Tenet (film) Puns

The scene explains the opera house siege and that Sator suspects/is aware that JDW is a secret agent. The last algorithm piece was unearthed in 2008, then went through a few different hands until it was supposed to be traded at the opera house, which both JDW's CIA team and Sator's team intercepted and tried to obtain.

This is a bizarre scene because it's trying to do 2 completely contradictory things - important exposition, and immersive audio to really capture the feeling of being on the catamaran. Remove the dialogue completely and it's a pretty compelling scene to just watch and listen to, but with the dialogue you're just annoyed that you're having to strain to hear IMPORTANT exposition

They really should have hardcoded subtitles for this scene alone. That way they can do both the loud waves and music while still making the dialogue known. This was one of the only scenes I had a problem with audio-wise, the other being a few lines said by Aaron Taylor-Johnson's character which for the life of me I still don't understand. I've seen other movies which use subtitles in places like nightclubs so they can get really loud without losing dialogue, and Tenet would benefit from that here

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I mean holy shit, regardless of whether or not it got released in theaters, it was a slog to sit through and wasn’t all that groundbreaking or great. The characters were mediocre at best, the plot was convoluted yet predictable and not at all intriguing, everything felt flat, the acting was alright at best (except for Aaron Taylor Johnson who actually did a good job with the limited dialogue he got). Ironically it’s better that the movie was released on VoD and should’ve been from the get-go: I would’ve hated sitting through that in a theater for so many hours.

Halfway through Tenet I started to think, okay Nolan might have bit off more than he could chew. I thought after all of this I might not care what the final tell all reveal is because it will be to late. That’s exactly how I felt. Saw the reveal and went, “eh”. But why though? What made it dull for me? I mean, it may be one of his best scored movies, but it fell flat everywhere else. I think it’s because it lacked character.

The age old question that is heavily opinionated, “whats more important, character or plot?” Became clear to me. My answer is character. It had its cool plot which made you guess at everything the whole movie (not a fan of that really) But i didn’t care if anyone died in this film. Couldn’t care less. It lacked emotion from start to finish. It was never a compelling character story and I couldn’t identify really any character arcs. I just didn’t care! Tension and suspense are usually living in a space where it only works if we care about the people. The movie did have its suspense with its Timers, good news bad news, ticking clocks, raises steaks on every page.. but it didn’t have the tension which is emotional significance of anticipated events. My heart just wasn’t in it.

I’ve seen movies like sunset limited which is essentially in one room, and I’ve enjoyed that more than the heavily plotted Tenet. We love the movies we love because of the connection we have with the characters. Watching them making attempts to change their life and whether they succeed or Fail doesn’t matter. All that matters is that we feel that connection with those characters. Avatar last airbender had a great plot of course but it would be nothing without its amazing character arcs and character familiarity. Until I see a story with all plot and no character that I still find compelling, I’m on team character.

So after watching tenet twice and thinking it over for a day, I think I fully get how time inversion works, but I also realized that a lot of the time tenet chooses to break those rules when convenient.

For those who don’t know, the way time inversion works in tenet is that there are these machines called turnstiles which can reverse the flow of time of anything that enters it. Imagine time as an arrow that moves in the direction time is moving. Right is forward, left is backwards. In your standard time travel film (think back to the future or the prisoner of Azkaban), time travel works by having this arrow continue to the right until you time travel, at which point there will be an abrupt break, and the arrow will snap back a certain amount to the left, but it’s direction will still be to the right, just offset a bit. In tenet, when you time travel, your arrow does a U-turn, moving left as, relative to you, time progresses. This means that everyone will see what inverted you is doing in reverse. If you invert yourself, then do action A, B, and C, from the perspective of everyone else, you did, or really un-did, them in the order of C, B, then A. It’s worth noting that there is a universal “master clock” which has the forward direction. This dictates how gravity works and other time-based natural phenomena.

One of the times tenet breaks its own rules is during that weird car chase sequence, when the car un-crashes itself and it turns out later that that was an inverted Protagonist driving the car. If the car wasn’t inverted, only the driver, there is no way it should’ve been able to defy gravity like that. If, according to the universe’s master clock, the car was crashed in the past, and then un-crashed in the future, how long was the crashed car sitting there? Were people just driving around it weeks in the past while it just sat there, waiting to de-crash itself? The cause and effect should be reversed for anyone inverted so that everything plays out normally to everyone else.

