Progressive conservatism Puns

Hey folks, this one's for the slightly older fans who remember when Contrapoints was all about pushing back against the 'rational skeptic' and 'enlightened centrist' narratives that dominated Youtube at the time! Currently undertaking a sobering retrospective on the pop-intellectuals that used to dominate my internet feed and I'm kind of horrified at what in retrospect was a movement of right-wing validation dressed up as enlightened centrism. Seeing where some of these figures I stopped paying attention to years ago support, excuse or obfuscate a violent fascist insurrection in 2021 was shocking!

One thing that still itches at me is why do so many people in the IDW balk at describing themselves as conservatives, an accurate and not particularly derogatory description of their ideology? Sure they might have liberal views on some issues here and there; pro gay marriage, pot legalisation, abortion (but not particularly worried on that front), climate change (ditto), but they devote all of their rhetorical efforts on attacking the left and bolstering right wing talking points. Why not just say that their views have changed and now they are intellectual conservatives?

After all most people on the right are happy to own that; calling themselves conservatives, Republicans etc. What is it about this small subculture of people that will agree with Tucker Carlson on pretty much everything but insist on labelling themselves as closer to who they despise; liberals and the left? I could ask this question just as easily about a leader like Jordan Peterson or one of his followers.

Is it a recruiting tactic for potential followers who come from soft-liberal backgrounds? Or a strategic disarming tactic for opponents to make anyone to the left of them seem like a hysterical extremist? Or a personal denial that's caused from knowing deep down that being a right-wing intellectual gives you a statistically good chance of being part of the problem? All of the above?

Would be very interested in hearing other theories and/or personal experiences with this!

I found online that there's a type of conservatism called: progressive conservatism.

Def. - Progressive conservatism is a political ideology which combines conservative and progressive policies.

How oxymoronic is it or would it be to be a progressive and conservative? What do conservatives think about progressive conservatism?

I think I found an ideology that fits me, but there's not much about it I can find it, you can find the page on this link: https://polcompball.miraheze.org/wiki/Progressive_Conservatism

Any one else who is a ProgCon or knows a lot about being a ProgCon?

To clarify what I mean by "progressive socialist", progressive = I generally support things like BLM, immigration, the idea that gender is socially constructed, etc. and socialist = I think the workers should own the means of production.

Some of the Progressive Conservative platform:

1. National health services.
2. Limits on campaign contributions.
3. Social insurance for the elderly and disabled.
4. Fair wages for women.
5. Registration of lobbyists.
6. Women’s right to vote.
7. Environment

Why did the Republican Party pull away from this?

With no religious veil to hide behind, the Chinese government unabashedly will ban certain ideas as "un-Chinese" and will promote other ideas as "pro-Chinese". Translation? Un-Chinese ideas just so happen to be a bit more progressive and pro-Chinese ideas just so happen to be a bit more conservative. The CCP has no problems promoting conservative ideals so long as they benefit the longevity of the party.

Chinese LGBT youth have no church to hate and no bible to burn. Their families do not reject them because some sky fairy said so. They are rejected because Chinese traditional values want blood descendents to carry on the family line, and with the one child policy, the possibility that your line will make it, becomes zero once your child outs themselves as LGBT.

This prejudice is less than the Middle East and North Africa, where you face certain death, however your family will still reject you and not for some dusty old book or some idiot prophets who supposedly lived model lives, just for the fact that as LGBT, you are no longer seen as being valuable to your family and your clan.

Edit: for the people who are quick to blame Chinese prejudice on the communist "dictatorship", you've obviously not read my OP in its entirety and have ignored my central argument, which is that culture more so than politics or religion is a bigger barrier to LGBT acceptance.

Simply stating that China is not a democracy and therefore people there have no "freedom" is very culturally ignorant. It's putting a label on 1/5th of the global population and saying that because they are not like "us", they must be bigoted arseholes. No they are not like the west, and no this does not make them bigoted arseholes.

He talks about the black side, that's blatant racism and he is not even black, IMO that in itself needs a two match ban and more in any western . Talking about women as woh teri, yeh meri as if he owns the women is also pretty demeaning. This is the attitude that glorifies chauvinism, this is not a case of some progressive stuff being talked down. Hardik's attitude was very old-school, chauvinistic, involved racial appropriation and was just bad.

Let's not even go into the topic of these guys opening themselves to blackmail with these shenanigans

Many on the left claim people on the right are ignorant or mis/un-educated because they are not well rounded when it comes to their sources of information, or the diversity of the people they associate with daily.

I am a moderate conservative that spends 90% of my time reading traditional media or left-wing media sources. I also read academic studies that progressives writers refer to or any I can find that interest me. I watch only one show on Fox News, Laura Ingram, and I do not frequent any conservative social media Reddit sub or other conservative social media.

I have followed this path for decades and with every passing year, I grow more confident the left is wrong far more than they are right. One of the primary reason for the left being so often misguided is the problem of not seeking multiple views on each issue. When they do seek conservative outlets they seek and read the biggest idiots the right has to offers (as referred by other progressives, and decide they represent conservative thinking.

I understand there are studies on the areas of study self-affirmation and Cultural Cognition that predict even in a negative article about one's views, most people will try to find the tiny piece to confirm they are correct and the article is wrong. Maybe I do this, but I try hard not. So much that the left believes is just unworkable in my opinion, and they often get their facts wrong.

Note about me -I was not a 2016 Trump voter because he is a buffoon and his rhetoric embarrasses me as a Republican. (I voted for an independent) I thought Trump would be a disaster but liked many of his campaign themes.

My view now is I really like his stances on most issues. Sometimes a bad man can be a good king. (quote from some old fiction book I read.)

I still think he is a buffoon, has the temperament of a 12-year-old, panics too easy, is too thin-skinned, his rhetoric can be horribly divisive, he isn't a racist but doesn't care if his words hurt people, he lacks curiosity, based on some tweetstorms I think he may do some type of amphetamine drugs on the weekends and is he basically dishonest.

I would not want him as a friend, neighbor, boss, partner or co-worker, but I may vote for him as President in 2020. His gut instincts are often right and I like his stances on policies, though at times my reasons are completely different than the case he makes.

(Example, I don't think illegal immigrants are primarily murderers and rapist, they are mostly good peopl