Putin's claim that NATO threatens Russia is a self-fulfilling prophecy asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/Pโ€ฆ
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AAC Commissioner Mike Aresco to @YahooSports : "Itโ€™s a self-fulfilling prophecy. The committee doesnโ€™t rank our teams that deserve to be ranked, then they turn around and say they donโ€™t play any ranked teams."
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Self Fulfilling Prophecy.
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Circular logic and self-fulfilling prophecies in AA

Hereโ€™s one thing thatโ€™s been bothering me about the programโ€”

We are told that if we donโ€™t keep actively working the program, we are dangerously stepping closer and closer to a relapse. We have to keep working all 3 sides of the triangle, stay in the center, live step 10.

This is confirmed by many who have relapsed. They let their lives slip away from the program, relapsed, and are now back to continue doing the work, and to warn others what might happen if you ever stop.

What about the people who stopped โ€œdoing the workโ€ but didnโ€™t relapse? We would never hear from them because, without a relapse, thereโ€™s nothing bringing them back to AA to tell the tale.

Itโ€™s circular logic that we are told we will relapse if we leave, because the only ones telling us about leaving are the ones who CAME BACK. What about people who slowly distanced over time and whoโ€™s lives are not in shambles as a result?

The only acknowledgement I have heard of this from people in AA is that, well, those people must not have been โ€œreal alcoholics.โ€ I do not think this is true at all. I think itโ€™s a little dangerous to gate-keep the legitimacy of addictionโ€” to say that if youโ€™re a โ€œrealโ€ addict, youโ€™re only hope is AA. And if you can survive without AA, youโ€™re not a โ€œrealโ€ addict.

All this being said, I do not take relapse stories lightly. Im not turning up my nose to the advice about โ€œdoing the work.โ€ I am genuinely scared that if I stop doing the work, if I slip from the program, that I may relapse again. And it bothers me that AA has to instill this fear in people. What happened to, โ€œtake what you need, leave the rest?โ€

Does anyone see what I mean? What do you think of this?

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(Spoilers Extended) What is your favorite self-fulfilling prophecy?
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Yahoo. What a fucking self fulfilling prophecy. They really nailed it calling themselves a bunch of yahoos.

Fucking Yahoo. How pathetic and annoying. My school Jr. High newspaper from the 1980's had more integrity and sophistication.

Go to their financial page sometime. If you click on Gold or Silver most of their stories are 3 days old. Then there is this asshole who runs advertorial. Chaikin Analytics. The headline reads: "Major Disruption in Gold Markets. I see major warning signs. Move your Money Now."

So if you are trying to do any cursory research on Gold or Silver the narrative consists of "hit pieces" on Gold and Silver. Conversely all you see are these "glorified" stories on Pizza coin, Sushi coin, Pancake coin, etc. I do click on their page because it is a free site where I can see price of oil, natural gas, gold and silver but the content is abysmal. Who is the fucking editor over there and does the average reader even have a GED?

Yahoo, If confusion is your bag then we're your cup of tea

*pizza, sushi pancake coin comes from the brilliant EB Tucker not this author.

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JNMIL and her self-fulfilling prophecy

Hi all, I've been reading your stories for a couple weeks now and I finally decided to post a "short" rant (I wrote the long rant, covering the last two years, but it's just too damn long).

Three months ago, my MIL and my fiance had a four-hour fight over the phone. Why? We decided to keep the sex of our future baby a secret until birth. She called my fiance, FURIOUS, yelling "You've known the sex for 48 hours and you still haven't told me! How can you do this to me! How can you shut me out like that! How dare you!" We had already told her months prior that we would keep it a secret, I guess she had been in denial this whole time lol. She then went on listing every single thing she dislikes about my fiance and I: from us being homebodies who don't like to party, to her not being allowed to stop by our place unannounced. It was a looong list. She then started the accusations: she accused us of wanting to be in control of everything (well duh, it's OUR baby), of us not liking her and not wanting to see her ever, that we're just using her for her money, she accused me of wanting to keep her away from the baby, she said that I will never allow her to see her grandchild once I give birth, and other stuff that doesn't make any sense and that she had just made up in her head. My fiance didn't even tell me everything she said, because he wanted to spare me. He is very assertive, he stood up to her, fought back, and defended me the whole time. They haven't said a word to each other since then (it was three months ago). But she texted me a few weeks after their fight, saying:

"I wanted to apologize to you for not writing since my argument with [son's name]. I was very hurt and I needed some time. I was so sad as a mother to see that despite all I have done, it still wasnโ€™t good enough. I have tried my best and always from the heart. I said some things probably that I didnโ€™t mean that day, I was so frustrated, I'm sorry."

