Netbsd Puns

Hello!

I recently acquired a ThinkPad 760ELD and I would like to put NetBSD on it. It has 16MB of RAM right now (I do want to upgrade though) and a Pentium processor. Full system information can be found here.

Has anyone tried running NetBSD on one of these (or any other 760 series ThinkPad) before and, if so, what was it like? Is there anything I need to look out for?

Thanks!

Hi, I had this old PC around, and today I got IDE HDD for it, I tried to run Linux on it, but I got arch32 installer nit and I got kernel panic, due to low memory size.

One of suggesting I got is trying MINIX 3 (Which NetBSD based), it's my first time I tried NetBSD I didn’t;'t know where to start,

Now I will run it in VirtualMachine to learn how to deal with NetBSD commands, my plan is turning this PC into Retro gaming PC, I'll try to install much possible emulator for most popular systems NES,MegaDrive,PC Engine, and maybe PS1.

Are these emulators able to be installed in NetBSD (and how hard to get them running)

For GUI I don't care which DE (WM) to run on it, I want the most minimal one, but what's important to me is having Hardware acceleration working (OpenGL etc.) .

I'm not asking for specified hardware support here, but want a broad idea how could this system end-up .

=Edit 2= I was able to connect to internet using NAT option in Virt Manger

My finding in looking around is the BSDs are still largely like Linux was until recently, where you really want to be sure your hardware will work with the OS before you buy it. I see amdgpu only goes to GCNv1 right now, would something like an Intel system with integrated graphics be more preferred?

In a perfect world I'd like to build it as a gaming system even if it won't be used that way, but that's not what I'm seeing in the current hardware support unless I can go bargain binning during a silicon shortage.

The idea would mainly be to be able to learn NetBSD, and possibly the other BSDs as well and get back into C and other programming which I haven't done in many years, with the ultimate goal of possibly contributing to the projects and maybe helping resolve some of this: besides graphics I also discovered FreeBSD doesn't support my laptop's wifi the hard way(though if I'm reading right OpenBSD does.. go figure).

As for why NetBSD to start, the philosophy reads nice, and pkgsrc has always interested me, but I always felt it'd be better to try it on its home turf before trying to use it on another platform. My current main desktop for reference is a Slackware-current system, which shares a ton with BSD in how it's put together the more I read, more BSD documentation is familiar to me than not so far.

EDIT: to clarify a bit, I'm not heart set on a laptop, especially since using a wifi dongle with a laptop isn't to my taste, it would be more acceptable on a stationary system. Also, though the title says amd64, I'm open to other architectures like ARM as long as the option is halfway affordable and well supported.

Hello to everyone.

I'm trying to mount an UFS1 partition created within DragonFLY inside NetBSD. Below you can see how usually I mount it in DflyBsd and what error it gives when I mount it within NetBSD :

FROM DFLY :

><TOSHIBA External USB 3.0 0> at scbus9 target 0 lun 0 (pass13,sg13,da13)
>
># gpt show /dev/da13
>
>start size index contents
>
>0 1 - PMBR
>
>1 1 - Pri GPT header
>
>2 32 - Pri GPT table
>
>34 2014 - Unused
>
>2048 262144 0 GPT part - EFI System
>
>264192 1953259520 1 GPT part - DragonFly Label64
>
>1953523712 1423 - Unused
>
>1953525135 32 - Sec GPT table
>
>1953525167 1 - Sec GPT header
>
># mount -t ufs /dev/da13s1d /mnt/dragonfly-ufs

ok

FROM NETBSD :

