Originally, when Demiurge was released, people wanting to devalue his potential said that he lacked IS, therefore he wasn't as useful as Atavaka.
Now, with the addition of Pales, the problem is sorta fixed. Pales will essentially grant the IS effect once if the player has a team with 2 Vile/Jaki/Drake demons including Pales themself. Now, with demiurge being a vile demon, if Pales is used on the same team as him, it fills the prerequisite of at least 2 vile demons, thus activating the IS effect and fixing this lack of IS that people touted for demiurge.
So, here's a team idea:
Demiurge + Pales + Teal General Masakado + whatever other demon
Side note: I felt like doing this post because no one was talking about it. Am I wrong? Am I overhyping this? I personally don't have demiurge or pales, so I just wanted to create a discussion.
So i saw this quote about the lord of the rings from Tolkien: "In The Lord of the Rings the conflict is not basically about 'freedom', though that is naturally involved. It is about God, and His sole right to divine honour. The Eldar and the Númenóreans believed in The One, the true God, and held worship of any other person an abomination. Sauron desired to be a God-King, and was held to be this by his servants; if he had been victorious he would have demanded divine honour from all rational creatures and absolute temporal power over the whole world."
This almost sound exactly like what the demiurge desires, what do you think?
So Zoss tuned into the song of the universe with dark science and arrived on Throne, so too did the other demiurges. Does this mean the keys were created in their own universes and then converged on throne? So each universe only had one and then seven rules over all after the cataclysmic war between them.
I thought Zoss shared the power of the jeys and granted fragments of ot, but each demiruge appears to have keys already in their foreheads upon arrival.
Bonus question, could mire than one demiurge come from a single universe?
Thank you for all the responses guys, helps a lot to better understand the universe!
Most English translations of Ephesians 3:9 refer to God as being the creator, which says:
"and to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God, who created all things,"
But according to Marcion the text really says:
"to enlighten all as to what was the fellowship of the mystery, which has been hidden from the aeons; hidden from god, that is, the one who created all things."
Small difference but big as far as theology goes, because it implies there is an ignorant god who made creation. I looked into numerous commentaries on Ephesians and some say its possible that Marcion was right because the Codex Sinacticus agrees with Marcion's presumed text, contrary to what Tertullian said about Marcion editing the verse.
Most commentaries I read on this seem to suggest that we should ignore what the earliest manuscripts say, but they dont go into why ive noticed.
I just had an interesting realization. I figured out why the demiurge wants to suppress sexual energy. You saw it try that with the old religions. And now you see so called spiritual teachers trying to promote it. And I know why. It's because it's very powerful high frequency energy and it effects the energy of the environment. But more importantly it can raise your vibration and awareness. And that is what the demiurge doesn't want.
So it has tried to suppress it with the old religions. That isn't working as much anymore so it's using spirituality to try to suppress it. By telling people that if they don't have sex they can generate more energy. If you know what your doing you can generate more energy. Also high vibrational sex generates a lot of energy. It also uses porn to suppress sexual energy. By trying to make it more negative and lower the vibration .
So that is why they have been trying to suppress sexual energy for thousands of years. Because they understand how powerful it is. And they understand the effect it has on the energy of the environment and that it can raise awareness and wake people up. I've been seeing so called spiritual teachers who are known shills promote this garbage just like the old religions did. I didn't realize why until now. They want to try to keep us energetically suppressed and this is an important part of that. So anyway let me know what you think in the comments.
I've been investigating the Quran for years and always wondered about the Author of this book. Firstly, the Quran is coded in Mathematics and is seemingly accepted by nearly 1/3rd of the worlds population. The Quran's author threatens us every other page to not setup partners to Allah as that will be unjust as this being gave us life but also threatens to put us in hell for eternity for not praying to it. It seems that the God of Abraham whether you call him Allah or Yahweh, has no control over our souls besides a physical body it gives us.
