Is the concept of individual words innate to human language, or does it arise as a result of written language?

We can very intuitively pick out what makes up a single word in our language ... or at least most of the time. Highschool is one word but ice cream isn't, even though the stress pattern is the same and they're both compound nouns. This can be hard to predict and I second guess myself (of course this is anecdotal but it makes me wonder).

So, is it writing that makes a word a word? Can illiterate people discern what a single word is as easily?

languages with different levels of synthesis have vastly different boundaries for where words begin. Polysynthetic languages count whole sentences at words, but do they? Why couldn't 'inuktitusunguvit' ('do you speak inuktitut', probably spelling it wrong) be spelled 'inuktitu su ngu viit'? the typical answer is that the individual parts it the word change from the roots, but in what way is this different from inflection? su could be described as a form of 'suuq' depending where it occurs in an utterance. (in the above word/ sentence suuq becomes su in that context, disclaimer: I don't speak inuktitut) Why is suuq becoming su grounds for it not being a word because of its dependency on surrounding sounds, why not the indefinite a/an in english?

I suppose what makes a word a word is the underlying stress patterns, but Is this universally recognized? Why would the concept of a single word as we know it mean anything to an illiterate speaker of a polysynthetic language? Wouldn't they be more likely to understand their language in terms of the individual roots?

How much research has been conducted on how language itself is perceived by speakers of very different languages, as well as illiterate people and people of varying socioeconomic status?

It wouldn't surprise me if many languages had no word for 'word', and what we've translated into english and the modern written world was something different.

I could be wrong though. Does anyone know much about all this?

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A sign of innate grammar? Deaf Nicaraguan children in the 1980s spontaneously developed their own sign language unrelated to any other existing language. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nic…
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SprachgefΓΌhl: a seemingly innate understanding of what is idiomatic or grammatical in a given language collinsdictionary.com/us/…
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Newborn babies are born with the innate skills needed to pick out words from language, a new study published in Developmental Science reveals. news.liverpool.ac.uk/2019…
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Innate Language |Noam Chomsky youtube.com/watch?v=371j-…
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TIL: The king of Scotland sent two boys to be raised by a mute woman on an island, to try and discover if language was innate or learned. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/L…
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Newborn babies are born with the innate skills needed to pick out words from language, a new study published in Developmental Science reveals. news.liverpool.ac.uk/2019…
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TIL of King Psamtik I, who conducted the first recorded experiment in psychology. He sought to prove that the innate language was Egyptian. He sent two infants to live secluded in care w/out ever hearing words. The conclusion: Phrygian. One babys first word was "becos," Phrygia's word for bread. wikipedia.org/wiki/Psamti…
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People who use keysmashes when responding to something may actually be speaking an alien language unknowingly - channeling their innate ability to speak that language.
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Scientists have discovered that all babies are born knowing a single common language. However, constant exposure to speech in other languages causes us to forget this innate language.
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Innate languages and what does that mean for a world?

Current humans have evolved to develop language skills. If you take a group of 20 humans, isolate them, they will eventually develop a rudimentary language to communicate with each other. A different group of 20 humans will develop a different language that could be completely different than the first group.

Here's why I'm mentioning humans: Blink Dogs.

They have an intelligence of 10 and their own language called "Blink Dog." Let's say you take a blink dog puppy and keep it away from other Blink Dogs. Would it still be able to "speak" Blink Dog? This is realm specific, but what about in the Forgotten Realms?

What would it mean for a society of people (Dragonborn, Elves, Dwarves, etc.,) that are born already knowing the basic concept of a particular language? Like, what if a group of Dragonborn left in isolation would always create the Draconic language if given enough time?

