Constant Geekery reviewed the ORICO M2V01-C4 on youtube in THIS video. He is unwilling to admit this device is not USB4 even after I quoted Orico as describing it as a dual chip solution using " Intel JHL7440 + JMicron JMS583 " in the comments. Thoughts anyone?
AMD announced USB4 support on their 6000 Ryzen's mobile processors, does that mean you could theoretically connect eGPU to it? What would need to happen for it to work?
On their CES 2022 presentation they said their new processors support USB4 with 40Gbit bandwidth, but there was no mention of thunderbolt (I guess because it's still intel proprietary interface). On the other hand USB4 contains (is compatible with?) Thunderbolt 3, so can you actually run eGPU on USB4? Also why only thunderbolt 3, when there is already a thunderbolt 4 version (I guess that's again only intel thing)? Couldn't this be more confusing?
I looked up a couple of newly released laptops with new Ryzens, but I haven't found one with actual USB4. I guess there have to be some hardware parts that is needed for USB4 (TB3) to work? Also if there were necessary hardware, do you also need some kind of a software that does not exist yet on the AMD side? Like a thunderbolt controller.
Sorry if I'm asking stupid questions.
AFAIK, Thunderbolt 4 / USB4 have data speeds at up to 3000MB/s. Is it actually possible to get 4000MB/s data?
Like the title says i am looking to buy a USB4 laptop ( alder lake / zen3 + ) or a TB4 laptop ( tiger lake ) with a 3070 or 3070ti.
I have a DP1.2 / HDMI 2.0 1080p 240hz monitor right now that i will be upgrading to 1080p 480hz in the future.
Can ports listed / vgas listed run the monitors refresh rate ?
Cheers.
Hey all,
Struggling to find a definitive answer:
I've got several eGPUs stationed around my house that I use with my TB3 laptop. With the possibility of USB4 becoming the go to for manufacturers, my the eGPUs still work if I happen to buy a USB4 laptop in the future that doesn't have TB3 licencing?
Thanks for the help.
Just had a chat with CableMatters tech support after reading their blog on USB4, where there's a table showing a USB4 Gen 2x2 and a USB4 Gen 3, both 20Gbps. I'm considering getting a USB-IF certified USB4 20Gbps cable for my upcoming Thunderbolt 4(not a Intel-certified cable cos $$$ and I want a 6ft cable) but it got me thinking, what's the difference between USB4 Gen 2x2 and USB3.2 Gen 2x2? Googling doesn't seem to provide much of an answer, but from my understanding USB 4 Gen 2x2 is just using both lanes of 10Gbps available in USB 3.1 Gen 2 for transmission along with dynamic bandwidth allocation so display output and data transfer no longer slow each other down? But isn't USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 also based on activating both 10Gbps lanes to achieve 20Gbps? Does that mean that a USB4 Gen 2x2 cable is electrically identical to a USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 one? Not sure if it's worth the money going for a USB4 certified cable in that case if a USB 3.2 Gen 2 cable will work just as fine(especially since my Thunderbolt 4 ports can run 20Gbps even on a USB 3.2 Gen 1 cable, with a compatible device of course). Would love to hear more about USB4 since most of the buzz seems to be about the 40Gbps speeds and not the 20Gbps stuff.
If we can get an OEM to spec a laptop with a fully functioning USB4 port on a Ryzen laptop (PCIE tunneling) could I get the Asus Inwin gpu dock I already have to work on it?
These Ryzen laptops do look pretty great, and adding an egpu over USB4 would be a dream
I was thinking about the nuisance and rigmarole I go through plugging in my Sony mirrorless camera, and with USB4 starting to show up in devices I thought it might be worth looking at the numbers.
From what I can tell, USB4 could be a fantastic solution. It has a 40Gbps bandwidth and there's a lot of USB standards like Power Delivery and DisplayPort-over-USB that make it incredibly versatile for what it can do. Lots of people in new media like using mirrorless or DSLR cameras now for streaming or YouTube, and I know there's plenty of professional photographers or videographers that during lockdowns would love to use their higher-end cameras as webcams. USB4 should be able to do this. From looking at the numbers, it should be able to use the DisplayPort 1.4 standard over USB to carry the AV signal out (so it works like a webcam), use the PowerDelivery protocol to charge a battery and/or completely power the camera (I don't know about cinema cameras but 100W and in the future 240W should be plenty I would think), and obviously copying data off the camera.
I should think with the right balance of those, and Windows autoplay, it would be possible to plug in at least a smaller DSLR or mirrorless camera with a single-cable solution to start charging the battery or fully power the camera (thus saving battery health), get a video/audio output to a the computer, and start copying off the footage or photos from the internal storage.