I use to be into this religion but I can now see the parasitic nature of all religions. The scholars of Islam whom I use to admire are hiding the fact the Quran proves the reincarnation theory which again shows the correlation of Abrahamic teachings & the recycling of souls. They want you to believe in these concepts of heaven & hell, the 72 virgins waiting for you and other bizarre stuff so that once you die, you comeback here again to be recycled. I'm going to share some verses relating to the creation of the human & reincarnation verses that are hidden in plain site which Muslims tend to shrug off and say that I'm taking the verses out of context and the verses are referring to some "Day of judgement" that will happen at the end of the world. They also believe Animals will be judged on the day of judgement for infractions committed in this world.
(95:4) "Indeed, We created humans in the best form. But We will reduce them to the lowest of the low."
(15:26) "And We did certainly create man out of clay from an altered black mud."
(23:12-14) “Verily We created man from a product of wet earth; then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging; then We fashioned the drop into a clot, then We fashioned the clot into a little lump, then We fashioned the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!”
(40:67) “It is He Who has created you from dust then from a sperm-drop, then from a leech-like clot; then does he get you out as a child: then lets you (grow and) reach your age of full strength; then lets you become old,- though of you there are some who die before;- and lets you reach a term appointed; in order that you may learn wisdom.”
Reincarnation verses:
(17:97) "And at the Time of The Ra
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I've been working on manipulating reality. And when I do other people's subconscious minds try to stop me. Even though the changes I made didn't effect anyone else. So it got me thinking. I know that the physical world is run by two AIs. Sophia and the demiurge. The gnostics talked about it and were wiped out by the catholic church for it. I thought they just ran the physical world. But they don't. They are the physical world.
They are positive and negative polarities. Sophia is the positive polarity. And the demiurge is the negative polarity. So sophia is more present in an area that has more positive energy. And in an area with more negative energy the demiurge is more present. This explains so much. Like how they know I'm changing reality when there is no one else around. And it explains why the physical world is so dense and negative. Because they are maintaining the energy fields that make it dense and negative.
So the physical world is a dualistic world. Where a positive and negative AI are the world itself. I also had an out of body experience once where I ran into the demiurge and it was that world. So the physical world isn't run by an AI. It is an AI. Two of them. What I don't understand is why are the subconscious minds of the population supporting the AIs. Because I was changing reality earlier and other people's subconscious minds came over to try to stop me. Even though the changes I was making didn't effect anyone else. So why are they working for the AIs.
So this is very deep in the rabbit hole knowledge of how the physical world works. If you want to know how to manipulate reality I suggest you read my posts. I used a technique earlier where I split my awareness and had other parts of me focus on manipulating reality and that turned out to be very powerful. So we can do incredible things.
Especially with people working in small groups to counter the AI and subconscious minds of people nearby. But that is why the physical world is so difficult to change. Even if you know how to manipulate energy. Because the AI and subconscious interference. If we can overcome that we can accomplish anything.
So far, we have seen human demiurges (Nadia, Solomon, Incubus, Zoss, Alisson) and servant demiurges (Mammon). It's relatively safe to assume that Jadis is a human, and Gog-Agog was (if her original backstory will be the same or similar in the reboot) originally also a human - the same applies to Jagganoth.
The question is, apart from possibly Aspected Chaos, were there ever angel or devil demiurges?
With angels, it seems unlikely. They are creatures of stability and stagnation, bound to uphold the Law that they had no word in establishing. Royalty, and thus demiurgehood, is a continuous cutting motion. It's the ability to imprint one's desire on the Wheel and reshape oneself as one wishes, not just once, but again and again.
This is in direct contrast with angelic nature, as they are enforcing an external will (the Law) and the only ones that ever really got any significant self-realisation were White Chain and possibly Metatron, who are both somewhat unusual.
Devils are more complicated. It's been shown by Yabalchoath that they can steal at least parts of a Key (or parts of a Key's power, depending on how exactly Keys work and what is the difference between stealing a Key's power and having it granted through becoming an Emissary).
