Swifties! I need to know if I'm going crazy. I was listening to my Spotify Wrapped playlist and was surprised that 'Tis The Damn Season Never came up. I searched the playlist and it was nowhere to be found - when it definitely should have been! I tweeted about it, and a friend responded saying that she was missing it too! I then checked with my sister - who also did not have it on her list. Do any of you have it on yours????

Since we know that dorothea and 'tis the damn season are opposite perspectives from the same two people: in folklore fashion, which song would make the most compelling love triangle with them?

My favorite triangle story is gold rush. I like to think we hear that song from the perspective of one of those "shiny friends" out in LA who's fallen for Dorothea. While Hometown Person dwells on their memories together, LA Person — who only knows Hollywood Dorothea — dwells on her outward beauty and popularity and doesn't seem to know much about who she actually is as a person (AKA they don't know "which smiles she's faking"). Dorothea is forever drawn to Hometown Person, but both of them have accepted that she'll eventually always return to some version of LA Person.

For a sadder triangle, tolerate it. Hometown Person is so hung up on this beautiful now-famous girl from their past that they're not being fully present with their current partner, and we hear the song from that partner's perspective. The partner is trying to make the holidays special ("lay the table with the fancy shit") in a last-ditch attempt to fix whatever's been off, but Hometown Person is so preoccupied with Dorothea coming back to town that they're incognizant of all of it.

I would love to hear some other triangle stories!

And its about Swiftgron! I believe this song is 100% written from Dianna's POV.

Let's start from the beginning:

"You could call me BABE (!!!) for the weekend"

I believe I may be so bold as to say that the song "Babe" by Taylor Swift & Sugarland is widely belived to be a clap back at Dianna and her appearance in Sam Smith's "I know im not the only one" -- the similarities between the two music videos is stunning.

"i know im not the only one" (released aug 1, 2014) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCkpzqqog4k

"babe" (released june 9, 2018)- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l25AL0BdD6w

"The holidays linger like bad perfumeYou can run, but only so farI escaped it too, remember how you watched me leave?*"*

You can run but only so far, to me says that dianna would be saying "you can run from your family problems, but you still have to see them eventually" (like at the holidays). i think the assumption can be made that Dianna ultimately was the one that left taylor (remember how you watched me leave). "I escaped it too" - Dianna moved to London to be with Wintston and Taylor escaped to London where she seems to have more privacy (and distance from her Dad).

"And the road not taken looks real good nowTime flies, messy as the mud on your truck tiresNow I'm missing your smile, hear me outWe could just ride aroundAnd the road not taken looks real good now"

Swiftgrons know how many songs about Dianna have driving imagery in them -- see the entirety of the Red album.

"Sleep in half the day just for old times' sake"

Taylor and Dianna would "hang out" after dianna got off work on the glee set -- sometimes into the wee hours of the mornings (whatever could they have been doing?). See also the lyrics to 22 (it feels like one of those nights, we won't be sleeping) -- which is widely believed among swiftgrons to be about dianna and taylors relationship.

!!!!!! "I won't ask you to wait if you don't ask me to stay" !!!!!

this one was the "lightbulb" moment for me today. See lyrics for "Stay Stay Stay (on the swiftgron er, i mean, Red album) and "All You Had to Do Was Stay" on 1989. uh, hello!?

"So I'll go back to L.A. and the so-called friendsWho'll write books about me, if I ever make it"

Dianna started filming a movie right after Christmas 2019.

"We could call it even"

a call back to their messy past an

Since bros on Twitter are constantly debating whether Die Hard is a Christmas movie, I figured us Swifties should have our own debate.

So…is TTDS a Christmas song?

theres some parallel with both songs, tis the damn season being the pov of dorothea which is possibly the same muse in treacherous.

the parallels: i hear the sound of my own voice, asking you to stay (treacherous) - I wont ask you to wait if you dont ask me to stay (TTDS)

Think you should know, that nothing safe is worth the drive (treacherous) - and the road not taken looks real good now (TTDS)

Two headlights shine through the sleepness night (treacherous)- sleep in half the day just for old time sake (TTDS)..

TTDS is a story about someone returning to their hometown and embarking on a fleeting but intimate relationship with someone from their past -rolling stone.

Some coincidence.. Taylor was rumored in nashville during the holidays 2016 while dianna is also in nashville filming a movie.

Dianna posted february 15 2016, shes in graceland in elvis presley's living room..

that's it, that's the tweet.

lol but I had this thought, they're both nostalgic, hometown during the holidays songs, definitely not exact parallel scenarios, but sort of parallel universes. One where the narrator is discontent and seems to be leading a shallow life in pursuit of fame and success and feels a hint of what could have been as she briefly rekindles an old relationship during a holiday visit to a hometown she purposely escaped. In the other, the narrator is busy but happy and wistfully daydreams about being able to relive some of the memories of her childhood with the love of her life.

Hi all! I've been obsessed with 'tis the damn season since evermore came out and I realised the storyline would make for an amazing book. I'm a big sucker for an exlovers to the lovers trope so i was wondering if anyone had any book recommendations that follow a similar storyline to this song. Thanks in advance :)

I think the "Dorthea" and "'tis the damn season" connection has been thoroughly analyzed but I haven't seen anything about "cowboy like me" included in that narrative.

