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I'm an individualist. I'm against institutional eugenics because no institution can take responsibility for deciding what the world's children become. By all means, judge your mate's genome, take advantage of egg selection or even designer baby technology, but these decisions are for the individual, not any institution.
The reason I'm saying that might not be obvious at first, but I promise it will make sense later.
My vision of transhumanism is an individualist one. The man-turned-machine should be at least as free from centralized control as the natural man. You are born with ownership of your mind and body, and it would be both evil and unnecessary to degrade that ownership with technology. Even living inside new hardware, you're still you!
But the evil and unnecessary can and does happen. There are certain trends in the use of tech that should worry individualists. More centralization of control each year, more censorship, both subtle and overt, apathy from the public about how much control corporations have over their lives, etc.
The Metaverse was Facebook's announcement that people will live on the internet even more than they do now, and that Facebook intends to own and exert control over what will become the most important parts of it. If Meta succeeds, it will more or less prove to me that transhumanism is just as dangerous as eugenics. It would be controlled by institutions that shouldn't be trusted. It's looking more and more like people will accept freedom as the price for just maintaining their current lifestyle, so what will they pay to become immortal? What will they resort to out of fear or envy of posthumans? I really don't see this going well.
The individualist anarchists like Josiah Warren, Stephen Pearl Andrews, Lysander Spooner, Benjamin Tucker, have must more in common with AnCaps than they do with AnComs.
Josiah Warren's principle of "the sovereignty of the individual" is the same as the non-aggression principle.
Stephen Pearl Andrews explicitly wrote in defense of wage labour and bosses.
Lysander Spooner defended absentee land ownership.
Benjamin Tucker thought his ideas were very similar to that of libertarian sociologist Herbert Spencer.
And all of them were opposed to communism.
As title states. To my understanding, Socialism is a very collective based system and American society/societies are very individualistic, so why do many people want Socialism?
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I'm an ISTP but after covid calmed down, I was in a ti-ni loop so I started going out more. But now I'm stuck in this exhausting religious community full of events and discussions.
I just want to chill but due to the effects of the loop, all I do by myself is scroll on Reddit or Instagram.
I'm especially interested in how the two tendencies view each other and have interacted/ influenced each other's development.
It hurts my head. It’s as if no one understands that EVERYTHING in a governed society works at a systems level.
I keep running into these people (even within the constructs of the workplace) that believe that everything is individualistic and that the effects of what they do has no knock on effect on others.
As a sociologist (political science/international relations double major at the bachelor level) sometimes just walking out the front door hurts my head.
In modern western societies… we have been becoming incredibly individualistic over the last 50 years and it sucks. I base my working philosophical worldview on systems theory and the social contract that most modern western nations are built on (and fought for).
France, the UK, the United States, Canada, even New Zealand has a systemic bill of rights… and outlined established freedoms.
And yet? We seem to becoming increasingly more individualistic as people which hurts my head because? Inherently I’m not a hugely individualistic person
Beyond my rights to live my life without it affecting others I really don’t care about individualistic things nor pointlessly meaningless wealth accumulation beyond that for the things most people would call needs over desires… and yet? We are becoming increasingly individualistic in the western world. So much so when I try to establish a sense of community value out there I’m just left with a sore head.
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Assuming they aren't bothered about being unpopular or disrespected by the mainstream due to their weirdness -- they are the ones who just disregard what others say, then go their own way. A lot of "normal" people say they're independent-minded and thinking, which is easy so long as they have no status or money to lose. Once they get threats to status, money, love life, etc., they fall in line.
In addition, anyone who claims to respect individuals who go against the crowd, yet mocks, snubs, and ridicules weirdoes and oddballs is a hypocrite.
Still reading? Or did you downvote it before you even opened the thread? Maybe you feel like you already know what I'm about to say? Funny, huh.
Feel how you want about The Closer, seriously. If Dave's take on trans shit feels fresh to you -- he's "team TERF" and thinks gender is a fact, he'd like the women in his audience to be mad at trans folks because something something Caitlyn Jenner, he thinks that trans identity is akin to blackface -- God bless you every one.
And hey, I saw the whole thing too! If his heartwarming story about inviting a trans comedian he barely knew to cover his ass inspired you to embrace universal brother-and-sisterhood so much that you now think everyone who disagrees with you is an ignorant sack of shit to be dismissed out of hand, then what a fucking blessing that is for the discourse, eh? Thanks for caring!
Feel how you want and speak your piece on it, seriously. But please understand: trans folks have heard it already. My wiiiiife! Pickle Riiiick! DUR-de-DURRR!!! That's really the only thing I want the amateur comedians among us to understand. To you, Dave's take is a fucking revelation. To a small, specific group of people who, for various reasons, live with this shit on the daily a lot more than you do, not so much. That's all.
I don't actually know what the fuck "canceled" means, but Dave says he's loving it, and I think that's fucking dandy. Once upon a time he walked away from millions of dollars because he felt like felt his good intentions were being warped by Viewers Like You into a toxic influence on the culture, but he doesn't feel that way this time and that's just fine -- he can do what he wants, fucking obviously. I've just got two requests for you fine folks, the contemporary Christians to his Comedy Christ:
One: maybe stop harassing LGBTQ people to watch something that belittles them. I don't have to be a Dan Whitney completist to understand that Larry the Cable Guy isn't for me, I don't have to watch every episode of Big Bang Theory to think it's kinda stupid, and trans folks don't owe Dave Chapelle shit.
And two: if Chapelle's astonishing act of individual artistic bravery inspires a near-identical streak of individualist artistic bravery in you at the open mic tonight, please please titty-fucking please: just make it fucking funny.
There have been a few posts in the last few days (here, and on the debate sub) that generated a lot of discussion that makes it seem that there are some on this forum who lean more in the direction of social anarchism (anarchist-socialism) and others who lean in the direction of individualist anarchism.
I suspect that this might be, at least part of, the reason for the debates surrounding semantics and hierarchy... among others.
Personally, I lean toward social anarchism. This article, while not comprehensive, gives some ideas I agree with and their justifications.
If you lean more in one direction or the other, I'd love to know why? What is it specifically that resonates with you?
This is a bit on the casual side, but does anyone think it'd be awesome to date another Open Individualist? To treat each other as if you were literally each other? To be as open with them as you are with your own self, because they literally are your own self ? It's pretty rare to find girls (or anyone) who dig philosophy and esoteric topics, and it'd be even rarer to find a girl Open Individualist - most people have no idea what I'm talking about when I try to explain OI to them - but it's a dream of mine. Just imagining how close we could be though. Having sex knowing that they're you in another lifetime. Tripping on some psychedelics together, maybe experiencing transcendental Oneness at the same time. Cuddling together in bed, just sharing our thoughts and experiences. Giving each other pleasure knowing it's you experiencing it on the other side. It gives me goosebumps just thinking about it.
Hello, I still don't really get what the difference is when people talk about there being societies that are "individualistic" and ones that are "collectivist". Obviously in individualist societies any particular individual isn't able to have extreme beliefs without being socially rejected, for example I couldn't espouse neo-nazi beliefs around different acquaintances without being socially rejected, or other social consequences. So I don't really get what aspect of human behavior or society people are talking about when they draw this distinction between more and less individualism/collectivism in a society/culture.
