I've heard references to theories that claim that final redaction was after the Babylonian exile (the final redactor commonly suggested to be Ezra). And even heard mention of theories that some of the J/E/P/D sources may have post-dated the Babylonian exile or be written during the Babylonian exile.

But the Samaritan Torah exists, uses the old Hebrew script (rather than the modern Hebrew script that was picked up during the Babylonian exile) and appears to mostly match other existing versions of the Torah/Pentateuch (from the Mazoretic Texts and Septuagint).

How is this explained by post-exilic theories of authorship and/or final redaction? Is the idea that the Samaritans saw the final version of the Torah, transcribed it from the new post-Babylonian Hebrew script back into the old Hebrew script, and then claimed that they had been using that version all along including while the rest of the israelites were in exile?

Don't get me wrong, I know there are plenty of groups throughout history who have falsely claimed biblical links (Mormons claiming links to the tribes of Israel jumps to mind). But the Samaritans seem to me to have decent claim to authenticity (using an older script, DNA tests showing they do have the male Levite line).

When theories suggest a post-Babylonian exile final redactor, or even post-Babylonian authorship of one of the sources, how is that explained?

TLDR: Samaritan version of Pentateuch proves pre-exilic composition/standardization of the Pentateuch by at least a few centuries. Post exilic Hypothesis BTFO'd.

Summary

The Samaritan Pentateuch so closely parallels the Septuagint and Masoretic (Jewish) texts, that it appears impossible to me to ascribe to an intra/post-exilic documentary hypothesis. They most likely stem from a common document that was well-standardized at least by the time of the Exile or earlier. At minimum, they must stem from an oral tradition that emerged and remained virtually unchanged centuries prior to the post-exilic period (seems more tenuous then the existence of a shared pre-exilic document in the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah).

So called "late" sections of the Pentateuch are virtually identical:

Though we see some differences, but not a lot, even in portions asserted to be late compositions on part of documentarists/supplementarists. Compare Genesis 1, which of the Samaritan Pentateuch, which is considered to be a prime example of the later, "Yahwist" additions from exilic or post exilic period:

https://www.stepbible.org/?q=version=SPE|reference=Gen.1&options=VNHUG

Notable content differences are references to Mt. Gerizim, but these tend to constitute sections included in the Samaritan (and sometimes the Septuagint) but omitted in the Masoretic. Generally, ancient peoples liked to add new interpolations to established texts, rather than delete well-established sections. Compare Interlinear Masoretic/Samaritan Exodus 20:

https://www.stepbible.org/?q=version=SPMT|reference=Exod.20&options=VUNHG

Alternatively, parallels in the Samaritan text and Septuagint simply allude to interpolations/changes introduced much later by Masoretes, but still point to a common shared ancestor document in the pre-exile period.

How could Jews and Samaritans produce such similar documents while separated in Samaria/Babylon or after returning to Palestine and viewing each other as heretics?

The modern the supplementary/documentary hypotheses are thus examples of lazy naval-gazing (I will not do them the honor of calling them "scholarship") that ignore a long-known source material. To continue to argue these positions in lieu of Samaritan evidence would suggest that after the exile the Samaritans and Jews decide

I've read that the prevalent theory today of the authorship of the Pentateuch is that the Persian authorities required the Jews to present a single text of their history and religion. If so, why is the Samaritan Pentateuch almost identical to the Jewish one?

So, I'm making the following assumptions, which maybe aren't true:

1. The Samaritan Pentateuch is close but not identical to the Jewish version
2. The Samaritan community split from the Jewish one no later than the end of the Babylonian Captivity (the Samaritans claim Eli caused the split, but I'm not even sure if there's evidence he existed)
3. The Samaritans and Jews were hostile to each other, or at least considered the other group heretical, consistently from then on

If these facts are all accurate, though, it seems unlikely to me that the Samaritans would've adopted a document written by, say, Ezra as the core of their religion. Is there any evidence that this is what happened? How do advocates of later Torah authorship justify this?

How would multiple sources for the Old Testament work practically? At some point the text had to get into the shape that was passed down to present time, so how would that look like?

What I mean is would you have an editor who took multiple documents and then stitched them together? Would you have an old core document and then later editors removed and added sections? Or would you have an editor at some point taking a variety of manuscripts belonging to different traditions and then attempting to harmonize them?

Has there ever been a translation of the Old Testament that compares textual variations between:

1- The Masoretic text

2- The Greek Septuagint

3- Samaritan Pentateuch

4- Syriac manuscripts (Peshitta)

5- The Aramaic Targums

6- The Dead Sea Scrolls

7- The Ethiopian Amharic text

For example the NRSV will often mention variations between the Greek, Syriac, and Vulgate translations in comparison to the Masoretic Hebrew; but not in every instance.

- In Exodus 6:20 the Masoretic text reads "Amram married Jochebed his father’s sister and she bore him Aaron and Moses, and the length of Amram’s life was one hundred thirty-seven years"

- Yet the Brenton Septuagint reads "And Ambram took to wife Jochabed the daughter of his father's brother, and she bore to him both Aaron and Moses, and Mariam their sister: and the years of the life of Ambram were a hundred and thirty-two years."

- The NETS reads "And Amram, took Iochabed, the daughter of his father's brother, for his wife, and she bore him both Aaron and Moyses, and Mariam their sister: Now the years of Amram's life were one hundred thirty-six years.

- The same translation applies to the Syriac and Aramaic Targums.

Translations such as the ESV, ASV, NRSV, and RSV do not make mention of such textual variants.

Has there been a critical edition of the Old Testament that incorporates (at least in the form of footnotes) all major textual variants?

