Coriolanus is a person whose intentions can easily be misinterpreted since many times there is a dissonance between his actions and his thoughts, for example it is normal for Sejanus and his family to think that Snow is his best friend since on the outside it seems that he is the only boy that he has the decency not to mess with him in addition to that over the years he has acted as his confidant and has been understanding with him, of course we as readers know thanks to being able to read Snow's mind that he did not really bully Sejanus when he met him like the rest of his classmates simply on a whim and that over the years he had simply tried to be cordial and polite with him, not really having a true friendship as Sejanus believed (Besides that he has a grudge against him because his family now has the wealth that his family had lost)
Another example of this part of Snow's mindset is reflected in his lab partner, lo jasper, of whom he literally says
>Nothing like that whiz Io Jasper, who seemed to have been born with a microscope attached to her eye. He was always gracious to Io, though, and as a result, she adored him. With unpopular people, such a minor effort went a long way
And although it seems that there are people for whom he genuinely feels some affection (or at least that is what his thoughts tell us) we always have to wait to read his thoughts to know if an action has been genuine or an act and there are even occasions in the that he himself does not seem to understand why he does things, if it is for one reason or another
So what do you think they should do to convey this on film or do you think they just can't?
I quite liked Fiennes portrayal, have seen Disiru at all. JI've heard Hiddleston was pretty solid maybe?.
so im at the part in which sejanus is telling him about the rebels and he started recording with the jabberjay, then he started doing everything to stop sejanus to go through with the plan because he knew trying to convince him wouldn't work. but why do you think he didn't just let sejanus go? he himself thought that sejanus probably wouldn't even survive winter. he got in more trouble killing Mayfair that he would've just by letting him go without interfering with his plan.
(excuse my English it isn't my first language)
Which is the better play? If you were on a desert island and had to choose one of these two, what would it be?
his entire turn to evil was just, "i don't like this bird, therefore i become murderous" it's so fitting for a sociopathic horror like we see in the original trilogy
This trailer is all I could find of it online so I wanted let some you folks know about this film. If you are a fan of Shakespeare, Ralph Fiennes or Gerard Butler, check this out.
The Tabard Theatre Company in San Jose, CA has a fantastic adaptation of Coriolanus up right now called "Cry of Curs" and it's available to livestream anywhere.
It's done with just 3 actors on stage: Martius, Volumnia and Menenius, and all the other characters are integrated into the show using video & projections. Really cool stuff.
Disclosure: I work for this company, but it really is an amazing show and I thought folks here might be interested in checking it out, especially since you can watch from anywhere.
More info at https://tabardtheatre.org/cry-of-curs/
Edit: ok, so I thought I was posting production photos when I posted this but apparently not. Anyway, we've just added a bunch of photos to the webpage, and they say way more than I could, so check it out.
After he’s exiled from Rome, his family tries to intercede for Rome before he’s to lead the Volscians in attacking the city. They seem to act as though they will die if Coriolanus doesn’t back down, which is enough to change his mind, along with all of his mother’s shaming. Why didn’t he just tell them to stay with him in the first place? Why didn’t they join him in exile?
I had read in The Great Stage by Richard Heilman that Shakespeare uses theme to inspire structure by, for example, making King Lear's figurative blindness literal in the blinding of Gloucester.
Reading Coriolanus, I was struck by a repetition in butterfly imagery. In a story told on-stage, Coriolanus' son literally pursues a butterfly and then rips it apart. Coriolanus is then figuratively compared to "boys pursuing butterflies" as he approaches Rome.
Perhaps another example is Hamlet. He figuratively "faces death" in the "To be or not to be" speech, while later he literally faces death when he holds up Yorick's skull.
I'm curious if there are other instances. I'd imagine there would be an example in other major tragedies like Macbeth, Othello and Antony & Cleopatra. What do you think?
So I was originally going to adapt Coriolanus into a musical per Oscar Hammerstein II’s advice to start with a play you like. I got too bogged down in the research and ended up not liking the project enough to continue on, but I did write two songs (one complete, lyrics only for the other).
Quick context for those who haven’t read the play: Famine and riots plague the newborn Roman Republic. Decorated soldier Caius Marcius has singlehandedly held back the invading Volsces at the city of Corioli, earning him the title Coriolanus. While the patricians are eager to award him the consulship, the tribunes are convinced he will crush the people into slavery and plot to remove him from the city. Meanwhile, Coriolanus himself bristles at politics, and only wishes to serve his country and keep his mother, Volumnia, happy.