This cause/effect issue also happens in the final battle sequence, when we see inverted people killing non-inverted people (from the perspective of the inverted). This doesn’t make sense, as again, it suggests that the people were dead before the battle and alive after, which shouldn’t be the case for a non-inverted person. An interesting property about inversion I’m disappointed the movie tried to get around rather than explore is the kind of “premonitions” inverted people wo

An agent of Tenet is waiting nervously in a room. A large table is nearby with a blue tarp on it covering a large mass. The agent has been instructed not to touch or go near it. An unfriendly group of people arrive and a trade is made with a large case.

However the agent is already aware that something is not right about this meeting, and sure enough, these people draw guns intending to double cross and the agent goes for cover.

Suddenly a masked soldier bursts from under the tarp, shielding the agent from the gunfire by being "healed". He's wielding an assault rifle. Inverted bullets fly inward from around the room eliminating the threat. The soldier disappears leaving the agent stunned. Corpses all around him, he goes over to the table where he finds printed instructions on how to secure what he was given as well as his next location, a turnstile....and that's when he realizes this trade-off is a temporal pincer and he's the soldier under the tarp that saves his past self.

With the additional estimated $160,000 gross on The Croods 24th weekend, it narrowly edges out Tenet ($57, 929, 000) with a gross of $58,008,510 domestically.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaIqGGhVeFc

I am talking about this.

https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/interstellar-2014

> And for all of the director’s activism on behalf of shooting on film, the tactile beauty of the movie’s 35mm and 65mm textures isn’t matched by a sense of composition. The camera rarely tells the story in Nolan’s movies. More often it illustrates the screenplay, and there are points in this one where I felt as if I was watching the most expensive NBC pilot ever made.

This is an overall positive review mind you and yet the critic felt this one particular weakness needed to be pointed out and I agree with him. I generally really like Nolan's films and usually don't share many complaints people have of him like the heavy exposition (I actually enjoy it), the sound mixing (never felt like an issue, usually enhanced the theatrical experience for me), etc...

Of the issues I did agree with (like poor hand to hand combat scenes and goofy extras for example) the ones targeting his camera work especially in dialogue scenes was the biggest one . While I am not an expert on topic, I've always felt his camera work outside of action scenes ranged from mostly "functional" to occasionally pretty good. He has never shown to be a director who raise the tension or a particular feeling through meticulous camera moments like say Fincher(who's probably at the extreme of Nolan). I don't think there's single memorable long take in a Nolan film?

That being said I think there's a noticeable improvement he has shown in that regard and I've seen others express similar sentiments in that his camera work seems to be more dynamic. As I said I am not an expert on this(I still haven't properly learnt to understand/notice nuanced camera work in film myself) and want to know what others here think of it.

Taking challenges from allcomers on this, will explain anything about this movie.

edit I'm sorry if I didn't get to answer your specific question, there were a lot more than I was expecting but I think that I have answered everything that someone else didn't answer for me at least once in this thread. The hardest question brought up multiple times was "where did the crashed Saab come from", here is the thread where I really got into that

edit I think we have a winner:

https://www.reddit.com/r/tenet/comments/ilaaba/tenet_is_a_perfect_time_travel_film_with_zero/g4xwyrk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3

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OK it's been brought up a few times and I think that it is a real hole and a massive one at that, namely:

"Chasing" someone through a Turnstile doesn't make any sense.

When Sator Inverts to escape Ives' guys, let's say he does this at precisely 12:00, then 5 minutes pass and Ives and crew go through to invert and "chase" him, it is now 12:05. So if they know how inversion works which we know they do, why do they not just wait outside the turnstile after inverting until 12:00 when Sator would could out of the Turnstile and get him?

This is even more glaringly weird in the scene in Oslo where TP goes into the Freeport first to "clear" it. He fights himself and goes into the Turnstile first say at 12:00, and then he hijacks the Ambulance and waits for Neil to arrive, say at 12:05. But Neil "waiting" for TP to clear the Freeport while inverted means that his inverting "after" TP in backwards time would mean he would be coming out BEFORE TP in normal time. If Neil enters the turnstile at 11:55 then that means he would have beaten TP to the Ambulance, or TP would have had at least had to pass him.