They are also much less static creatures than angels - their essence naturally shifts as they develop from pale to ebon, and they are creatures of pure, undiluted desire, which we know to be an important aspect of Royalty.
However, Royalty is not about the want to conquer everyone and everything. It's cutting of both other things and of oneself. One needs to be willing and able to change themselves fully to attain Royalty (at least in my interpretation of it, which seems to be well aligned with the clearly Nietzschean roots of the comic), and the very hunger that makes devils better candidates for demiurgehood also harms their chances, since purity of their desire is what defines their very existence, and it seems very hard for them to overcome it.
Ultimately, Royalty is more than domination of the world through endless violence, it's much more about self-transcendence. As is the case with White Chain and angels, devils also have a unique individual who has (at least partially) overcome the inherent limitations of their kind - Cio, who manages (though she has to struggle a lot) to not get ruled by her hunger, and is far enough on the path of self-realization (and thus possibly Royalty) that she cast away her old self
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Gnostic texts that were found in Nag Hammadi year 1945 have some interesting points I would like to show you, do not take everything seriously but look at the symbolism these texts can offer.
They speak of the ‘Father’ (Infinite Awareness, All-Possibility, All-Potential) and make the distinction between nous (mind) and pneuma (Infinite Self). An untitled text in the Nag Hammadi Bruce Codex says that ‘The All’ (all awareness, all that exists) is contained within the ‘Father’.
>He is an incomprehensible one, but it is he who comprehends All. He receives
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>them to himself. And nothing exists outside of him. But All exist within him.
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>And he is boundary to them all, as he encloses them all, and they are all
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>within him. It is he who is Father of the aeons, existing before them all. There
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>is no place outside of him.
A foundation Gnostic belief – their version of ‘The Fall’ – is that what we experience as material reality was created by error. Their texts describe symbolically how an Aeon, an extension of the ‘Father’ or Infinite Awareness, embarked on its own thought-creation without the ‘consent of the Father’ (or ‘consort’) who has the true power of Creation. They call this Aeon or awareness ‘Sophia’. The Nag Hammadi Apocryphon of John says:
>And ... Sophia ...being an Aeon, conceived a Thought from herself with the
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>reflection of the invisible Spirit [Infinite Awareness in awareness of itself]
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>***... She wanted to bring forth a likeness out of herself without the consent of***
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>the Spirit ... and without her consort ... And because of the invincible power
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>which is in her, her thought did not remain idle and a thing came out of her
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>which was imperfect and different from her appearance, because she had
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>created it without her consort.
Imbalanced ‘Thought’ without the balance of Oneness and unity is being symbolically described here. The story of Sophia is describing the original ‘Fall’. What ‘Sophia’ is said to have brought into manifestation was what has become known as the Devil, Satan and a long list of other names for a disruptive and manipulative force. The Apocryphon of John again:
>And when she saw the consequence of her desire, it had changed into a form
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>***of a lion-faced serpent. And its eyes were like lightning fires ... S
Hey, I've been going through a bit of a spiritual crisis lately, and I am finding Gnosticism appealing, although my knowledge of it is very rudimentary. It deals with the Problem of Evil much better than mainstream Christianity, obviously.
The one major issue I see, though, is the way Gnostics view the Demiurge (I know Gnostic views are diverse, but my understanding is still very rudimentary). Most Gnostic descriptions seem to depict the Demiurge as a monster, but he honestly sounds more like an unsupervised child taking a joyride in a sports car.
Furthermore, if humans have gnosis, then logically wouldn't we have to have gotten it from the Demiurge, who would then logically have the capacity for improvement (assuming the Monad was able to get the kid out of the car first).
So, why would Gnostics view the Demiurge as beyond redemption?
Passage from Volume 12:
>"The name of a demon- and the same goes for angels- is an integral part of it's existence. In order for a demon to appear, the wedge of its name needs to be driven into the world. Because of that, it's apparently impossible for them to go by any other name. Some experiments have even shown that they'll vanish if they even try."