I feel like she's victimizing herself and blaming her bad behavior on my fiance, and therefore I do not buy her apology [here is where I'm asking your opinion: am I overreacting thinking her apology is complete BS?] It's not the first time that she's had bad behaviors, she's been manipulating and overbearing since we moved to the same country as her two years ago. I had already lost part of my trust in her last year after another incident, but now I do not know if I even want to have a relationship anymore. My fiance wants to move away from

... keep reading on reddit โžก

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Self-fulfilling prophecy (virgin who hates r/niceguy is a nice guy.) reddit.com/gallery/r9shmf
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Is this not just a Self-fulfilling Prophecy?

Have we not caused this price action with the rumours and thoughts of it being a scam, regardless of whether it is or not?

It's like if you started spreading rumours about a bank run at a certain bank you could actually cause a real bank run, or the toilet paper shortage situation back when COVID first started.

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Self-fulfilling prophecy

It's so tragic and heartbreaking. My fiancee wants to share love, she wants a stable home with a partner who loves her and is devoted to our family. She tries to do all she can to make that happen. But her actions and statements end up causing the exact opposite of what she wants.

She wants to feel loved by me, but she ignores and disregards the numerous ways that I express that love, through words and deeds, instead focusing only on my failure to mind-read and use specific words at the precise time that she needs to hear those words.

She wants collaboration and cooperation in a relationship, but she's so focused on her own fears and insecurities that she comes across as supremely self-absorbed, concerned only with what she wants and unable or unwilling to acknowledge that others' emotions and interests are valid and legitimate, as well.

She's afraid that I'm focused on other interests and obligations instead of her, but her relentless need for me to focus my attention only on her is causing me to lose some of the overwhelming sense of attraction that drew me to her in the first place.

I've told her that she's killing the relationship. I've told her that I'm emotionally exhausted. She doesn't seem to get it. I feel that her only move is to be the scared, insecure child, hopeful that I'll make everything better, but that's not what I want in a relationship. I don't know why anyone would.

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Calling yourself boring or uninteresting is a self-fulfilling prophecy

Why would other people find you interesting when you don't?

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What is โ€˜tip baitingโ€™? Delivery driver explains deceptive practice in viral video. Quote from ubereats customer in the article "This exists because drivers abused the power to turn away orders with tips they didnโ€™t think were enough," one person wrote about tip baiting. "Self fulfilling prophecy." today.com/food/restaurantโ€ฆ
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A self-fulfilling prophecy
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Self-fulfilling prophecy?

I swear Iโ€™m not the type to start shilling โ€œthe secretโ€ or anything like that; I donโ€™t believe in mass telekinesis. I watch all of the same shows and consume all of the same sci if novels and most of the time I donโ€™t even think about it with any granularity, I just live with a general sense of dread about the near to mid-term future. But it occurs to me that, I mean, ARE there even any subreddits envisioning a future we would want to inhabit? Doesnโ€™t that seem like a giant problem, or at least one MORE giant problem? Itโ€™s super easy to envision the nightmare (thanks to TWD, etc.) but not so much the other potential outcomes. IDK.

Also, I apologize if this is a question that a newcomer to the sub asks every week or so.

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Libright is a self fulfilling prophecy
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WTW for this type of time travel paradox: My fortune cookie said there would be a day of great despair in my life in 10 years, so i got a puppy to cheer myself up. (Besides "self fulfilling prophecy")

Like information from the future causing the future to happen.

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Self-fulfilling prophecies : don't be part of the problem
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Glitches Galore - Regarding numerous charts showing false info, I offer 2 possible explanations: 1) They are hiding illegal activity/illegitimate short covering, etc? 2) They want us to doubt the process so much that we get hesitant and back off - create self fulfilling prophecy. I'm going with #2.
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Will the Christmas Carol Episode be a Self-fulfilling prophecy?
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Self-fulfilling prophecy
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The Dangers of the Democratic Doom Loop: Democratic pessimism is becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy by demobilizing our voters and volunteers. messagebox.substack.com/pโ€ฆ
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A comic I drew years l before knew Ace was a thing. (I was 20) In a self fulfilling prophecy, I now live alone with many birds. reddit.com/gallery/q7etzs
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Fenrir was a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy
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Self fulfilling prophecy fulfills itself...
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Self fulfilling prophecy

I was just thinking the other day reading ORV is just seeing Dokjas self fulfilling prophecy. Iโ€™m not sure if Iโ€™m making sense it was just a thought that came in. Dokja doesnโ€™t feel like he deserves/is able to receive this affection from others causing him to isolate himself from his companions. This ends up with all his plans end up with him .. you know. He believes in others but not him self. All his plans actively not include his safety bc he feels he isnโ€™t worthy of it. All he knows is to make others succeed but he doesnโ€™t believe in himself to be truly be apart/belonging of kimcom, so that In turn becomes his future. I tagged this post as spoiler cause I wasnโ€™t sure if it was considered (?) my first post ever. Let me know your thoughts

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self fulfilling prophecy

at this point it feels like iโ€™m doing this to myself. i am festering in my loneliness to the point iโ€™m not eating, iโ€™m not showering, iโ€™m sleeping the second i get home from work and right up until i have to leave. i donโ€™t feel like i can do those things at all anymore. i have no motivation to try to take care of myself or strive to find what would make me happier. i feel like whatever person was inside of me is gone now. i donโ€™t try to talk to people anymore. i donโ€™t reach out, i am constantly negative. i cry anytime i have privacy at work. i never smile anymore. i smell bad and iโ€™m losing weighjt so quickly that i look dead. itโ€™s now my fault that i am alone. and i have no clue how to get out. itโ€™s just a big loop and i feel so stuck.

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A self-fulfilling prophecy
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Markets are a social science. Silver squeeze will prove to be a self fulfilling prophecy. Hunt brothers and WSB showed the masses the squeeze works. It will work! Keep accumulating!

That is all.

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My dad told me that he's concerned that I've recognized autism symptoms in myself because of a self-fulfilling prophecy. I am so hurt.

I told my dad that I have scheduled an autism evaluation because my therapist recommended I do so. I explained that the more I read about the symptoms of autism in women, the more my lifelong social struggles (among other things) have made sense.

His response was that my symptoms being a self-fulfilling prophecy is a "very real possibility" and that my life experiences are a "normal part of growing up". I'm 20 btw. He and I are similar in that he has had to work hard to understand social rules as well. But that is HIS experience, not a universal one. I don't think he's autistic though, because he lacks sensory issues, stimming, etc.

Now I'm wondering if he could be right. I've done hundreds of hours researching autism in women, which actually confirms things in a way because it's a special interest. It could also be fueling a perception of myself that is incorrect.

Input on your own experiences with self-fulfilling prophecy, or lack thereof, would be appreciated.

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[Alexi Lalas] I fear we may have built up the CONCACAF road challenges narrative so much that it is becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. It seems to now be a convenient crutch, or worse, an excuse to justify a poor performance. twitter.com/AlexiLalas/stโ€ฆ
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I am almost 40 and by every metric I am a pathetic loser. Automatic Negative Thoughts and Self-Fulfilling prophecy.

My last just I did well. I hated it tho. I felt less than working in fast food throughout my 30s and knew I needed to level up. Yet I remained stuck.

The work was unfulfilling. I will wasn't challenged and I wasn't really suited for retail. I'm more geared towards ideas and information.

However, I keep trying to "change" but never really do.

