Tolkien knew real love and from the love of his towards his wife he made a story about two people who loved eachother, but I really can't judge if what Beren and Lúthien felt for eachother would be classified as 'real love' by those who know what it is.

My age is below 20, and as a small child I was in a relationship that lasted about a year. That's all the experience that I have on this matter. So I want to ask someone experienced here who has felt real love and I want to know if when you read the story of Beren and Lúthien you think to yourselves "I can relate, Tolkien shows he knew what true love means".

Or does the relationship between Beren and Lúthien show rather unrealistic and "fake" love like that of fairy tales?

I have read all the suggested lists yet I have yet to find a definitive answer regarding where to proceed after finishing The Silmarillion. I saw that Unfinished Tales contains quite a bit of material pertaining to Túrin and so forth so should I start with Unfinished and skip this section and then proceed to The Children of Húrin? Any help is appreciated, thanks!

While looking at the official Tolkien bookstore, I just discovered that the recent three books were published in deluxe slipcase editions. They are listed at 75 pounds, and on ebay I see around 80 USD. That's a pretty hefty price, but man, I'd love to have these. (for the Beren edition, see here: https://www.tolkien.co.uk/products/beren-and-luthien-deluxe-slipcase-edition-j-r-r-tolkien-alan-lee-9780008214203/)

Before I tempt myself further, I'm curious about the quality of these. Has anyone here bought one or all three of them? Do you think it's worth the price? Are they well made?

Okay I know the title is semi vague, I just didn’t want it to be too long.

Basically, my favorite part of the story of Beren and Lúthien is the conversation in Menegroth when Beren is introduced to Thingol. The back and forth is so awesome to me, the thought processes and the way they use each other’s arguments against each other always gets me hyped up. When the stand alone book came out a year or two ago that Christopher Tolkien edited, I was super excited, partly because of the long poetic form portions that were going to be in it. I was super pumped, and was getting excited as I was reading the poem version and it was getting closer to my favorite part. Then he cut to the summary narrative and continued the poetic form later. I was so sad, until I discovered that the poetic form of that scene in particular is in the History! I was happy to finally enjoy it.

Anyway, just wanted to share that experience. Anyone know how Christopher chose which parts were kept poetic and which weren’t? Anyone else have a favorite part of any of Tolkien’s stories?

Lately i got interested in following Tolkien's Universe. When i decided to buy and read The Hobbit, it was out of stock and Beren and Lúthien caught my eye. I thought it's a standalone book and i thought 'i'm gonna start with this book.' After reading the book halfway, i googled for fun and found out that it is strongly recommended to go with the trilogy first, then i felt really bad lol. It was a good read tho :D.

So what should i read next and have i read unecessary spoilers in beren and luthien that would ruin my experience with the trilogy? I fear that there would be lots of spoilers in my head already :((

Hi all. I remember a very specific piece of artwork of Lúthien and Beren stealing the Silmaril from Morgoth's crown, but now cannot find it for the life of me. It was done in an Indian, Hindi art style, very stylised characters, and it was in portrait. Lúthien is on Morgoth's lap while Beren sneaks from behind (or above) with a knife.

I think the issue is that whoever originally posted it didn't say it was Lúthien and Beren (although it clearly is), and so I can't find it in relation to those search terms.

Any help would be appreciated.

Edit:

#I found it.

The sneaky bastards called him Melkor, even though that name would never be uttered again on Arda. I reuploaded to Imgur:

https://imgur.com/gallery/mXxwSmq

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I'll edit in pictures later, still no internet and I'm in a rush. Thanks for the continuing support everyone!

Everything seems to be going well in Beleriand. The Elves are strong and fortified and Men are numerous. Fingolfin however realizes that Morgoth is free to do as he will and is unguarded in the North. He turns his thought to a new assault but none save Angrod and Aegnor listen.

While the Eldar waited, Morgoth had all the time he needed to prepare an assault. 455 years after to coming of Fingolfin, Morgoth sent great rivers of flame across the land destroying all in its path. The green plain of Ard-galen became a desert of dust known as Anfauglith. The mountains of Hithlum and Dorthonion stop the flames, but Angrod and Aegnor and many of the northern men are slain. So begins the Battle of Sudden Flame: Dagor Bragollach.

The battle is almost entirely in Morgoth's favor. The North is badly defeated with Elves and Men fleeing south. Finrod Felagund is surrounded and only escapes due to the daring of Barahir and his men of the House of Beor. Finrod gives Barahir his ring as a token of loyalty and friendship to his house. The Sons of Feanor have a hard time and though none are slain, many are forced to flee. Maedhros is able to hold the Pass of Aglon in the East and Hithlum remains unconquered in the West thus protecting the South for the time being.

However such are the losses of the Noldor that Fingolfin loses hope and rides alone with incredible fury to Angband. Fingolfin pounds on the doors and blows his horn taunting Morgoth to come forth in single combat. "And Morgoth came."

Morgoth is shamed into fighting as he could not deny the challnge in front of his forces. He passes the doors clad in black with a great shield and hammer. Fingolfin wounds Morgoth seven times with his sword and when Morgoth finally beats Fingolfin to the ground, he hews his foot permanently crippling him before he dies. Thus ends Fingolfin, High King of the Noldor. Thorondor Lord of Eagles comes and slashes Morgoth's face, buying enough time to take Fingolfin's body to Turgon in Gondolin with an account of the events. Fingon then becomes High King.