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Elsa from frozen is a god. She creates sentient life with the innate ability for language.
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[Serious] As a non-native English speaker, which jokes bypass a huge audience based on innate language differences?
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Why do people use an upward inflection at the end of a sentence to indicate a question in every language (that I've heard of)? Is there something innate to it, or is it simply cultural?
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Newborn babies are born with the innate skills needed to pick out words from language, a new study published in Developmental Science reveals. news.liverpool.ac.uk/2019…
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In-group bias is not innate! Recent TEDx talk discusses latest research showing that infants have no preference for their own race or language and that this preference is shaped by early experience. youtu.be/eH5qxw6Pd1c
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TIL Enindhilyagwa is an Australian Aboriginal language spoken by the Warnindhilyagwa people. A 2001 Australian government study identified more than 1000 speakers and it was cited in a study on whether humans had an innate ability to count without having words for numbers en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eni…
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Newborn babies are born with the innate skills needed to pick out words from language, a new study published in Developmental Science reveals. news.liverpool.ac.uk/2019…
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TIL "Huh" is the universal word, say linguists. "Huh" is not innate (other primates don't say it), but the circumstances of its use (needing to quickly and briefly prompt another speaker to repeat herself) are universal, so languages that share no commonalities still converged on this word. journals.plos.org/plosone…
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Does the brain have lots of innate modules for face recognition, imitation, and language? And how many are really necessary to build powerful AI?

A comment I used to hear a lot is that in order to build AI, people will need to hard-code a large number of highly specialized modules, and wire them together, just like in the brain -- a module for face recognition, a module for language, a module for imitation learning, and so on. There is lots of experimental evidence for this, based on looking at how babies respond to faces, say, or based on looking at how the brain lights up in FMRI when viewing faces. Babies seem to be too young to have learned face-looking, and the eerie similarity in FMRI patterns across subjects speaks to the existence of a β€œface module” that is innate, and not learned.

But are these really innate? And what if a brain is missing a few of these capabilities, might the person still be mostly normal? -- And, therefore, could AI be built with a much smaller number of components that currently seem necessary?

In the past couple of years, there has been evidence calling some of the above experimental findings into question. For example, a recent Harvard experiment with primates suggests that learning is necessary for the development of face-looking:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/09/whats-in-a-face-if-monkeys-dont-see-them-as-babies-they-dont-know/

> The results, write Arcaro and his colleagues, suggest that β€œface looking by infants is not innate.” A simpler explanation, they suggest, is that newborns have something much more basic in their brains: a perceptual bias for a particular set of shapes and a bias to look at moving things. Put those biases in an environment with a lot of faces, and face recognition emerges.

Recent evidence uncovered in a study at Stanford indicates that grammar is learned (not to be confused with Chomsky's notion of a "Universal Grammar"), not innate:

http://news.stanford.edu/2017/02/22/new-research-toddlers-grammar-skills-learned-not-innate/

There are other studies showing that certain statistical regularities in the structure of language have simple explanations, where previously the regularities were thought to be a sign of particular innate structures. There still might be subtle biases that improve grammar learning (with heavy emphasis on the word β€œsubtle”).

The claim that imitation is largely an innate ability, turned out not to replicate in a Reproducibility Project experiment:

https://digest.bps.org.uk/2016/05/20/a-classic-finding-about-newborn-babies-imitation-skills-is-probably-wrong/

This was a complete shock, and th

... keep reading on reddit ➑

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How do things like religion or language that are not innate or born with, unlike physical appearance or eye color, nonetheless become racialized to be seen as fixed/hereditary parts of people's identities?

Some categories defined linguistically (like Hispanics) or religiously ( Muslims, Jews) become treated like "races" in the US in mass media, even though they are defined by things that are socialized and not inherited (you can convert away from religion, lose or gain a language) and are not the same as races in the sense of people born with a physical feature (eg. blonde hair, dark skin etc.).

What accounts for people wanting to racialize communities that are defined not by physical appearance but other, cultural features, resulting in people perceiving the group to be defined by physical appearance first, rather than culture? Is there a sociological or psychological reason why people have this tendency?