The only way I can see around this is if somehow some sort of relativistic time-distance is kept between two parties but that seems to require some kind of multiverse shenanigans.

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I've posted this as a YouTube comment as well. SPOILER I know people keep bringing up the whole Neil is Max theory. But I genuinely think it could be the case. Look at the final scene again. The fact it has Neil doing the voiceover as a sad looking protagonist watches a young Neil/Max walk with Kat. Then it cuts to them walking before they hold hands. It feels like the Inception "is it or isn't it?" ending. Why is the protagonist sad in the car as he watches Kat collect Max? Why is he choked up when saying, "Mission accomplished" after shooting Priya. All he's done is shoot a lady he barely knows, and he's saved Kat, he should be relieved. Also, the music starts out emotional and when it shows Kat walking with Max (as Neil does the voice over) it builds in tension until the moment they hold hands, at which point the music is very intense, before it cuts to black and stops. The music and the protagonist being sad doesn't make sense. If you assume they aren't the same person, this last shot with the music has so much emotion in it, and it doesn't seem to match if it's literally just because she got to be with her son. But the intensity of the music is at its peak when they hold hands, and all the emotion has then left the music. It's as if that intensity is revealing something to us. Honestly, watch that scene again from when the protagonist watches on looking depressed and imagine both Neil is Max and Neil isn't Max. See which one fits the vibe and the music.

It could be that the protagonist in this scene is now in contact with his future self. He says to Priya they've both been working for a future him, but he also says, "I told you you'd have to start looking at the world in a new way."

He didn't say this to her before, it was the other way around, but this line coming from him implies it was his future self that told her this first, and she then told his younger self. But how would he know his future self told her this? Maybe the future protagonist told this to young protagonist on the phone after their recent contact, as well as that Priya is working for him. It would then click that Priya got this line from her employer and educator on inversion; the future protagonist. When teaching them about inversion and what's possible it makes sense to tell them this. He probably told young protagonist this without realising Priya had already told him earlier in the film.

Prior to tying up the loose ends by killing Priya the young prota

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Let’s be real here. The only reason it has an above average rating on movie websites is because it has Christopher Nolan’s name on it.

Let me say that Nolan is an outstanding director and this movie does not change that imo. He is a visionary and does things other directors simply aren’t doing. But like all directors, there are some movies made that aren’t really good. This is one of them for Nolan.

This movie has, among other things: -a bad plot -bad acting -terribly bad characters -and the main concept which does not make sense. -AND THE WORST THING: the horrendous, absolute mockery of film - the audio mixing. I have seen first time student filmmakers do a better job of audio than this trash.

It has only one good action scene in the middle of the movie and that’s it. It has some well shot and well edited scenes.

Going into some of these specifically:

• why is the plot so unnecessarily complex ? The female character is the only one is has the slightest relatable motivation (still too complex of a back story). Everyone else is a 1-D cardboard cutout of a character with no layers.

• no one really shines in performances either. Pattinson is hard to understand even when the audio mix is bare-able. John David is not special here at all. And don’t get me started on Kenneth branaugh - who’s performance as a Russian evil guy was arguably worse than his turn as a Russian evil guy from his Jack Ryan movie.

• the central concept makes absolutely no sense - if a bullet can go in reverse - who put it there below the tiles on the floor in the opera house in the first place ? How would it appear there?

• who tf was Aaron Taylor Johnson? Why did he suddenly come out of nowhere ?

-Why is there a super complex algorithm macguffin that is basically a few pieces of metal stuck together ?

• this movie is considered by some to be “genius” and smarter than it actually is ONLY because Nolan has directed it. If his name wasn’t attached, I believe that very few people or even no one would call it that.

• why did Nolan give up on character ? What happened to the relatable and likeable characters of dicaprio from inception, maccaughany from interstellar, and practically ALL the characters in the dark knight ?

This movie should have stayed as a short film showcasing the technical difficulties of making it and fighting in reverse. Sadly all efforts of the stunt teams are overshadowed by the negative aspects of this movie.

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Today's film is Tenet.

Director: Christopher Nolan

Starring: John David Washington, Robert Pattinson, Elizabeth Debicki

Trailer: Official Trailer

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Metacritic: 69

Rotten Tomatoes: 70

Nomination Categories: Best Production Design, Best Visual Effects

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaIqGGhVeFc