Gender pay gap Puns

I should preface this by saying I have absolutely no background in economics. I haven't arrived at the view I'm about to outline through research, but simply through thinking about it. The reason I'm making this post is to hopefully hear from people who have a better grasp on this stuff than me. I'm here for a productive and insightful discussion, not a debate.

So, my understanding of the gender pay gap is that there's a fairly significant ( ≈21% in the US) disparity in how much men and women are paid that can mostly be chalked up to differing career choices, levels of education and time taken off work for pregnancy and childcare. I think this is an objective fact pretty much everyone can get on board with. The divisive bit comes in once you account for the factors I mentioned above and are still left with a meaningful disparity (≈5% in the US). Feminists tend to say this remaining disparity is a result of pure misogyny.

I'm of the opinion that the entire pay gap is a problem, but especially the adjusted bit. That's because even though the majority of the disparity probably isn't the result of employers explicitly choosing to pay men more than women, it's still the result of patriarchal cultural factors, such as parents encouraging their sons to go to college but not their daughters. Also, I wonder how much of the "different career choices" can be attributed to women leaving competitive, high-earning fields of work due to harassment in the workplace.

Anyway, I have a feeling that an awful lot of those patriarchal cultural factors I alluded to stem from the fact that women generally need to take time off work as a result of childrearing and men don't. That's why I think the best thing we can do to meaningfully lower the gender pay gap is to promote paternity leave, both through cultural and legislative means. Ideally, I think every single person on earth should be entitled to at least 12 paid weeks off work upon childbirth or adoption. I realise many first world countries don't even guarantee paid maternity leave yet though, so I'm willing to set the net a little lower for a start. I'm not going to specify exactly what changes I want to be made because that would vary wildly from country to country, so I'll let you just go after my logic here.

I think this would greatly improve the pay gap situation (both the unadjusted and adjusted portions) as well as lead to societal improvements in other areas. For instance, I think it could lead to a decrease in

Found out after I exited my last job that my male predecessor was getting paid US $40,000 more than me! On paper, I had higher education, field specific certifications, AND years of experience, but apparently have boobies means I make less money. This is after intense negotiations, as I had a competing offer.

This was pre-Covid times and my industry was banking it. So economy wasn't an issue.

So ladies (and gents), discuss your salaries openly amongst each other, make sure you are getting paid for your worth and not your gender.

The pay gap seems to be very well accepted in the mainstream, is the science sound?

That is that woman get payed x % less per dollar than men for the same job.

I consider myself a feminist but only want to use sound arguments.

Edit: clearly there is a pay gap, I'm not arguing that. I'm asking whether that pay gap is due to sexism (which is commonly thought) or due to the differences in men and women, eg choice in jobs, hours worked etc.

I understand that the gender pay gap entails many factors such as hours worked, the type of job, etc. However, I have heard from various American women in social media that a woman doing the exact same job as a man will get paid less. I heard about this so much that I was under the impression it was even legally allowed by some loophole. I looked it up and it appears I was mistaken, from what I gathered this was made illegal in the 60's but do let me know if I'm wrong.

Is this something that does happen but is swept under the rug? Do companies tend to pay their female employees less?

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I didn't know my worth and it cost me. I finally handed in my notice the other day at a time I know would hurt us even more. I've raised the issue of pay before but wasn't taken seriously. We have 3 people including me with the same job title/duties in my team. They're both men and get paid the same as each other. One of us is leaving and they still haven't found his replacement yet and he leaves this week! That means there's only 2 of us at the moment with an increased workload.

They knew how bad it would get if I left during this time too. The workload would be on 1 person while they looked for my replacement as well. Not that I cared about that... not my problem, right? The head of my department asked me what can make me stay. I demanded more pay (and I asked for less than I was actually offered!), plus backpay for the previous year to match my male coworkers' pay.

I told him how tired I was of being paid less. He assured me it wasn't because of my gender but the odds are against the company if I took them to court for gender pay gap, and he knows it. I'm more experienced than the men. I was offered a £10k raise instead and 2 months backpay.

I took it. The new salary is just too appealing for me to pass up, but I'll continue looking for a better job because I deserve better. Gender pay is only one of their many issues.