Now I'm bitter. Jaded. Hating life and most others. I've lost or buried much of what used to make me, Me.

I feel retardted and can picture my closest friends using that word - Very Vividly.

They don't see me as put together and while talking to me they make weird seem ok and we are all works on progress- but then when they they I can't hear or when I've overheard things. I have been seen as bad weird. Creepy.

Enough to make me question the reality of things or the friendships.

Everything about me feels it needs to change. And yet I feel like I can't or I need things I cannot get. Or even if I did I'd fail or fuck shit up. For everything I touch turns to shit.

I am out of will. How does one change when you have no will left to try. And yet. Here I am trying.

Just never feela like I am going to win or make a dent.

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"It might make sense just to get some in case it catches on. If enough people think the same way, that becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy." Satoshi Nakamoto

http://bitcoinsperperson.com/

"It might make sense just to get some #bitcoin in case it catches on. If enough people think the same way, that becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy." Satoshi Nakamoto

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Does anyone else believe that fear of rejection is a self-fulfilling prophecy?

Everybody hates failure. To know or so much as believe that they're not good enough. Some people fail, brush it off and go at it again. Others, like me, are hit harder and that can shake our confidence really bad. So "don't take a rejection personally" is way easier said than done. How couldn't I? If they don't wanna date me, it's because something must be wrong with ME, right? And that sure sounds personal.

So when you're a guy like me, 29 y/o, 5'3'', about 115lb, you can imagine how disheartening can be to consider getting into the dating scene. The attention I do get sometimes is from teenagers and that's embarassing af. And I go as far as to wonder if there could be women out there who could date me but won't out of fear of being made fun of. Now, I'm not saying that I never happened to be hit on by older women. It's just that they often aren't my type and my insecurities prevent me from taking initiative with the ones that pick up my interest. I'm a guy who rather not to play at all than to lose.

So going back to the question in the title, maybe I'm being a fool and missing out. Maybe things are not as hopeless as I make them out to be. Maybe if I tried more and worried less, despite my looks or anything, I wouldn't be here writting this. Or maybe my rant would be even more pathetic.

Anyway, you guys don't need to bother saying things like "how you look doesn't matter" or something like that. I know the "theory" of it all. I guess I just wanted to rant a little and see if I'm not alone on this boat.

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It's an odd feeling when *you* are a part of someone else's self fulfilling prophecy

I haven't been "searching" for anything, but I guess i would have to use the word "truth" here. I guess I've been interested in truth. While observing myself, and others, i can't help but ask questions. I can't help but observe that I'm asking questions while im observing. Because of this i see that there is no truth. Maybe a lot of growth is in learning that following the path of least resistance isn't as easy as it sounds. Many people probably don't even consider this. And by those "people" i mean ones that never travel down the deep paths many of us seem to seek. But once you do "find" the path of least resistance, life becomes much more simple. Now here is my dilemma. Everyone has a path of least resistance.. And they aren't all the same. The outcasts and "crazy" people get mocked by majority of "normal" people, especially on the internet. Yet they seem so content.. They followed the path of least resistance, and now have like minded people. They are secure, whole.. Maybe not happy, but those aren't mutually exclusive emotions. I am not god. I am not the exception. Which means i have a path of least resistance. But do i really need to fit somewhere? I can't just be connected to everyone and no one? I guess it's just scary realizing that there is no truth. Why.. Can't I just be.

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Does anybody else get overly depressed after watching porn? I feel this is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Now hear me out. In no way I'm trying to downplay porn's detrimental effects on our health, but lately when I relapse and watch porn (I sometimes go about 5 days before relapsing) I feel insanely awful. Like I'm actually ashamed to go out and even talk to girls because I feel like such a creep. It's like reading all the side effects of porn makes me think everyone else knows about them and I feel particularly bad about watching. What do you guys think?

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[SPOILERS] S07 EP09 - SELF FULFILLING PROPHECY

Merry Christmas to all celebrating! And if not, Happy Holidays! I'm rewatching the show so I can finally watch the final season and have closure. Join me as I go through all the emotions all over again!