My question is, are there any cameras as of yet that can do this, or are there any upcoming cameras that are supposed to be capable of this one-cable solution?
I even provided this suggestion to Sony because I think a lot of people would find a one-cable solution extremely convenient, not to mention having a more robust connector with the USB-C plug. Sony customer support told me they can't accept ideas from the public because of potential "legal issues."
I don't know if anyone has one, but using a TB3-4/USB4 40Gb/s m.2 SSD enclosure, plus an m.2 to pci-e x4/x16 adapter like this:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/146425265092820993/908956969711312946/M-2-NGFF-NVMe-M-Key2280-To-PCIe-3-0-4x-Riser-Card-Cable-PCI-Express.png
I ordered a TB3 to m.2 enclosure, but i'm 99% sure the one i ordered won't work with this. Since i ordered the Sabrent TB3 dual m.2 NVME enclosure, since i'll have 1 extra USB4, but 2 extra SSDs.. /shrugs.
So if anyone has the parts, would you mind testing this? Even a old low power GPU like a GT 710 or anything would be great. So let me know if you've had any success with this.
My future plans are to make the smallest eGPU that uses a laptop's MXM gpu like a 1070MQ, that has it's own batteries. Since i just put in an order for a GPD Win Max 2021(i7 1195g7). And being able to have a super small self contained eGPU would be awesome.
Thank you.
PS: IMO Valve messed up by not putting USB4 in their steam deck.
I made a post earlier about why do Thunderbolt 4 expansion cards need special motherboard headers and got the answer that it is required for some hot plugging capability. USB 3 expansion cards can have peripherals hot plugged without motherboard headers and just need a PCIe slot. Would USB4 expansion cards require proprietary headers on the motherboard?
Regarding the 40Gbps speed and Thunderbolt 3 compatibility, would USB4 work on existing interface(specifically USB-C front panel header and 20-pin mobo connector), or would it require an entirely new set of hardware standards as well?
Hey, im looking at the website and i see the port is labeled as USB4 but still had the thunderbolt icon in the picture
I have an egpu with a 1060 6gb card connected to my tv that has been working really good for the main things I play, but some of the more CPU intensive games struggle.
Just trying to confirm that I would be able to swap the motherboard and still use it in the same way so I can plan on just getting the mb instead of planning for a long-time desktop build.
Thanks!
Just got a SLS, and I'm having trouble with the USB4 ports. Specifically, they don't appear to be working. For example, If I connect my Galaxy S21 to them, the phone recognizes that it's connected to something but that's it. The SLS doesn't recognize anything at all.
So defective or am I missing something simple?
Howdy,
I have a new laptop in the mail which has USB4/TB4 and I would like to setup an EGPU. A PC that is leaving my desk has a 1660Super which is all I need right now, but when I looked for an enclosure I was surprised that no vendor has put of a USB4/TB4 version yet. Are there any models out that I'm not seeing or is it still all TB3? Has anyone even announced one yet?
Thanks.
Looks like publishing Linux code to drive USB4 new standard suggests new AMD's chips coming maybe this month! AMD's latest Ryzen were announced Oct 2020 available November 2020 so this is a good sign:
"We don't know exactly what architecture will come with USB4, however, rumors are floating around that AMD's Ryzen 6000 series APUs codenamed "Yellow Carp" and "Rembrandt" could feature USB4 connectivity. If so, then AMD will likely be targeting laptops for USB4 adoption first before bringing it over to desktop Ryzen-based CPUs and Radeon RDNA-based graphics cards."
"Tunneling is a new feature introduced to USB4 that comes from the port's Thunderbolt 3 integration."
So USB4 is awesome and it also means NEW GPUs coming to use such... !
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-linux-usb4-displayport-tunneling-driver
Linux 5.16 distribution is near so devices could be released after especially as Linux usually was after Windows releases and Windows 11 is a major release to support USB4 and new laptops we've been waiting for, not just upgrading old processors from Windows 10.
Little delay to fix the performance hit in Windows 11 so that could be the reason before releasing the new devices but should be soon!
Like a lot of people I was very excited to hear about the Steam Deck. It has a very powerful and efficient APU and should run a plethora of games at 720p in medium to high settings. That is well and great for a handheld.
But if you still want to use it docked i will lack the firepower to game at high resolutions and framerates.
A lot of people think that it is not possible to have Thunderbolt 3 in with AMD CPUs but that is not entirely true. Sure it is made by intel but it can be licensed. For instance Asrock does have an AMD mobo with thunderbolt 3 support.
With a thunderbolt 3/4 port or a less powerful USB4 port, we would be able to attach an eGPU to it in order to be able to play more demanding games.
