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I hang out in LeftTube circles and recently I've been seeing a lot of people talking about there being controversy regarding ContraPoints. I don't actually watch her content, though? I've also seen some people talking about her and Abigail Thorn, a creator I do watch, and I'm... very confused. Does anyone know what's going on? What are people upset about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN5Bl2NU3lo The comments here especially, this is what prompted me to ask.

Someone posted this in the comments of a thread on r/PhilosophyTube and thought people here might be interested in seeing it. I didn't get to go as it was too far to travel but seeing this makes me wish I was there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYC1QEhVMNI

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I have a hot take to deliver. Abigail’s coming-out video provides a window into the complex relationship between white consumption of nonwhite narratives. And on a loosely connected note, the real answer to Breadtube’s currently ongoing biannual reckoning of “why do we only have the white people” should not be “WELL I GUESS WE’LL NEVER KNOW’, but “y’all have eyes and ears, don’t you?”

Okay, now that we’ve gotten the take to the proper boil, let’s throw some rice on in and take this puppy down to a mild simmer. Abigail’s coming-out video was excellent. It was moving, impassioned, creatively staged, and highly informative. As a video, it represented Breadtube at its absolute best, much in the same way as how Abigail represents the best of Breadtube creators. My reaction was complex, but that speaks more to the broader situation of Breadtube and my own personal identity. By all accounts, Abigail’s video accomplished everything it set out to do with flying colors, doing so with all the articulateness and empathy for which she is known.

But I am desi. We do not make rice by tossing in the grains and letting them be. Oh no, ask any Bengali auntie. The dish has to be stirred, or else it just doesn’t turn out quite right. Come here, Babu, hold the spoon, stir for me. Why do I have a strong man in the house if he will not use his muscles?

So let’s stir. And in doing so, let’s use Abigail’s video as a jumping-off point to explore the broader interaction between creator and audience in Breadtube specifically, and why that relationship tends to be enjoyed more by white people. I’d like to share my personal reaction to her video with you. I hope you will come out of this with a more nuanced sense of things, one which encompasses not just Abigail’s full complexity as an individual, but also the inescapable potential for people to be complex in so many different ways.

I am complex. Well no I’m actually quite simple. I

Not a question, but thought I could maybe share this here.

https://youtu.be/FG-TrnwH4iQ

https://youtu.be/AITRzvm0Xtg

i loved "abby's" videos because "she" was the only man on the internet that i could look up to. all other male youtubers are evil rapists, but philosophy tube was different. i looked up to her. i wanted to be like her.

i don't have any positive male role models left. i guess this proves that all men really are bad. guess i have to transition now

https://youtu.be/AITRzvm0Xtg

I hope this video is something of an inspiration for people on here. They don't allow video posts on r/trans, so I moved here. It's a profoundly moving video, you may need tissues...

So, I Tried, who knows if that shit worked, to post,

The Ethics of AI in Warfare | Lecture, By Abigail Thorn

Under the Headline,

The Ethics of AI in Warfare | Lecture| Abigail, née Olliver Thorn| apropos Collapse, 2nd Level, I'd Recommend a Synthetic Consideration of, "Depersoning," and, "Legalize it all," Dan Baum, Harpers, Apr. 2016, and the inference, "what if the Deperson. Parties," are too many, or, 'necessary,' Persons

...and I gotta be real with you, "Abigail, née Olliver Thorn," Look, I respect Her a Lot, and I just Did Not Want the Presentation of Such a Good Job, That She Should Be Proud Of, to Have Even the murmur, of, "His Name Abigail?" nor did I want to Misgender Her, again, in the public presentation of something, Real Good and Important She Should be Proud of, Just, I've got a lot of respect for Her and it's something I'd want to blesghetti, to the In-Gang, even if I'd found a more elegant dimension to frame things in, just, to express myself, o.k. now having done so, read that again, for Past the Flowers?

That's the, "Full and Original Statement," and it's a Little Bookish, it's a Lot Wordy, it's some shit that can pack some Gulags, Liebe, this is weapon in the serious and real warefare of the world, unrefined, like it's not edited or whatever, and I understand, obviously, and in fact always, that being goofy, or, speaking unseriously, about serious subjects, is fucking crucial, and the only, ever, way, a person should talk about serious subjects, probably, right?

Serious Subjects are Equal, "Its not the person speaking, who has to die on the Hill," amirite?

Anyway, "I'm saying, I understand that you're all, 'smart,' people, the smartest, probably, although I'm in fucking actual love with Simone Weil and I agree that to brag about intelligence is to be a dick and also brag about the size of your prison cell, in the west, Nevertheless, "you get what I mean," o,k, apologies for formatting errors, I just copy-pasted, all as original, will be a comment,https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/oqm1pn/the_ethics_of_ai_in_warfare_lecture_abigail_n%C3%A9e/ Right there in Moments,

Apres Les Fleurs.....

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She has a really great video on it. I thought it was really relatable and lovely, she made a lot of great points and I'd definitely recommend watching it! So yeah! Congrats to Abigail Thorn!

What do you mean she's from the UK?

Hi there,

I'm a UK based trans woman and really struggle with voice training. I've watched Abigail Thorn's (of Philosophy Tube) coming out video and I'm in love with her voice and how it has changed from her pre coming out videos.

Is it just her resonance that has changed? I really want to mimic what she has changed about her voice but I'm not sure what exactly has changed.

Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.