What made a medieval Muslim state an Atabeg? I've seen the Zengids referred to as an atabeg and and emirate, which is more correct?

From what I understand, and atabeg is a Turkic/Turkish successor state to the Great Seljuk Empire after it's collapse. However, some of its successor states don't go by the title of "atabeg". Off the top of my head, here are some of these successors:

  • Sultanate of RΓ»m

  • Zengid Atabeg / Zengid Emirate

  • Salghurid Atabeg

  • Sultanate of Kerman

  • Kingdom of Ormus (Hormuz)

  • Hazaraspid Atabeg

  • Ahmadilis Atabeg

I'm sure there are more, but only about half of these (as I understand them) identify as atabegs. If I had to guess, I'd say they're all technically atabegs but if they went by another title then they used that as it was more prestigious? Like the ruler of RΓ»m being seen as a sultan gave him far more power and authority than being seen as just another beg/ atabeg?

I may be completely wrong here so please correct me if I am but, by that logic, would the Zengids moreso be thought of by historians as an emirate? To my knowledge, RΓ»m and the Zengids were the two most important successor states since they were the strongest and survived longer than their counterparts in Iran, and calling them "atabegs" would just lump them together with the other (more forgetful) successors.

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Atabegs after Sultan dies:
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The Atabeg of Aleppo during the Second Crusade, Imad Zengi, was called β€˜The Sanguine’ because he mutilated his courtiers. The Crusader Raynald of ChΓ’tillon tortured the Patriarch of Antioch and ravaged the people of Cyprus. How did Christians and Muslims view cruelty by their rulers in this period?
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A Helmet belonging Atabegs of Azerbaijan (Ildiguzids)
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The story of Atabeg Arslan - the meteoric rise of the accidental emperor.
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[August 14th, 1119] Baldwin II wins the battle of Danith against the Turks of Il Ghazi, atabeg of Aleppo and Tughtekin, atabeg of Damascus. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat…
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SERIOUS: This subreddit needs to understand what a "dad joke" really means.

I don't want to step on anybody's toes here, but the amount of non-dad jokes here in this subreddit really annoys me. First of all, dad jokes CAN be NSFW, it clearly says so in the sub rules. Secondly, it doesn't automatically make it a dad joke if it's from a conversation between you and your child. Most importantly, the jokes that your CHILDREN tell YOU are not dad jokes. The point of a dad joke is that it's so cheesy only a dad who's trying to be funny would make such a joke. That's it. They are stupid plays on words, lame puns and so on. There has to be a clever pun or wordplay for it to be considered a dad joke.

Again, to all the fellow dads, I apologise if I'm sounding too harsh. But I just needed to get it off my chest.

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Blind Girl Here. Give Me Your Best Blind Jokes!

Do your worst!

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This subreddit is 10 years old now.

I'm surprised it hasn't decade.

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Dropped my best ever dad joke & no one was around to hear it

For context I'm a Refuse Driver (Garbage man) & today I was on food waste. After I'd tipped I was checking the wagon for any defects when I spotted a lone pea balanced on the lifts.

I said "hey look, an escaPEA"

No one near me but it didn't half make me laugh for a good hour or so!

Edit: I can't believe how much this has blown up. Thank you everyone I've had a blast reading through the replies πŸ˜‚

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What starts with a W and ends with a T

It really does, I swear!

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What do you call quesadillas you eat in the morning?

Buenosdillas

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What is a a bisexual person doing when they’re not dating anybody?

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I wanna hear your best airplane puns.

Pilot on me!!

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E or ß?
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These aren't dad jokes...

Dad jokes are supposed to be jokes you can tell a kid and they will understand it and find it funny.

This sub is mostly just NSFW puns now.

If it needs a NSFW tag it's not a dad joke. There should just be a NSFW puns subreddit for that.

Edit* I'm not replying any longer and turning off notifications but to all those that say "no one cares", there sure are a lot of you arguing about it. Maybe I'm wrong but you people don't need to be rude about it. If you really don't care, don't comment.

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I had a vasectomy because I didn’t want any kids.

When I got home, they were still there.

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What did 0 say to 8 ?

What did 0 say to 8 ?

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So What did 3 say to 8 ?

" Hey, you two stop making out "

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I'd like to dedicate this joke to my wisdom teeth.

[Removed]

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How do you stop Canadian bacon from curling in your frying pan?

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I did it, I finally did it. After 4 years and 92 days I went from being a father, to a dad.

This morning, my 4 year old daughter.

Daughter: I'm hungry

Me: nerves building, smile widening

Me: Hi hungry, I'm dad.

She had no idea what was going on but I finally did it.

Thank you all for listening.

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It this sub dead?

There hasn't been a post all year!

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All dad jokes are bad and here’s why

Why

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My name is ABCDEFGHIJKMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ

It’s pronounced β€œNoel.”

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Why are people so surprised and angry about Djokovic being an anti-vaxxer?

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If Korean pop is shortened to Kpop and Korean Drama is Kdrama...

What, then, is Chinese rap?

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Notable mentions from the comments:

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  • Country/Canadian rap

  • Chinese/Country/Canadian rock

  • Turkish/Tunisian/Taiwanese rap

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Is this sub still active?

There hasn't been a single post this year!

(Happy 2022 from New Zealand)

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Him: I can explain everything!

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What do you call a guy with no arms and no legs in a hot tub?

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My WIFI password is 2444666668888888

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