Barahir, who saved Finrod during the battle, along with his son Beren and 11 other men are all tha

My girlfriend absolutely adores lord of the rings, (so do i, but not as much as her by any means) but she's never read any of those, i was wondering which one to get her, as a tester to see if she likes them. Any input is greatly appreciated.

"Florence" comes from the latin verb Florens, Florentis, meaning "to blossom".

Lúthien comes from lúth, blossom, and -ien, daughter.

Tinúviel has its own etymology but also is literally the word for nightingale.

Just thought it was a fun coincidence.

Sam, Frodo, Gandalf, and Lúthien herself all have some interesting parallels/connections/common points of interest when it comes to the use of words of power.

Sam & Frodo’s combined efforts are enough to break the ‘spell’ which is designed to prevent their escape from 'The Watchers' at Cirith Ungol. In the moments immediately following the breaking of the spell, the archway above the gate is destroyed.

This put me in mind of Lúthien’s destruction of Sauron’s tower when she went to rescue Beren, and also of the destruction of the door of the chamber of Mazarbul when Gandalf first encountered the Balrog. Read more here.

I've read the Tale of Beren and Luthien a few months ago, and let me just say that as much as I enjoyed the story, the poetry was what gripped me. After reading the poem, I felt a much more emotional bond (in a sense) with the actual story.

Having experienced that, I then lent it to a friend on the basis of their love of poetry. However, this person seems to be at odds with the book. They maintain that they do not understand the love between Beren and Luthien. He sees her dance, likes how she sings, and then proclaims to love her. Luthien simply enjoys the attention and his obsession. This person's understanding is that their love is purely superficial.

My understanding of their love is similar in a sense. Yes, they do fall in love, but after a period of time which I consider to be an unconventional courtship. She is privy to his watching, she enjoys it and slowly she allows him to come closer. Also, they are of two different races, which means that beauty standards may not be the same and that love transcends all boundaries (bit of a stretch here, but there are many, many boundaries in the literal and figurative sense that will be overcome in the story). On the aspect of love being superficial, isn't almost all love superficial? To paraphrase Rodney Dangerfield, "how many times you go out and see a tall, handsome guy walking arm in arm with a short, fat ugly girl? I never seen that". All I'm saying is, yeah, love is superficial at first in most cases. You can't tell a person's character immediately and have an inherent understanding with them.

I'm unsure if any of you agree or disagree with me, but I look forward to any and all input :) if there are any points I've missed or misunderstood, please feel free to let me know, I'm always looking to improve ^_^/

Does anyone else think Beren and Luthien would make a great stand alone movie? You don’t need an excessive amount of backstory to understand the context, and it’s such a beautiful and well crafted story in its own right. So many interesting and unique things happen on a classic love story that is one of the most powerful I’ve ever read, and what’s more is that the female character is extremely nuanced and interesting (despite being written 80+ years ago). The thing is, Luthien is an actual badass FEMININE protagonist. Female protagonists in modern stories are so often the gritty tomboy (not necessarily bad, just very common), and the characters that are feminine are mostly love interest side characters that can barely fend for themselves. Beren and Luthien are properly equal, having each other’s backs throughout the story. This is just a recurring thought that I have and I wanted to see what my fellow Tolkien fans think.

Did Galadriel know Lúthien?

The reason I ask is in Fellowship in the chapter A Knife in the Dark, Strider says

>“I will tell you the tale of Tinúviel,” said Strider, “in brief - for it is a long tale of which the end is not known; and there are none now, except Elrond, that remember it aright as it was told of old”

It’s surprising to me that Galadriel would stay in Doriath, know Melian, and not know Melian’s daughter or even at least what happened to her.

Certainly if Elrond knows his family history, Galadriel who was alive at the time would as well?

In the final stage of the Yestal's bones event chain, I usually avoid sending my swords off to Gods-know-where with Elmal. After many playthroughs I decided to give it a go, and ended up being moved by the special text and paternal affection that Yatakan shows to Beren before he achieves his dream of fighting by his God's side. I think the loss of Yatakan is worth the legendary quality this adds to the clan's saga, and flavours the mechanical aspect of him passing the torch to Beren (literally becoming the new Elmal devotee on the clan ring and potentially the new chief). Reminded me why I love this game so much; the narrative depths and details!

Not sure if this has been asked, but why were these two books just collections of unfinished drafts but Children of Hurin was a complete narrative? Was Hurin just closer to completion when Tolkien died? I haven’t read any of them. Are they all worth reading?

So I've been reading all the middle earth books and I'm getting close to finishing them all now. I just finished unfinished tales and I'm most likely going to go onto Beren and Luthien, but I'm just a bit worried it won't be as fun a read as the others. I will read it regardless but I'm just deciding whether to go into that next or something like the fall of gondolin or tales from the perilous realm or something else, thanks guys

I'm currently reading The Silmarillion and plan to read COH, B&L, and FOL. If I'm going to read Beren and Luthien do I need to read the chapter on them in The Silmarillion or can I just skip it?

Also, should I read the Silmarillion first?