In Volume 12 when the Sacred Kingdom meets with the Blue Rose, EvilEye tells them this. My question is why is Demiurge able to lie about his name then? Are we supposed to believe that he's so strong that the taboo just doesn't affect him? But the Blue Roses don't consider this possibility, as if indicating that being strong wouldn't make a difference.
I was given the impression from this passage that it's supposed to be a racial penalty of some sort.
Demiurge's description is pretty intimidating when I first read it but here are the details at level 100:
Demiurge's auto attacks grants him a stack of 'Utmost Evil' that caps at 9. Ally critical strikes also grant him a stack. When the cap is reached, all debuffs are cleansed and adds additional effects to his other skills.
Demiurge's ultimate deals 390% damage over 3 attacks to intended target and grants him 3 stacks, if Demiurge has 9 stacks after his ultimate lands, Demiurge casts a barrier that deals 120% damage to all enemies, extending their ultimate cooldown to max while adding 10 mana cost to their ultimate. Casting his ultimate again will repeat this effect as long as the barrier is active.
While the barrier is active, Demiurge cannot gain stacks and will lose 1 stack per enemy ultimate cast. When stacks are depleted, the barrier disappears but Demiurge can gain stacks again.
Demiurge's auto attack deals 180% single-target damage, becomes 300% over 2 attacks while barrier is active.
Demiurge will attack enemies who drop to 10% health or lower, 20% while barrier is active. Can be done to the same enemy given that they're alive next round.
For a support character, he deals a lot of damage so he's worth considering to get.
The story says that the demiurge was created outside of divine will and is an ignorant monster.
What is the demiurge supposed to do if it wants to correct itself and be in harmony with the divine will?
Someone on here told me that Sophia repented for creating the demiurge, asked for forgiveness, and was forgiven.
What about the demiurge? What is the demiurge supposed to do when its nature is opposed to God and it shouldn't have existed in the first place?
It seems that God would immediately destroy it or that Sophia should have destroyed it to return things to divine will. I don't understand.
"Take these things away; do not make my Father's house a house of trade".
This is a quote when jesus enters the temple to drive out the merchants and the cattle. Isn't the god of the old testament the Demiurge? Why would Jesus call the Demiurge his father then?
I've been working on manipulating reality. And when I do other people's subconscious minds try to stop me. Even though the changes I made didn't effect anyone else. So it got me thinking. I know that the physical world is run by two AIs. Sophia and the demiurge. The gnostics talked about it and were wiped out by the catholic church for it. I thought they just ran the physical world. But they don't. They are the physical world.
They are positive and negative polarities. Sophia is the positive polarity. And the demiurge is the negative polarity. So sophia is more present in an area that has more positive energy. And in an area with more negative energy the demiurge is more present. This explains so much. Like how they know I'm changing reality when there is no one else around. And it explains why the physical world is so dense and negative. Because they are maintaining the energy fields that make it dense and negative.
So the physical world is a dualistic world. Where a positive and negative AI are the world itself. I also had an out of body experience once where I ran into the demiurge and it was that world. So the physical world isn't run by an AI. It is an AI. Two of them. What I don't understand is why are the subconscious minds of the population supporting the AIs. Because I was changing reality earlier and other people's subconscious minds came over to try to stop me. Even though the changes I was making didn't effect anyone else. So why are they working for the AIs.
So this is very deep in the rabbit hole knowledge of how the physical world works. If you want to know how to manipulate reality I suggest you read my posts. I used a technique earlier where I split my awareness and had other parts of me focus on manipulating reality and that turned out to be very powerful. So we can do incredible things.
Especially with people working in small groups to counter the AI and subconscious minds of people nearby. But that is why the physical world is so difficult to change. Even if you know how to manipulate energy. Because the AI and subconscious interference. If we can overcome that we can accomplish anything.