This is the episode where the team has to track down a missing boy who disappeared from military training school after a string of suicides.

  • Well shit. Corpses hanging from the trees 1 minute in. Standard Criminal Minds programming.
  • A special good morning to you Aaron Hotchner, and to you only.
  • Reid did not just throw a peace sign to a military man LMFAO
  • Smoke signal my arse
  • Being a parent is so hard, man. what the hell.
  • But also, these "bad" kid camps never end well :(
  • Hotch blends in so well with these military types. I'm...having...emotions...
  • Omg they're all so little! Babies! Being made soldiers! </3
  • Garcia and Reid bonding over ghost stories is so wholesome. One of the best duos in the show.
  • "I'm Italian, it knows better" SWISH SWISH ROSSI
  • I knew this was gonna turn out to be some bullying shit gadammit
  • WHAT THE FUCK??! IMPALING??
  • Season 7 is packing the gory punches
  • This school feels like a cult...
  • Hotch is judging this man so hard teehee
  • Strauss go off! GO AWF! FINALLY SOME GOOD FUCKING FOOD
  • "All due respect ma'am, have you been drinking?" I AM SCREAMING
  • DECEASED
  • What the hell is going aaaawwn
  • Morgan is going IN TODAAYYY
  • So much tension!
  • YOU ARE PUTTING CHILDREN IN THE DRYER WHAT IN THE FUCKETY FUCK
  • Garbage. Garbagio. Fire and arrest this asshole.
  • Justice for Josh!!!
  • Y'all out here whispering by the car in the most conspicuous way possible lmao! BAU, masters of analysing human behaviour but absolutely garbage at regulating their own.
  • JUSTICE FOR JOSH!!!!!
  • Morgan, push this old man! Idc idc idcccc
  • "I don't take orders from you Aaron" Oh, but I would gladly!
  • Not the cling clang of alcohol bottles ERIN STRAUSS! C'mon on girl I was rooting for youuu!

9/10

I liked this one. A nice little mystery who done it case. Still the strongest consistent season since season 4.

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Waktu kecil dibilang pemales sama ortu, udah gede jadi males beneran. FOR GOOD OR BAD, self-fulfilling prophecy seperti apa yang pernah terjadi hidup lu?

Okay, jadi sebagai manusia kan kita gak tiba2 jadi orang. Ada banyak aspek yang bikin kita jadi seperti ini, misalnya expectacy lingkungan sama kita dst. Kalau kita disangka seperti tertentu, lama2 kita percaya bahwa kita emang seperti itu, dan akhirnya kita jadi seperti itu.

Contoh: dibilang berbakat dalam ngegambar sama guru, kita percaya bahwa kita berbakat, jadi rajin ngegambar sampe jadi jago gambar.

Tapi, mungkin juga klo kita dibilangin bodoh dr kecil, lama2 kita percaya dr sononya emang bodoh, akhirnya kita ngerasa yaudah percuma belajar juga gakan jadi pinter, dan akhirnya sampe besar gak bisa apa2.

Anyway, what's urs story?

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self-fulfilling prophecy with the ammo thing. Grandma only makes ammo expensive because she is afraid of democrats in charge
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๐Ÿ‘ค︎ u/Cicerothesage
๐Ÿ“…︎ Jan 03 2022
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It's a self fulfilling prophecy huh? They're so against Spamton being a sexyman yet they're doing their own variations of Spamton and even has interact with each other
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๐Ÿ‘ค︎ u/RinaQueen
๐Ÿ“…︎ Nov 23 2021
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I deal with insecurities by allowing them to become self-fulfilling prophecies.

The other day, I found myself contending with some strong feelings of jealousy. In doing so, I came to a realization. When I am insecure about something, I let people hurt my feelings. I even subtly (or not so subtly) encourage it. It feels comfortable and familiar to be the one who gets screwed over. It gives me the moral high ground, which I can then use to argue that others should have been dealing with my insecurities rather than myself.

I can tell myself that I did everything right and that everyone else is at fault. I can avoid being vulnerable. If I let things go down this way, it was just another one of my cynical predictions that came true and not a failure to advocate for myself.