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But the fact that... your daughter prefers glittery pastels and fairy wands and my-little-ponies is not evidence of an innate, inborn, inherently... female predisposition... any more than their remarkable fluency in the English language indicates an inborn predisposition to speak English. feministmormonhousewives.…
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[#13|+4341|543] TIL "Huh" is the universal word, say linguists. "Huh" is not innate (other primates don't say it), but the circumstances of its use (needing to quickly and briefly prompt another speaker to repeat herself) are universal, so languages that share no commonalities ... [/r/todayilearned] reddit.com/r/todayilearne…
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Our pets suddenly develop language and innate curiosity about us. What do they ask you?
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Researchers at McGill University use fMRI to assess one's innate abilities for learning foreign languages β€” "Participants whose fMRIs had shown stronger connections between verbal fluency (left anterior insula/frontal operculum) and language (left superior temporal gyrus) scored highest." primemind.com/articles/st…
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Universal syllables - Some innate preferences shape the sound of words from birth: Linguists have noticed that some preferences in the sound of words that can be found across languages. They wonder if this reflects existence of a universal, innate biological basis of language sciencedaily.com/releases…
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How do infants learn a language? Is it an innate behavior that infants are born with or do they learn through repetition?

By innate I mean the possibility that their brains are wired to begin to learn how to use their mouths and make noises in order to communicate?

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I read about an ancient 'proto-language' that researches said is innate to all humans. Do you know what this is or where I can read more?

This was an academic article from a linguistics or neuroscience journal (I think) assigned by a philosophy of mind professor around 2006. It described what the author(s) said was a set of words innate to human cognition, from which early languages stemmed. The author likened it not to language but rather to a complex set of calls, similar to those of chimpanzees, and theorized that modern humans have some remnants of this inborn train.

All I can remember is that:

-It was believed that there were about 200 of these 'words'.

-The proto-word 'tal' meant 'tooth'

I can't find a damn thing on Google. Do you have any idea what I'm talking about?

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Nerd Nite Madison 8pm this Wednesday (4/11) @ the High Noon Saloon! Learn about The Joker's innate lack of true identity due to madness, why there are so many languages, and why ants are better than you. madison.nerdnite.com/2012…
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[Universal Grammar] Are there any other human traits widely considered to be instinctive or innate that require initial input for development like language does?

In my understanding, the reason feral children cannot speak is that, even though language is considered innate in the UG theory, they passed the critical period for learning language without any language input and therefore cannot learn to speak as adults.

I want to know if there are any other human innate abilities that require this kind of input at a young age to develop or that also have critical periods?

My professor wasn't sure, so I turn to you guys.

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TIL: The king of Scotland sent two boys to be raised by a mute woman on an island, to try and discover if language was innate or learned. - todayilearned reddit.com/r/todayilearne…
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[#13] TIL "Huh" is the universal word, say linguists. "Huh" is not innate (other primates don't say it), but the circumstances of its use (needing to quickly and briefly prompt another speaker to repeat herself) are universal, so languages that share no co [todayilearned] 539 comments reddit.com/r/todayilearne…
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Universal syllables - Some innate preferences shape the sound of words from birth: Linguists have noticed that some preferences in the sound of words that can be found across languages. They wonder if this reflects existence of a universal, innate biological basis of language sciencedaily.com/releases…
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"Gaben" is the universal word, say linguists. "Gaben" is not innate (other primates don't say it), but the circumstances of its use (needing to quickly and briefly prompt another speaker to put on a fedora) are universal, so languages that share no commonalities still converged on this word.
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TIL "Huh" is the universal word, say linguists. "Huh" is not innate (other primates don't say it), but the circumstances of its use (needing to quickly and briefly prompt another speaker to repeat herself) are universal, so languages that share no commonalities still converged on this word. reddit.com/r/todayilearne…
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If language is something innate, is writing acquired or an innate skills to master?
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If language is something innate, is writing acquired or an innate skill to master?
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If language is something innate, how to consider writing?
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