The opener (“Fortune’s Face”) is an ensemble piece meditating on the fleeting nature of fame, and the dangers of standing in the way of change (the central problem of Coriolanus, a man who refuses to accept a society that rejects him).
Lyrics: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EvVBJlFM69pamy8zw2x2pbFa-eDT4lhylyMMBbzKnvg/edit
Demo: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dDIAs6Yayo3hNpbkNqEb-ITiXiKCFMOn/view?usp=drivesdk (I recorded this on my iPhone and have no experience with audio mixing, so be warned)
Piano Accompaniment Musescore: https://musescore.com/user/36384021/scores/6836929?share=copy_link
The other song, “Constellation of Scars,” requires a little more context: Volumnia and Coriolanus’ wife, Virgilia, wait at his house at night, watching the horizon for the return of the Roman army. Volumnia begins to tell Virgilia stories of the wounds her son won in previous wars, but Virgilia is sickened by the thought of her husband bloodied and broken. Volumnia then sings a paean to honor and the nobility of pain, defying her daughter in law to deny her son’s glory.
Lyrics: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XK2eC95lQGH_2DsIIMGoCula8i5G6qy5OjSg8Q7anto/edit
Should I continue with the project? I feel it’d be easier than working on an original story. Please let me know what you think!
Hello all, is there any way to stream or get a DVD copy of Coriolanus here in the States? I remember watching it when the playhouse’s website had it available years ago, and I’d like to watch it again.
So, I decided that it was time for a reread of BSS and going through it, I really was focusing on the question of whether or not there was a drastic evolution of President Snow throughout the book, or if it was just time for him to show his true colors.
After going through it all again, despite his many flaws, I don't think that the evil, manipulative person was ever the destiny for young Coriolanus Snow.
It seems as though he was working hard trying to return his family to the prestige they once enjoyed.
I feel as though his whole evolution came down to the way you would answer the question Dr. Gaul asked, "why do we have the hunger games?"
Early on, it seems clear that his answer was as control, show they have power, etc. But, I think as soon as he went to rescue Sejanus and beat Bobbin to a pulp, he realized that there was something to what Dr. Gaul said, they are all animalistic.
His behavior while giving Lucy Gray the ability to sneak rat poison and protecting her from snakes still wasn't a sign of evil in the future. While this was ultimately helping to dictate his future with control, it's hard to see this as a sign of evil, since he wasn't trying to make more kids die, just tweak the outcome of which. But, it does show a step down the path to his change.
A new step down the path of change seems to come as he is a peacekeeper and finds out that the man Arlo had blown an explosive. He admits to not really seeing why the man did it, but Coryo is sure that it was stupid and pointless. This is the moment where I see the true change coming. In this minor moment, he sees the potential chaos, he sees that everything is so fragile, and he feels as though he can't be in this situation anymore.
Then, the obvious comes. He kills Mayfair for the potential problem she could cause, even when his involvement could be explained away. Then, he reports Sejanus to clear his path to his new life, although still under the guise of protection. Then, the moment with Lucy Gray where he realizes that he can absolutely wipe his life clean and move on to a new place with nothing haunting him. This is the moment where I think he turns the corner from just trying to manipulate situations to truly losing any moral compass. I think here is where he fully buys in to what Dr. Gaul says; people are animalistic by nature. He chooses to attack her for no reason other than his own personal game. He doesn't feel like she'll rat him out, he just will do anything
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Any type of empathy I felt for him when he expressed remorse following Sejanus' death (good god, I've never been this rattled by a character death in a book before) was completely obliterated by the way he took advantage of the Plinth's upon his return to the Capitol. This was different from when he was willing to get some money of Strabo after being practically forced to rescue Sejanus from the arena. Their time in district 12 made them brothers.
It is impossible to exagerate how underrated this play is. It should be in all 10 lists but I have never seen it in a single one. Even I myself heard about this play only last week. And I have only finished reading it just now. To my mind, Coriolanus up there with hamlet, Macbeth and midsummer night's dream. I would like to make this a platform for discussing this marvelous play. Any insight or analysis (whether it be about the charecters or themes) is welcomed here.
PS: I have just come to realise that today is the bard's birthday and I read this play today. I mean, what are the chances.
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So he betrays Lucy at the end, and when I finished the book, I hated him so much that I think it ruined the book for me, not in a bad way, but in a way that I wouldn't be able to reread it because of how much I disdain Snow, but the more I think about it, the more I pity him.
