Female queen (drag) Puns

Hello folks!

In the run up to Drag Race UK Series 3, the mod team has noticed a significant uptick in what has always been an unfortunate misogynistic presence in the drag community: Those who do not believe that cis women, such as contestant Victoria Scone, have a place in the drag scene.

There are many reasons why this point of view is unacceptable. Let's lay out a few of them here:

• The purpose of drag is not always to present as the opposite gender. On Drag Race alone we've had many Snatch Game performances by now where cis male drag queens played male characters. Drag Race as a whole is in fact very non-representative of the diversity of the general drag scene. In regular big city scenes it's common to see women performing as drag queens or kings, trans entertainers of all kinds and so on. Drag Race has been the centre of many controversies for choosing NOT to depict these types of performers for some time now.

• Women belong in queer spaces. The lesbian bar is a dying breed, with few of these existing in major cities such as London and New York while male-only events are far more common occurrences at gay bars around the world. It is very easy for gay men to use "a need for male spaces" as an excuse for misogynist behaviour, especially when male spaces are far more plentiful than female ones in the LGBT community. Drag Race is itself a queer space. Many queer women are viewers. Many read this subreddit. Many are in the comment section with you right now. Please respect people's right to feel safe in queer spaces such as this, or else you could face a ban from the subreddit.

• Victoria Scone is NOT a straight woman. It is a common tactic by those who wish to minimise queer women's contribution to the art of drag by labelling them as straight before they even know anything about the queen they are shading. Victoria Scone identifies as a lesbian, and any comments minimising this will be met with a time-out. No other contestant to have ever been on the show so far has had to deal with the assumption that they are a straight person "sullying" a queer space, and it is not acceptable to begin doing this with the show's first cis female contestant.

• There are many users who have pointed out that they are ok with trans women participating regardless of their sexuality but not with cis women competing regardless of their sexuality. This frame of mind is underhandedly transphobic, placing trans women into a different bracket than cis women. Another issu

Having more testosterone than trans women but still getting called "she" and being fetishized for their feminine features.

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They could be the most obnoxious, narcissistic cunt this side of the Mississippi but if they tuck it between their legs or take it up the poop chute its "yasssss queen slayyyy" and "you go gurl"

Its 2019. Sucking dick is fine. Being an asshole isnt.

EDIT: people seem to be confusing me with a bigot. I hold nothing against a person for their sexuality. I specifically mention drag queens because they tend to be the embodiment of what I'm talking about (see Trixie and Katya on Unhhhh). Yes, they are putting on a show, yes I think that's fine and entertaining but no, I do NOT think it's okay that a fair portion of gay dudes use this kind of behavior to get away with being narcissistic assholes. I did a bad job specifying my opinion, that's what happens when I write a post on the loo at work. Sorry.

I don't just mean the characters they portray. If a character is supposed to be female, it makes sense to refer to them as such, regardless of the actor's gender. But I've noticed that more and more, people tend to refer to the performers themselves using female pronouns, and treating them as if they identified as female even when they're not in character, despite the fact that they don't. After all, women dressing as women, no matter what style they use, wouldn't be in drags, would they?

It's especially confusing to me because if it's supposed to be supportive of Trans people, it seems rather backwards, as it implies that self-identification is irrelevant, only the way society perceives you is, and/or that your gender is determined by your clothing or physical appearance, and by which gender roles you adhere to, which is exactly what Trans people are fighting against.

Aside from that, even if you ignore identity politics and gender issues altogether, you're still left with people treating an actor as if they were their character, which I find weird in the first place.

So is something going over my head that would help me understand?

EDIT: In case it' not clear enough, I'm specifically asking why people do it when the performer is out of character. As mentioned above, it makes perfect sense to refer to the character as a woman.

Drag queens are typically sexualized caricatures of women and NO CHILD should be exploited in this way. It’s borderline pedophilia at best.

Before I hear the argument, “not all drag queens”... ok sure not ALL drag queens. But, the reference to sexualization is literally in the definition of “drag queen”

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/drag%20queen

Merriam Webster says... drag queen noun Definition of drag queen : a usually gay man who dresses as a woman and performs as an entertainer especially to caricature stereotypically vampish women

vamp noun (1) \ ˈvamp Definition of vamp (Entry 1 of 4) : a woman who uses her charm or wiles to seduce and exploit men

It is neither “progressive” nor somehow “nuanced” to promote the overt/covert sexualization of children. And, if you think this is somehow good for the children being exploited in this way, or somehow good for society in general, you’re wrong.

Lastly, being part of the LGBT movement does not mean you have to accept this crap. There are limits. Limits are good. And extending the LGBT movement to include child drag queens is bad for society.