The first thing that makes me suspect they're connected was the references to eyes shining with stars (because nothing Taylor does is accidental)

"The stars in your eyes shined brighter in tupelo" -Dorthea

"Eyes full of stars, hustling for the good life" -cowboy like me

In "'tis the damn season" she talks about her going to LA, trying to make it big. Same goes for Dorthea, saying how she's selling make-up in magazines and the tupelo is feels like it's referencing the "big screen", maybe our narrator saw those eyes in tupelo on a TV or a movie

CLM is basically about swindling rich men into believing it's love to get the fancy cars and have a good life. Plus the talk of "hustling" for the good life could mean either "swindling" (as mentioned in the song) or "working hard" so her reference in TTDS about "friends writing books about me if I ever made it" could be an argument towards the "working hard" definition.

Back in the day to make it big as an actress, you basically had to convince these big names to let you in the door. Lots of old movie stars dated/slept with/married producers to get them a role. I could see the narrative of an old time actress and actor trying to convince all these rich folks that it's really love just for a chance to get that part. However, instead they fall in love and that's where their story ends.

I'd love to hear arguments for/against this

Am I the only one? I hope not. I've been living alone for most of my life. Even when the days when my family was complete, I still felt alone. Now, I'm an adult. I have a stable work. And I love my life and this peace and quiet. But... sometimes, it just gets so so so so lonely. (Been rewatching FRIENDS also and the Christmas episodes hit so hard). Taylor Swift is right. The holidays linger like bad perfume we can run but only so far. I don't have Facebook, IG and Twitter. Only Reddit. So I just wanted to post this here to feel less lonely. I hope to feel less lonely in the next holiday seasons. This dark feeling inside me is so hard to deal with that I don't know what to do with myself.

Sorry for being so emotional.

I imagine INTHAF is a story about two kids in a small town who end up marrying each other after reconnecting years later.

I feel this also could be the happy ending for Dorothea the girl who is singing tis the damn season and obvs the girl who the song Dorothea is about.

My reasoning was

1. The reference to the church in 'tis the damn season and INTHAF ' I parked the car right between the Methodist' which I think is the church the duo get married in the song INTHAF.

2. The call back to sleeping late / staying in bed. In the song tis the damn season she sings 'sleep in half the day just for old times sake' and then there is also the line 'stay in bed the whole weekend'.

My biggest clue is how both songs mention calling the SO 'babe'. In 'tis the damn season she sings "you can call me babe for the weekend" and in INTHAF there is " call my bluff , call you babe".

Anyone agree? Has anyone noticed this already??

Respawn are keeping things air tight these days, even LTM are nothing compared to other seasons, kind of a bad time to have such a dry season with the sudden boost in popularity, symptoms of season 0 all over again. Huge player count with a whole load of nothing.

Hopefully damn event is 14th like rumor

EDIT: I think judging from past events that if the event is the 14th then the trailer for it should drop this Thursday ahead of it.

I've been loving this song ever since evermore was released. But I didn't really understand what she means by the first few lines: "If I wanted to know who you were hanging with While I was gone I would have asked you It's the kind of cold, fogs up windshield glass But I felt it when I passed you"

I also read here on this sub-Reddit a lot of people calling the first line very sassy and funny of Taylor and I don't get why.

What do you guys think?

Edit: Thank you everyone for the wonderful replies, loved hearing all your interpretations!!

Taylor Swift - 'tis the damn season

Track #4 on evermore

Length: 3:49

Writers: Aaron Dessner & Taylor Swift

Producers: Aaron Dessner

Lyrics: Genius

Use this thread to discuss your thoughts, reactions, and theories on the song. We will be removing all future self-post discussion threads about it in order to consolidate discussion to this thread.

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i wrote something! so much of evermore screams mlb fanfic, and ya girl had to do something about it.

'tis the damn season

Since Evermore came out ‘Tis the damn season became my favorite song and I mostly got all the meaning down, but I’m still confused with the lyrics "I won't ask you to wait if you don't ask me to stay". Depending on my mood I interpret them either as "please I will only ask you to wait if you show me you care by asking me to stay" or "I won’t be asking you to wait, so please, don’t ask me to stay cause you’ll be disappointed". And I truly can’t get the real meaning. What do you think?

It's not just a romantic song about hooking up with an old flame. It's more asking an old flame to overlook how much they were hurt in the past so the narrator can have one last weekend with them, even though they both know it won't work out.

The opening line of TTDS makes me think the narrator is trying to convince an old flame to hook up again- but the old flame doesn't want to bc they were hurt so badly by the narrator in the past.

"If I wanted to know who you were hanging with while I was gone, I would've asked you". I read it as this line is said by the old flame. (Narraror runs into the old flame and makes small talk. Old flame is cold/cruel- I don't care what you've been up to. "It's the kind of cold that fogs windshield glass." The narrator didn't expect such a cold response. "There's an ache in you put there by the ache in me". I know you're hurting and lashing out, bc I hurt you in the past.

The rest of the song is just the narrator convincing/begging the old flame that it would be ok to have one last fling. "If it's ok with you, it's ok with me". I almost read it as manipulative, "tis the damn season, hear me out". - just go along with this bc I want you to and it makes me feel better.