I think Coryo transformation to President Snow started while he's in the district, although the seeds have been planted before that, he's always thinking about Dr. Gaul's teaching in there, about chaos, control, and social contracts, and his paranoia runs wild there too, with Sejanus's lies, and his concern about Sejanus proven to be true.
I don't think Coryo ever tried to kill Sejanus, he's a Capitol boy, barely a young adult, and in his mind, they never really have a problem with the government, and if they did, the punishment is not severe, just like when Sejanus enters the arena, his father could just buy his way out of it. Even before he recorded Sejanus voice, he thought if he doesn't confess, he just have to report him to their superior himself, he didn't think it would be such a big deal, but after he record Sejanus voice, he regretted it, and he thought he should go and try to erase it, but convince himself that no one gonna listen to it, and even if they did, it'll be in Sejanus best interest because Sejanus will dig himself deeper and deeper while he's in the district, but even after this, he still have nightmares about him killing Sejanus, which came true, and when it did, we didn't see his reaction as cold, but rather sad, he cried for Sejanus, and everyone else, he even called himself monster for that.
And I think that's why Coryo tried to tune it out, tune the pain of killing Sejanus out by maybe blaming him for lying to him, that's why he got trust issues, he's traumatized by it, which ultimately lead to him hunting down Lucy. But even the night before that happens, he still thought that even if he have to die, Lucy will live on. The reason why he hunted Lucy is that he thought she's dangerous, that she might have manipulated him, and will try to kill him, but even then, he still tried to fight the paranoia backs, and the best he could do is to lower his guard, and sheath his weapon, he called out for her so he can speak to him (although I'm not sure if she did come out, it'll end any better), and even in this state, he still felt guilty about abandoning her, and when he spotted that she dropped her scarf, he imagined if she's there, she would tease him that she wou
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Very visually disturbing but not gratuitous violence and Vanessa Redgrave gives an incredible performance. Anyone else seen this one?
I love the duality between him and some of the other characters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a Shakespearian or a history scholar, I just have too much time to think during quarantine.
Coriolanus is a play about democracy, written under a time of totalitarian rule. As a modern audience, it's easy to see Caius Martius as a anti-democratic, near-dictator who holds contempt for the masses but at the same time he has heroic qualities: He is wrathful but powerful, and humble before power corrupts him. His foes, the Tribune's of the people, are written to be devious but in modern eyes they are also the only ones seeing the dangers of Martius' aggression and pride early on. Was the audience meant to sympathize with Martius' as a man before his time as he rages against democracy and the rule of people?
Or, was he a gray character already in the 1600hundreds? He chides the people openly for being fickle and untrustworthy, and most people watching the plays would be commoners and offended by his outbursts, right?
What do you guys think?
The fact that he couldn't see her and that he started shooting randomly until he finished the bulletts made me think that It was all in his mind,we all can agree that at that point of the book he was already becoming the crazy man that he is in the original three books
I love the idea of putting the classic tragedies in the anachronic (out of time) setting with the original details like names and events kept untouched.
If you know any other movies like this, please share the name. Personally I know only Coriolanus (2011, directed/written/starring Ralph Fiennes) and Richard III (1995, starring Ian McKellen), both are highly recommended!
“Why don’t you take your library card and fuck off.” Loved this moment. I assume it’s a subtle nod to Brian Cox’s roles in various Shakespeare productions. He was actually in a film adaptation of Coriolanus in 2011.
> Shakespeare’s searing tragedy of political manipulation and revenge, Coriolanus features an Evening Standard Award-winning performance from Tom Hiddleston (The Avengers, War Horse (film), BBC's The Hollow Crown) in the title role, directed by the Donmar's Artistic Director Josie Rourke. The full company includes Jacqueline Boatswain, Peter De Jersey, Alfred Enoch, Deborah Findlay, Hadley Fraser, Mark Gatiss, Birgitte Hjort Sørensen, Elliot Levey, Rochenda Sandall, Helen Schlesinger, Mark Stanley and Dwane Walcott.
> When an old adversary threatens Rome, the city calls once more on her hero and defender: Coriolanus. But he has enemies at home too. Famine threatens the city, the citizens’ hunger swells to an appetite for change, and on returning from the field Coriolanus must confront the march of realpolitik and the voice of an angry people.
Includes hard coded English subtitles.
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