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There is religious poetry ; love poetry ; wisdom or reflective compositions ; historical works (Ruth, Esther, Ezra-Nehemiah, and Chronicles ); and apocalypse . I don’t agree with all of Michener’s assumptions and theological conclusions. However, the book is great reading in terms of helping one sense the drama of biblical events.

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Are El Elyon and Yahweh the same?

And are all other names given for God throughout the Bible eg El Roi, for the same God, the Heavenly Father?

Thanks.

I’ve heard a lot of misinformation from Christian apologists, so I want to know what exactly the Documentary Hypothesis is and isn’t.

I don't want to step on anybody's toes here, but the amount of non-dad jokes here in this subreddit really annoys me. First of all, dad jokes CAN be NSFW, it clearly says so in the sub rules. Secondly, it doesn't automatically make it a dad joke if it's from a conversation between you and your child. Most importantly, the jokes that your CHILDREN tell YOU are not dad jokes. The point of a dad joke is that it's so cheesy only a dad who's trying to be funny would make such a joke. That's it. They are stupid plays on words, lame puns and so on. There has to be a clever pun or wordplay for it to be considered a dad joke.

Again, to all the fellow dads, I apologise if I'm sounding too harsh. But I just needed to get it off my chest.

The nurse asked the rabbit, “what is your blood type?”

“I am probably a type O” said the rabbit.

The doctor says it terminal.

Alot of great jokes get posted here! However just because you have a joke, doesn't mean it's a dad joke.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT NSFW, THIS IS ABOUT LONG JOKES, BLONDE JOKES, SEXUAL JOKES, KNOCK KNOCK JOKES, POLITICAL JOKES, ETC BEING POSTED IN A DAD JOKE SUB

Try telling these sexual jokes that get posted here, to your kid and see how your spouse likes it.. if that goes well, Try telling one of your friends kid about your sex life being like Coca cola, first it was normal, than light and now zero , and see if the parents are OK with you telling their kid the "dad joke"

I'm not even referencing the NSFW, I'm saying Dad jokes are corny, and sometimes painful, not sexual

So check out r/jokes for all types of jokes

r/unclejokes for dirty jokes

r/3amjokes for real weird and alot of OC

r/cleandadjokes If your really sick of seeing not dad jokes in r/dadjokes

Punchline !

Edit: this is not a post about NSFW , This is about jokes, knock knock jokes, blonde jokes, political jokes etc being posted in a dad joke sub

Edit 2: don't touch the thermostat

Do your worst!

How the hell am I suppose to know when it’s raining in Sweden?

Mathematical puns makes me number

We told her she can lean on us for support. Although, we are going to have to change her driver's license, her height is going down by a foot. I don't want to go too far out on a limb here but it better not be a hack job.

Ants don’t even have the concept fathers, let alone a good dad joke. Keep r/ants out of my r/dadjokes.

But no, seriously. I understand rule 7 is great to have intelligent discussion, but sometimes it feels like 1 in 10 posts here is someone getting upset about the jokes on this sub. Let the mods deal with it, they regulate the sub.

They were cooked in Greece.

I'm surprised it hasn't decade.

He lost May

Now that I listen to albums, I hardly ever leave the house.

Said if she ever hosts a gender reveal party, when it comes time to pop the balloon she'll spray everyone with water.

Gender is fluid.

Two muffins are in an oven, one muffin looks at the other and says "is it just me, or is it hot in here?"

Then the other muffin says "AHH, TALKING MUFFIN!!!"

Don't you know a good pun is its own reword?

For context I'm a Refuse Driver (Garbage man) & today I was on food waste. After I'd tipped I was checking the wagon for any defects when I spotted a lone pea balanced on the lifts.

I said "hey look, an escaPEA"

No one near me but it didn't half make me laugh for a good hour or so!

Edit: I can't believe how much this has blown up. Thank you everyone I've had a blast reading through the replies 😂

It really does, I swear!

But let me give it a shot.

And now I’m cannelloni

>The New Testament also furnishes proof of the antiquity of some of the Samaritan Pentateuch’s readings against the Masoretic Text. In Acts 7:4, Stephen says that Abraham left Haran for Canaan after his father died, agreeing with the Samaritan Pentateuch; the Masoretic Text claims that Abraham’s father died sixty years after he had left (Genesis 11:32)

-excerpt from When God Spoke Greek by Timothy Michael Law

I’m confused bc Genesis 11-12 in the masoretic text also has Terah die before Abraham is told to go to Canaan. Or am I reading it wrong?

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I used to surf the internet rabbit hole of fringe religious groups, some of the most interesting ones are Judaizer/Sacred Name/Messianic Jewish websites that romanticize a pure and ancient form of the Old Testament as if it had the original manuscripts written by their traditional authors, for example, the 10 commandments in Paleo-Hebrew.

They usually did the same with the New Testament, supporting the Aramaic primacy of the pure language of "Yahshua" against a conspiracy of pagan Greeks/Romans to corrupt the pure scriptures of YHWH and whatnot, I noticed that the obsession with preserving Hebraisms and making the texts look more ancient and sacred is a Hebrew Roots/Black Hebrew Israelite/New Religious Movement thing, I have never seen other Jews and Christians do this.

However, have there been any scholarly attempts to reconstruct the Tanakh into a Paleo-Hebrew text? the Samaritan Pentateuch is written in an alphabet that is similar to Paleo-Hebrew, so it could be used to reconstruct at least the Torah into its ancient script.

When you search for Paleo-Hebrew Bible there are some purported ones made by Messianic Jewish sects but you cannot see them unless you buy them, and that is about it as far as I am aware, Example 1, Example 2, Example 3.

He’s the new temp.

But that’s comparing apples to oranges

And boy are my arms legs.

Amy