Who can relate?

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๐Ÿ‘ค︎ u/accretion_disc
๐Ÿ“…︎ Oct 26 2021
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Circular logic and self-fulfilling prophecies in AA?

Hello all! Iโ€™m trying AA (no judgement about anyone who chooses not to). There have been a lot of great things but some things about AA bother me. I also posted in the AA sub, but I would like to hear opinions of people who arenโ€™t going to automatically defend the program.

Hereโ€™s one thing thatโ€™s been bothering meโ€”

We are told that if we donโ€™t keep actively working the program, we are dangerously stepping closer and closer to a relapse. We have to keep working all 3 sides of the triangle, stay in the center, live step 10.

This is confirmed by many who have relapsed. They let their lives slip away from the program, relapsed, and are now back to continue doing the work, and to warn others what might happen if you ever stop.

What about the people who stopped โ€œdoing the workโ€ but didnโ€™t relapse? We would never hear from them because, without a relapse, thereโ€™s nothing bringing them back to AA to tell the tale.

Itโ€™s circular logic that we are told we will relapse if we leave, because the only ones telling us about leaving are the ones who CAME BACK. What about people who slowly distanced over time and whoโ€™s lives are not in shambles as a result?

The only acknowledgement I have heard of this from people in AA is that, well, those people must not have been โ€œreal alcoholics.โ€ I do not think this is true at all. I think itโ€™s a little dangerous to gate-keep the legitimacy of addictionโ€” to say that if youโ€™re a โ€œrealโ€ addict, youโ€™re only hope is AA. And if you can survive without AA, youโ€™re not a โ€œrealโ€ addict.

All this being said, I do not take relapse stories lightly. Im not turning up my nose to the advice about โ€œdoing the work.โ€ I am genuinely scared that if I stop doing the work, if I slip from the program, that I may relapse again. And it bothers me that AA has to instill this fear in people. What happened to, โ€œtake what you need, leave the rest?โ€

Does anyone see what I mean? What do you think of this?

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๐Ÿ‘ค︎ u/MiddleClassroom5744
๐Ÿ“…︎ Jan 02 2022
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Circular logic and self fulfilling prophecies in AA?

Hello all! Iโ€™m trying AA (no judgement about anyone who chooses not to). There have been a lot of great things but some things about AA bother me. I also posted in the AA sub, but I would like to hear opinions of people who arenโ€™t going to automatically defend the program.

Hereโ€™s one thing thatโ€™s been bothering meโ€”

We are told that if we donโ€™t keep actively working the program, we are dangerously stepping closer and closer to a relapse. We have to keep working all 3 sides of the triangle, stay in the center, live step 10.

This is confirmed by many who have relapsed. They let their lives slip away from the program, relapsed, and are now back to continue doing the work, and to warn others what might happen if you ever stop.

What about the people who stopped โ€œdoing the workโ€ but didnโ€™t relapse? We would never hear from them because, without a relapse, thereโ€™s nothing bringing them back to AA to tell the tale.

Itโ€™s circular logic that we are told we will relapse if we leave, because the only ones telling us about leaving are the ones who CAME BACK. What about people who slowly distanced over time and whoโ€™s lives are not in shambles as a result?

The only acknowledgement I have heard of this from people in AA is that, well, those people must not have been โ€œreal alcoholics.โ€ I do not think this is true at all. I think itโ€™s a little dangerous to gate-keep the legitimacy of addictionโ€” to say that if youโ€™re a โ€œrealโ€ addict, youโ€™re only hope is AA. And if you can survive without AA, youโ€™re not a โ€œrealโ€ addict.

All this being said, I do not take relapse stories lightly. Im not turning up my nose to the advice about โ€œdoing the work.โ€ I am genuinely scared that if I stop doing the work, if I slip from the program, that I may relapse again. And it bothers me that AA has to instill this fear in people. What happened to, โ€œtake what you need, leave the rest?โ€

Does anyone see what I mean? What do you think of this?

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๐Ÿ‘ค︎ u/MiddleClassroom5744
๐Ÿ“…︎ Jan 02 2022
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