>localhost# dmesg | grep sd5
>
>[ 5.077645] sd5 at scsibus5 target 0 lun 0: <TOSHIBA, External USB 3.0, 0> disk fixed
>
>[ 5.087644] sd5: 931 GB, 16383 cyl, 16 head, 63 sec, 512 bytes/sect x 1953525168 sectors
>
>[ 8.317645] sd5: GPT GUID: 5da2a0fd-668a-11ec-9f5e-e1d55ee21f22
>
>[ 8.327644] dk24 at sd5: "5da2a100-668a-11ec-9f5e-e1d55ee21f22", 262144 blocks at 2048, type: msdos
>
>[ 8.327644] dk25 at sd5: "5da2a10d-668a-11ec-9f5e-e1d55ee21f22", 1953259520 blocks at 264192, type: <unknown>
>
>
>
>mount -t ffs /dev/dk25 /mnt/toshiba931
>
>mount_ffs: /dev/dk25 on /mnt/toshiba931: incorrect super block

I don't understand why dk25 is type "unknown" since I'm sure that it is UFS1.

I'm trying to install NetBSD, but i can't seem to wipe out my void linux installed partition. I wanna install it there, but *BSD says something like

"the selected partition does not seem to have a valid filesystem. so you want newfs to format it?".

I gave yes.

now, it says: "command failed", command: /sbin/newfs -V2 -O2 /dev//rdk2" error msg: "newfs: /dev//rdk2 partition type is not '4.2BSD'"

then, a mount failed error shows up(command: /sbin/mount -o async /dev//dk2 /targetroot/)... prolly because it assumed that the previous command ran successfully.

thank you.

EDIT 1: added these infos

EDIT 2: I was able to install it, but can't boot it directly(my bios doesnt recognize it's entry in the list) What should i do now?

EDIT 3: It's done. I successfully loaded NetBSD. but had to switch back to void for the time. Now, i'm thinking of a permanent shift to MetBSD. Thank you for the support!

According to the man pages on the official website, the latest version still uses OpenSSL instead of a more modern alternative like LibreSSL. Is there a reason for that?

Hi all. I am learning BSD and want to tinker with NetBSD in VirtualBox on Windows 10. With linux distros, there is a virtualbox-addon that allows me to full screen and adjust resolution to full.

Is there a way to do this in VirtualBox for NetBSD, or do I need to use Hyper-V or some other virtualization software?

Thank you!

Hello. I'm running this netbsd version :

localhost# uname -a

NetBSD localhost 9.2 NetBSD 9.2 (GENERIC) #0: Wed May 12 13:15:55 UTC 2021  mkrepro@mkrepro.NetBSD.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC amd64

I would like to know if it is correct to ugrade the system to HEAD using this command :

sysupgrade auto https://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/HEAD/latest/amd64/

this because I've found a bug and I want to see if it is has been fixed on the very latest version. If not,I will open a new bug resolution request.

I have a mid-2011 iMac that's not getting security patches any more and homebrew is starting to break (example: I can't compile epdfinfo any longer). I've used FreeBSD (started with 2.2.5 as its filesystem was far more stable than ext2fs on unreliable hardware) and used NetBSD (this would be my preference due to cleanliness, insanely complete documentation and pkgsrc) for a few years on a Dell laptop.

Looking at the dock on the existing OSX installation and determined that my typical usage should be easily to replicate except for two things--Signal and Zoom. Ideas on the best way to handle this?

Edit. another aside: Exporting saved users/passwords will also be tedious.

Question says it all. What laptops would you recommend for a trouble free way of trying NetBSD? I'm looking at switching from Linux inside ChromeOS to either NetBSD or OpenBSD.

Hey everybody, I am a Gentoo Linux user, however, I have always been attracted to BSDs and want to use a BSD variant as my OS of choice. I have tried freeBSD before, it is a solid system. I have tried OpenBSD, its just not my cup of tea. The time has come to try NetBSD.
Here are my questions:
Does NetBSD have a gui wifi switcher tool?
Can I mix and match bleeding edge packages with a stable base like how its done with ports on FreeBSD?
I remember reading that NetBSD has something akin to FreeBSDs linuxulator, but now, upon researching this topic further, I dont seem do find any relevant information. Can NetBSD run linux binaries?
What are some cool features that are unique to NetBSD besides extreme portablity?