(Side note: those who are saying, “this is not unpopular” I just wanted to add I was just downvoted in another subreddit for posting what is basically the same viewpoint. Figured I’d field the viewpoint here to see if it is actually unpopular.

https://www.reddit.com/r/quityourbullshit/comments/b5hdbk/the_lgbt_community_doesnt_approve_of_it_either/ejdlaak/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app )

So, after now watching all 12 series of Rupaul's drag race and falling hopelessly in love with Drag Queens and what you represent in this world, I have a few questions.

I'm female and EVERY TIME I shave, I get a rash. How on earth do you all manage it? What do you use? I'm too scared to even wear a short skirt. I have naturally thick black hair which grows back super fast. Doesn't exactly make me feel very womanly.

Secondly, skin care. You beautiful people wear so much makeup so I wondered if you have particular products or routines you use to keep your skin looking lovely?

Thank you so much in advance!! Love to you all

I think females should be able ti be drag queens as well. Simply because it is fun to do and dress up and perform. I beleive drag queens shouldnt be gender specific to men. Although they absolutely damn rock it, but simply sayimg it appropriates gay culture is kind of odd in my opinion, and take this from a leabian Myself. I dont think its a culture per say to even appropriate. Its a performance that people love. And if a women loves to do it she should be allowed, without being called a faux queen.

It also had a guy that kinda looked like Lin Manuel Miranda, but I dont think it was on purpose.

I personally beleive that it is not a problem and I feel like anyone of any gender should be able to participate if it is something they are passuonaye about and love doing. Some people say that it appropriates gay culture , but i honestly don't understand thay because there are alot of drag queens that arent even gay , as well as i domt even think its part if gay culture to begin with . I feel like females should be able to participate if they really love it, and not be called faux queens.

Open question.

My wife got me into watching Rue Paul’s Dragrace and I actually enjoyed it, except for a few contestants in which annoyed me or I simply despised as a human being. But I always get confused on the gender terminology, I like to think of drag queens as a metaphorical caterpillar to a butterfly. Or mythical beings like a changeling or shapeshifter, because let’s be honest as dudes some of them are kinda homely but then as a Queen they can get the two syllable “day-yum”.

I get that every Queen will be different, obviously, but what is the general rule so to say? Dudes when dudes and chicks when chicks? Cause that’s how I treat it.

P.s. let’s not get into the whole gender identity discussion past drag queens cause much like many of the other big topics I may not agree with it entirely but I’m not going to tell someone what or how to feel. Thanks in advance.

I have a YouTube channel and want to do a video answering questions about drag and specifically being a female in the drag industry. While I only have a couple of videos on my channel right now, I plan to work on it over the summer since I've been swamped with college classes. I've been a drag king for a year now and feel like I learned a lot in just a year.

If you wish to know my information about my drag I'll give it upon request, but for now, I just want questions about being involved with the community.

Two women with strong accents in colorful/childish clothing host an all female tv show for kids that teaches children about female masturbation. Three drag queens in vagina costumes represent the vaginas. At one point they all dance to represent masturbation.

Hi y'all! Im female, queer (or at least i think so, sexuality is difficult help) and i love doing drag. I went to some shows (i loved drag before that tho) and met a queen who offered me to be her drag daughter after she got to know me. Of course, I was very happily accepting the offer since ive only been doing drag at home and performing for myself. I have a full drag character, a signature over exaggerated makeup look and wardrobe. I was happy to finally start performing until i realized how much hate against afab queens there actually is. After the rupaul "scandal" so many people expressed how they think about female queens, also in my local queer spaces, and its mostly not positive. I feel completely invalid as drag queen and i dont even know if females can do drag anymore, if it really is drag. To all the drag queens, whats your opinion on this issue? Is it mostly the fans who are against it

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I'm in no way calling myself a queen. I love doing drag makeup and can turn out a good lip sync... but I'm female. I don't want to offend anyone, and I only dance for fun, but can I realistically go to drag events and lip sync? Do actual, real drag queens find this offensive? I need to know

Yeah,the title pretty much sums it up. I'm a happily married woman that is seriously sexually attracted to drag Queens. I love the performance art of drag I've been to drag shows my husband has even took me. I love everything about it but I've always been confused as to why I'm sexually attracted to some of them. My husband really doesn't know that part of it because I feel he would be weirded out. I guess I'm just trying to figure out if this is common. I have lesbian friends that feel similar but why 🤔

Drag queens/male to female transgender people are hugely popular with young females at the moment (RuPaul's Drag Race, Jefree Star as examples).

Why is this?

I'm curious. I know some like Alaska and Willam are for it, but I don't hear many taking about it.

Random question but I am going to be dressing as a drag queen soon and want to know if there are any shops in the greater Brisbane region where I can buy womens clothing to be worn by a larger built dude. The thing i'm having most trouble with are shoes (heels) for mens sizes like mens 14/15 - but also if there are drag/trans friendly clothing/shoe stores around. Sluttier clothes preferred (low cut, short skirts, fishnet etc).

Also any other general advice for a first timer would be fab thanks

Isn't a drag queen a guy dressed up as a girl?