not, this is probably the best source.
I absolutely love how he does it, he just ragdolls them brutally until they have no choice but to tap, like a dog with a chew toy. It makes me laugh because of how aggressive it looks.
It can be an MMA match or a NoGi grappling match. I just saw Sakuraba vs Newton and I’m hooked on grappling.
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Just wondering but what are people's favourite arm submission in wrestling? I haven't seen that much New Japan, so there might be a awesome arm submission I'm not aware of.
Sticking with the ones I have seen, but favourite ones are at the moment a tie between Ronda Rousey's arm submission where she first twist her opponent's arm before locking in a armbar because it looks like she twist her opponent's arm in a manner where it looks like she can break their arms.
The other one being Deonna Purrazzo's double arm submission because it looks more unique than the many single arm submissions out there and the way she locks it in looks very cool. I also like how Deonna uses the koji clutch too. I cannot think of any other female who uses that move when it looks pretty brutal to be in it.
Is anyone interested in kettlebell training or Brazilian Jiu-jitsu (nogi submission wrestling)? No cost. Just for fun. Based in Vlore.
I'm looking for some people that are genuinely interested in either of those two. I have an extensive background in both (more in kettlebells) and just want to share my knowledge. Neither of these two disciplines are currently popular in Albania.
Why am I only now hearing about this?!?
https://youtu.be/eGxF7AuPl1o
https://youtu.be/dA8JdtKm1Rk
This isn't a post asking which is better.
I could've sworn that I read somewhere that catch wrestling often teaches things like standing headlocks , which aren't featured in BJJ.
Or that throws or slams are taught in catch, while BJJ is not.
Is this true? Or am I flat out wrong?
Thanks in.advance.
Like, stand and bang is in bright letters RIGHT THERE, you moron.
I can't figure out how to do any of these things. Is it just spamming buttons, cause that seems to only work about 20% of the time.
Interesting fact, Eric Esch, the Butterbean, toughman contest and boxing, has 9 of his 17 wins by submission, and only 8 by knockout.
I noticed recently that a gym in my town offers something called “Submission Arts Wrestling”. It seems to be Japanese Catch Wrestling as the founder, Hidetaka Aso, has trained under Karl Gotch.
Does anyone know about this? I know Catch has been in a rough spot for a while (See: this schmozzle), but are they legit?
What would be the advantages and limitations of training this style as opposed to BJJ?
Many thanks guys
I thinking for moves like Armbar Stretch and Indian Deathlock 2 (Moves that look like submissions but don't act like them) that I don't feel translate well as just a regular move and being able to wrench back on them like in the Rest Holds/Chain Wrestling might make them more usable.
Lately we have not had too much Judo here, so I have been sparring with a few BJJ guys and girls. Over time I have become used to their way of grappling and also learned they are pretty defenseless against a good pin, which I exploit to the max 😉 Last night we had this submission grappler join the class in a gi. Guy is my weight class. With him Ne Waza feels like Ne Waza. He bridged out from my Hon Kesa Gatame and Kami Shiho Gatame, something our BJJ guys never do. He also used his body weight aggressively to keep me at bay. Felt really familiar and Judo. The BJJ guys commented that grappling with him feels like grappling with me. Interesting!