Yes, I figured how to do it. Via wine, but it's better than nothing, or than running a VM.

How to do it?

First, install wine (i386: https://pkgsrc.se/emulators/wine x86_64: https://pkgsrc.se/wip/wine64 others: i have no idea), then set up a i386 wine prefix and set windows version to XP.

Now, download Java from http://glowiak.github.io/file/java6.exe and install it to the prefix (of course, via wine command) and download the launcher from http://s3.amazonaws.com/Minecraft.Download/launcher/Minecraft.exe (official; useless after the migration completes) or from https://codeberg.org/glowiak/Minecraft-NetBSD/raw/branch/master/shiginima-launcher-se-v3_100.exe (unofficial non-premium launcher). Then run the launcher with wine, select version 1.11.2 or below and click play.

Known issues:

-playing on servers doesn't work

Can i install and use NetBSD as my daily driver with working gpu driver ?

I have a potato mini pc with Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU J3160

Braswell

with Intel HD gpu

Tried to install netbsd but i had problems entering in graphics mode

Any guides i can find about how to configure graphics or what packages i have to install ?

Is the gpu compatible with netbsd ?

I like it but not it is very used ...

Thanks

Matteo

Hello,

I've discovered Apple's Airport Extreme runs NetBSD 4.0-STABLE.

Anyone aware of anyone who has put a current NetBSD on one of these?

I'm already root, just don't know where to start. It's a very limited version with only few binaries and no software that allows updating it.

Any ideas on how to start are appreciated.

If so, how did you do it? I,ve tried before and failed.

And please don't bring up the Mypal controversy, I have no desire to fight on either side of that war.

I have an intel celeron pc and graphics don't work on netbsd it shows many artifacts and also freezes later.

The Artifacts are to many that makes any text unreadable

Also it freezes after a while.

Also i have a strange message that says that my gpu memmory is much much larger (x4times) than it is actually !

I am a newbie NetBSD user. I'm using NetBSD 9.2 XFCE amd64. But it's not showing the Bengali font. Is there anyway to get it worked? Or is there any way in which I can contribute to get it worked? Thanks in advance!!

Hi, I've gotten yelled at for asking this question before but I'm just trying to see how feasable running NetBSD as a daily driver is. I read in the handbook that there is a tool to upgrade minior versions in pkgsrc, but is there an equivalent to OpenBSD's sys patch or FreeBSD upgrade that fetch the security patches and apply them without having to build world and a new kennel from source?

Hello.

I'm trying to mount the netbsd partition under linux),reading from here :

https://www.unitedbsd.com/d/51-how-to-mount-netbsd-ffs-partition-under-live-linux/3

but it fails. Here is what happens :

root@Z390-AORUS-PRO:/home/ziomario# sudo modprobe ufs

ok

Disk /dev/sda: 465.76 GiB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors

Disk model: CT500MX500SSD4

Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes

Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes

I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes

Disklabel type: dos

Disk identifier: 0x00000000

Dispositivo Avvio Start Fine Settori Size Id Tipo

/dev/sda1 2048 264191 262144 128M ef EFI (FAT-12/16/32)

/dev/sda2 * 266240 976773167 976506928 465.6G a9 NetBSD

root@Z390-AORUS-PRO:/home/ziomario# mkdir /mnt/netbsd

root@Z390-AORUS-PRO:/home/ziomario# mount -t ufs -o ro,ufstype=44bsd /dev/sda2 /mnt/netbsd

mount: /mnt/netbsd: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda2, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.

hey all! posted this on both vcfed and port-alpha to no avail, figured i might as well ask here.

i have two alphas (a pws600au with a powerstorm 3d30 and an alphastation 200 with an s3 trio 64v+) that i'm attempting to turn into retro-modern workstations with netbsd, and though they're both happily running on 9.1, i've been unable to get x11 running at all. these are both supported machines and supported gpus as of 9.1.

after solving an initial issue with the kern.securelevel sysctl i was able to get x11 to actually start, but unfortunately it immediately halts the machine and leaves behind an Xorg.0.log.old filled with garbage. i've tried using both the native x11 distribution as well as one crosscompiled specifically for alphas, but i see the same behavior no matter what.

xorg.conf

appreciate any info you guys can provide!