Hello everyone, I'm currently researching the topic of the gender pay gap for a presentation. Through the EU website I found out, that Luxembourg has the lowest pay gap from all of the EU members, incredible 1.3%! (Source: https://ec.europa.eu/info/policies/justice-and-fundamental-rights/gender-equality/equal-pay/gender-pay-gap-situation-eu_en )

From your perspective, why is that? Special laws? Different gender roles in society? Different working contracts?

Btw, my country is pretty terrible in that aspect, so I applaud yours!

Do you think that you’ve made a decision to choose a slightly less demanding career or job to make up for your partner/husbands extremely demanding career?

I was just reading Claudia Goldin’s theory that a component of the gender pay gap is caused by women are making labour market decisions based on the fact that their jobs need to be more accommodating/flexible complement their male partners ‘greedy jobs’. In order to better the overall financial position of the family unit. So the men can’t be parents/can’t really complete normal life activities without a supporting partner but they need those high paying demanding jobs to bring the money in.

Greedy jobs are often seen as law, accountancy, finance- the corporate types that demand crazy hours and a lot of mental load.

I just wondered what we can do about is as she doesn’t offer any real suggestions.

Better access to wrap around childcare seems like an easy one as well as a needed culture change from the big corporates to allow people to take time off for children’s doctors appointments and sports games. But I’m not sure how I see that happening. What do you think?

In an ideal world I guess nobody would be working any more than 40hrs a week and we’d all have access to cheap, good quality childcare.

When I first started hearing about the general consensus that women are underpaid compared to their male counterparts, (sometime around 2015) I was quick to believe that it was a result of deeply-rooted, institutional biases by employers and business models.

Since then, on several occasions, I have deep-dived, to try and find my own sources of information and get a clearer picture of what exactly was happening and why.

Unfortunately, the more I read, the more I find that

A- The wage gap is nowhere near as large as the general twitter-sphere claims it is (as much as 18%) and in reality it appears to be closer to 2%.

B- Most of the reasons for this gap are explained by factors OTHER than gender, such as education, experience and industry.

So, I have arrived at the conclusion that essentially, people are making a mountain out of a molehill and any attempt I make to point out that the pay-gap is not as widespread and gigantic as social-media clickbait would lead you to believe, I am made to feel like an ignorant misogynist.

I really do want to have my view changed on this. I'm generally very progressive, and I want to be presented with information that will unlearn this viewpoint I have.

I find myself at odds with my girlfriend over it and I can't bring myself to just lie and say "You're right, women are overpaid everywhere because sexism, the end".

Help me out, Reddit.

For a few decades now, there has been a continuous debate on a factor of work; salaries, and why they're different. So, first off, I'd like to just say, that there is a gender pay gap, this is just factual. However, it is not what you'd assume it to be. In this post, I will try to show you what I realized, and how that might affect how you view the world.

So for the past few years, I've been auditing how I and other business owners pay those who work for me. And I'll say that whether it's men or women, they get the amount in salary. Because the payment systems are not based on names, they're based on a series of numbers and job classes. These inform us on how we pay workers and employees. As always, such systems, well...you're no even human, just a bunch of numbers in a set of other numbers. This means that the pay gap that's been touted by the others, is most definitely false.

So why did I say that a pay gap exists? Well here's why: My audit, involved actual worker value. Basically, I have taken to shadow managing and analyzing exactly what value the worker adds to the business' earnings. Well, I am going to uncomfortably admit that some are actually not paid what they deserve. A job class is an excuse to limit the definition of what you do, and thus ensures you cannot sue and win. Here's the thing though; the results I found were that men actually get paid less for actual work done.

See that's the reason most companies prefer to hire men is that they're, easily over used and underpaid without ever complaining. Perfect employees, to be honest. A good example is in marketing. Now you would assume that women are better at getting clients, right? You'd actually be very wrong. The metrics show that men are 40% better at pushing products that women are. That's because of how most people approach products. The so called, mansplaining, is actually a good thing for business. Over 80% of clients want the product explained to them like they're kids. Why? Because nobody likes to think too hard when spending. So men are more likely to push the product. The resulting earnings, is work done, and men do a lot of it. Yet, payment is exactly equal to the woman who lost her nerve, or failed to explain the product effectively to the client. So there's a 40% pay gap there.

Now before you go sharing this as a trump card. Remember, this is a sampling of 20 businesses. None of which are willing to be named, or have their data showcased. So I would advise those in research t

you hear feminists going on all the time about there being a gender pay gap -- its because men work harder and go into fields that are higher paid -- women take career breaks to have children.