I am struggling finishing a port of my console game to NetBSD. I believe the problem is related to the lack of "wide" character support for UTF-8 but I'm not certain if this is the case.

When I call curses.instr() to pick up the value of a character on screen I am getting no contents being returned into my variable. Subsequent calls to use curses.addch() to display the character give me a:

TypeError: expect bytes or str of length 1, or int, got bytes

The Python pdb debugger shows the contents to be: b"" (empty)

As is, the code runs without error on OS X 11 and FreeBSD 13. On those systems I have locale settings that say en_US.UTF-8. On NetBSD 9.2, I am using python 3.8.10 and py38-curses.

My locale settings on NetBSD are as follows:

LANG=""

LC_CTYPE="C"

LC_COLLATE="C"

LC_TIME="C"

LC_NUMERIC="C"

LC_MONETARY="C"

LC_MESSAGES="C"

LC_ALL=""

Hello to everyone.

I'm trying to mount an ext4 partition on NetBSD. This is the NetBSD version that I'm running right now :

>localhost# uname -a
>
>NetBSD localhost 9.2 NetBSD 9.2 (GENERIC) #0: Wed May 12 13:15:55 UTC 2021  mkrepro@mkrepro.NetBSD.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC amd64

The disk that I have previously formatted with the ext4 partition and that I want to mount is : WD, 2500BMV External, 1.05 and it is mapped as sd1 and sd2 :

>localhost# dmesg | grep 2500
>
>sd2 at scsibus2 target 0 lun 0: <WD, 2500BMV External, 1.05> disk fixed
>
>sd1 at scsibus1 target 0 lun 0: <WD, 2500BMV External, 1.05> disk fixed

>localhost# gpt show sd1
>
>
>
>start       size  index  contents
0          1         PMBR
1          1         Pri GPT header
2         32         Pri GPT table
34       2014         Unused
2048  488394752      1  GPT part - Linux data
488396800        335         Unused
488397135         32         Sec GPT table
488397167          1         Sec GPT header

but sd2 is another disk :

>localhost# gpt show sd2
>
>
>
>start         size  index  contents
0            1         PMBR
1            1         Pri GPT header
2           32         Pri GPT table
34         2014         Unused
2048  23437701120      1  GPT part - Windows basic data
23437703168         2015         Unused
23437705183           32         Sec GPT table
23437705215            1         Sec GPT header

But let's see what says dmesg :

localhost# dmesg | grep sd1

>sd1 at scsibus1 target 0 lun 0: <Corsair, Force 3 SSD, 0> disk fixed
sd1: 111 GB, 16383 cyl, 16 head, 63 sec, 512 bytes/sect x 234441648 sectors
sd1: GPT GUID: bd2ec49f-a224-436f-9a09-8c04c5d8b19e
dk8 at sd1: "fc5905ad-96d4-4161-af65-aab3f4061b1c", 262144 blocks at 64, type: msdos
dk9 at sd1: "00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000", 167373677 blocks at 262208, type: ffs
autoconfiguration error: sd1: wedge named '00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000' already exists, manual intervention required
boot device: sd1
sd1 at scsibus1 target 0 lun 0: <WD, 2500BMV External, 1.05> disk fixed
sd1: 232 GB, 16383 cyl, 16 head, 63 sec, 512 bytes/sect x 488397168 sectors
sd1: GPT GUID: 96241da9-f011-45a8-a7b0-97aea29d7265
>
>-----> [     6.716210] dk16 at sd1: "Dati", 48839

Hello everyone,

How to install an older version of cabal-install-3.4.0 on NetBSD 9.2?